OT: Carrollfreude?
Anyone else feel like this is karma for Pete Carroll? I can't help but still be bitter about the last couple of Rose Bowls we lost to him and he royally screwed the Trojans on the way out.
Most are calling the goal line play the worst call in the history of football, which might be hyperbole, but I can't say I feel bad for him.
Edit: Not Hyperbole. It was a horrendous call.
February 2nd, 2015 at 8:24 AM ^
Pretty much. Throwing a ball from the 1-yard line on a crossing route isn't the worst play in the world, and again, a couple of inches and it's a TD. But giving up 8 yards of cushion when you only need 7 yards for a TD was terrible, and you could tell it was a terrible call because everyone was screaming about the formation as soon as they broke it out.
This is a subjective argument so I'm not sure your drive to "convince" me I'm wrong. You think throwing a short pass instead of giving your RB a shot at a TD from the 1 yard line is the worse call, and I'm not going to argue with you that it wasn't a bad call. But people are acting like it was a terrible decision because of the result, not because of the playcall. Had it fallen incomplete, now Seattle has a choice between running the ball on two more plays (3rd and 4th) and still have a TO. You run there and he gets stopped, you have to throw the next two downs and that limits you. It was a dangerous throw and it was picked off, but it was also a great play by the Patriot DB. Your mileage may vary with this argument, but that's how I viewed it.
EDIT: I think the result of the play is so intertwinned that the argument of "terrible play" is hard to distinguish. It was an INT so it was a terrible result, but throwing a pass on 2nd-and-short near the goalline wasn't a terrible decision, and based on stills and videos of the play it probably would have worked had the throw been a bit better. My issue with the "worst playcall in history" argument, which I've seen here and other places, is that it is based on the result, not necessarily the play called.
February 2nd, 2015 at 9:59 AM ^
choosing to throw the ball into a box with 8 defesive bodies and sixteen arms. You should put down the shovel and start digging.
February 2nd, 2015 at 11:52 AM ^
It was a terrible decision because the Patriots are awful at stopping short yardage situations and the Seahawks have Marshawn Lynch.
Carroll admitted after the game they were "wasting" a play.
Basically, he's saying that call was designed to not win the Super Bowl, which makes it the worst possible call you could make considering you have the winning lottery ticket in your backfield. And yeah the result plays into it, but the playcall allowed the result to occur...and the playcall was entirely unnecessary given the personnel and situation.
You're doing that thing where you're just thinking about this in football theory as its drawn on a chalkboard and not about the actual context of the game and who was playing in it. Its the SpaceCoyote special.
February 2nd, 2015 at 10:48 AM ^
He wasn't surrounded by Patriots. Butler started to the outside; he just jumped the route at the perfect time. It isn't like a linebacker or defensive end tipped or picked the ball.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:20 PM ^
Yeah, lets talk shit about Carroll who dominated Michigan while at USC and dominated Harbaugh while at Seattle. Seriously, without Carroll Harbaugh is not at Michigan right not.
THANK YOU PETE CARROLL!!!
February 2nd, 2015 at 12:29 AM ^
didn't "dominate" Michigan. He won two games by only two touchdowns each time. That's a winning record but not exactly domination. And he didn't exactly dominate Harbaugh overall either. Harbaugh kicked his butt (2-1 record and a beatdown in the last game) while at Stanford even though he had major disadvantages. Then at SF, I believe Harbaugh only trails Caroll 5-4 overall after an initally leading 4-2. Obviously, the last couple games Harbaugh's SF was crippled by injuries, suspensions and incompetent/undermining management.
February 2nd, 2015 at 1:08 AM ^
The games weren't close and you know it. USC didn't even want to be in the Rose Bowl those years. Carroll's USC teams were light years ahead of Michigan. He's a great coach.
February 2nd, 2015 at 1:29 AM ^
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February 2nd, 2015 at 7:14 AM ^
February 2nd, 2015 at 9:52 AM ^
he wouldn't be the coach he is. The coach we're excited for. This makes no sense. At all.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:21 PM ^
February 1st, 2015 at 11:38 PM ^
You don't flip a coin on 2nd and 1 at the goal line with the SB on the line and Lynch in the backfield. The call maybe, maybe, could be excused if Pats are the one's driving. They weren't, it was the Hawks who have Lynch. If they were so intent on throwing and surprise they should do a fade or something that doesn't throw right into the teeth of a loaded up box.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:47 PM ^
What kind of maniac would complain about running Lynch there? It wasn't 4th down. There were ~30 seconds left. They had time outs.
February 2nd, 2015 at 1:28 AM ^
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February 1st, 2015 at 11:23 PM ^
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February 1st, 2015 at 11:25 PM ^
February 1st, 2015 at 11:27 PM ^
Wonder if that was in the back of his head. Dont do the obvious.
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February 1st, 2015 at 11:33 PM ^
4th and 1 in your opponents territory to ice a game late and 2nd and 1 at the goal needing a TD to win the game are not even remotely similar.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^
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February 1st, 2015 at 11:29 PM ^
February 1st, 2015 at 11:31 PM ^
Best running team in football? Check. Marshawn Lynch in the backfield? Check.
Run Lynch three times to get one yard. Not a single person on the planet can be upset that he isn't stopped. Conversely if he is stopped you tip your cap to the Pats and not a single person can be upset.
It was, without doubt or hyperbole, the worst call in the history of any sport. It's hard to understand and as a lifelong Seahawks fan who has watched some terrible football it might have been the most painful thing I've ever experienced.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:32 PM ^
So even if Lynch was stopped the Seahawks could have called a TO. But even if they wanted to throw it a fade would have made more sense. Safer pass. Why you throw the ball over the middle in such tight circumstances at that point I have no idea.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:34 PM ^
It was inexcusable. With the TO in the backpocket it makes it even worse.
February 2nd, 2015 at 12:31 AM ^
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February 2nd, 2015 at 12:33 AM ^
Shocking.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:34 PM ^
February 1st, 2015 at 11:41 PM ^
for a take out of left field ...
February 1st, 2015 at 11:43 PM ^
intercepting what appeared to be a sure TD pass against the Patriots' goal line rush defense. The play call is being questioned. I get that.
It was rock, paper, scissors time; the Seahawks decided to go scissors, thinking they'd have two more downs to go ROCK. But rookie Malcolm Brown wasn' t thinking about the incredible catch Kearse made against him two plays earlier, he was thinking about what he'd seen on film when the Seahawks lined up with stacked receivers, and he made the play of the game on the biggest stage.
What a great finish to a great game.
Can we get a UFR of Q4 for our former QB and now 3 time Superbowl MVP?
February 2nd, 2015 at 12:43 AM ^
But I think you have the RPS rules wrong.
- Lynch beats rock.
- Lynch beats paper.
- Lynch beats scissors.
February 2nd, 2015 at 10:25 AM ^
But Lynch has fumbled in the past, so it's
"Lynch *usually* beats paper".
February 1st, 2015 at 11:45 PM ^
February 2nd, 2015 at 12:28 AM ^
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February 2nd, 2015 at 1:24 AM ^
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February 2nd, 2015 at 11:03 AM ^
Pats fans are actually pretty cool in my experience but Red Sox and Celtic fans are insufferable.
February 2nd, 2015 at 8:23 AM ^
February 1st, 2015 at 11:46 PM ^
Carroll is the reason Harbaugh is at Michigan right now so...
February 1st, 2015 at 11:50 PM ^
Well, Carroll won 5 out of the last 6 so I'd say that has something to do with it.
February 2nd, 2015 at 12:01 AM ^
a guy who went to three straight NFC title games including a Super Bowl. Sometimes certain coaches have a streak against other coaches. Those can be ended.Tony Dungy was whipped by Belichick, but did the Colts fire him? Nope.
February 2nd, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^
February 2nd, 2015 at 1:38 AM ^
Jed York and Trent Baalke would have "consciously decoupled" from Jim Harbaugh even if he had won 5/6 vs. Pete Carroll. York only cares about profit margin, and Baalke wants to have the biggest unit in the Niners office.
February 2nd, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^
February 2nd, 2015 at 9:34 AM ^
do not understand the nature of Harbaugh. You can put your fingers in your ears, sing tra, la, la or simply repeat 5/6... like rainman 5/6 but having no clue about the world surrounding 5/6. Next, type "Wapner" over and over
February 1st, 2015 at 11:49 PM ^
February 1st, 2015 at 11:50 PM ^
While there have been some mind-boggling calls at critical moments in Super Bowls past, what the Seahawks did there really stands out to me as one of the more unreal "WTF" strategic gaffes in recent Super Bowl memory. As other have mentioned, if you were going to try anything in the air, you would have done better to go all Mike Leach and throw goal line fades, or do something more conventional and just run Lynch up the middle until a TD happened or someone died. The pass up the middle was just...wow.
February 1st, 2015 at 11:57 PM ^
As a counter, had the ball been 6-inches more inside Seattle scores there. It wasn't a great playcall by any means, especially with a TO in your pocket, but the Patriots DB made a tough play in traffic that could just as easily been a TD.
February 2nd, 2015 at 8:07 AM ^
Looked like if the pass was right at the receiver instead of out front, there's no way it gets intercepted. At that close of range, no need to lead very much.