OT: Brian Kelly says review is ruining the college game
Not that I am a Kelly fan, I hate the guy, but I think he has a point.
Kelly goes on a bit of a rant about how booth activated reviews are ruining the college game. So many plays that should not be reviewed are, then we are left wondering why a play isn't reviewed.
I don't even like the 'all-scoring plays' are reviewed...so many times Michigan scores a TD and you can't celebrate till the review is processed. Totally takes away the momentum for that scoring team.
I just think the college game should adopt the NFL version, only challenges come from the head coaches.
What do you guys think?
October 21st, 2022 at 1:23 PM ^
I agree basically anytime a review doesn't go the way I want it to, which is too often.
In those seemingly rarer instances where they do though, I completely disagree.
On a more serious note, it IS fucking annoying how much shit needs to be reviewed for several minutes at a time. There are drives where it seems like every other play needs a good 3-5 minute video review. Maybe officials need to stop sucking so hard.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:42 PM ^
That's the real problem with reviews: The amount of time it takes between the viewer at home seeing an obvious and conclusive replay and the official finally making the call, which as mentioned, often takes a good 3-5 minutes of downtime because the replay procedure is so asinine.
Just put an extra official up in the booth in charge of watching replays, let them make the call and then headset down to the ref. Should take take no more than 30 seconds in most cases.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:11 PM ^
I couldn’t agree with this more. I’m not a soccer fan, but casually watched a US/Great Britain women’s match a week or two ago. They had two or three reviews and none of them took longer than 60 seconds. I would bet the vast majority of reviews can be determined on one replay, yet the officials take 3-5 minutes to get it sorted out. The length of these reviews is infuriating.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:32 PM ^
In soccer they are only reviewing to see the acting is BAFTA worthy.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:34 PM ^
Agreed - why have the official run over to the sideline and look through a glorified iPad. Just hire one more guy to sit in the booth. Its not a judgment call, so not sure when the official on the field needs to be involved.
I would also cap the review time at 30 seconds. If you can't determine it by a review of the first two angles, its too close to overturn.
October 21st, 2022 at 3:31 PM ^
I'm not a fan of overturning an on-field review by someone in the booth, for a couple of reasons. First, as a guy who has made plenty of judgment errors, I find that I learn best if I can look at the conclusive evidence right away and correct my mistakes. If someone else overrules me without me seeing the proof, I tend to get pissy, double-down on my error, and might give a make-up call to re-assert what I thought was correct.
Further, I don't want the final say to be some nameless, faceless booth reviewer. While ref accountability isn't where I'd like it to be, the fact that PSU's fanbase got to know John O'Neill means we might be getting closer. A move toward anonymity is stepping in the wrong direction.
October 21st, 2022 at 6:27 PM ^
Just have the TV rules guy do it. He gets it right every time and is quick.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:40 PM ^
I agree that officials should stop sucking so hard.
But reviews are inevitable and constant, now that everyone can see every game, most of them from many angles. That means all of us can see what before were just legendary arguments with no resolution.
Of course the arguments continue, partly because humans aren't perfect even in looking at replays. Also because we enjoy arguing.
Wait till they put sensors in the footballs for forward progress.
October 21st, 2022 at 3:58 PM ^
What exactly are we saying when we say refs should stop sucking so hard?
October 23rd, 2022 at 4:05 PM ^
NTTAWWT
October 21st, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^
if you can't tell the call on the field is clearly wrong in 20 seconds of watching 2-3 angles in slow-mo, go with the call on the field.
October 21st, 2022 at 4:41 PM ^
The average review takes two minutes.
Next time there is a questionable call, grab a stop watch. See how long it takes you to:
- Verbally state the rules relevant to the play under review
- Draw a conclusion on the part of the play under review
- Reach a consensus with 2-3 other people in the room
- Rewatch the play again, and confirm the down, distance, and clock
- Communicate the outcome to the fans
Is 120 seconds really that bad?
October 21st, 2022 at 6:35 PM ^
Thank you for providing a cogent, logical rebuttal to BK's emotional hot take. Excellent points here.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:24 PM ^
Maybe he should Ted Lasso it up and switch to soccer, where you can score actual goals that don't count because review is the devil or some bullshit.
Bad calls hurt everyone. The organization screwing up reviews is not an indictment of the concept of reviewing plays.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:26 PM ^
College refs suck. Until they don’t, the current amount of review is necessary
October 21st, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^
But the same sucky officials are the ones doing the reviews. So what's the net benefit? In a lot of cases, it feels like they review calls that were coin flips on the field, then either overturn or confirm arbitrarily. Some plays are important and warrant review, but some are just a waste of time. See: the minutes they dragged out reviewing spots on PSU's meaningless last drive on Saturday.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:23 PM ^
How about the JJ run that was clearly a first down when he reached the ball across the line to gain, but was spotted short on the field and then upheld on review? What's the fucking point of review if they can't get it right with all the time in the world and every angle available to them? And don't even get me started on the strip sack fumble for TD last year against Sparty. Another glaring example.
October 21st, 2022 at 11:35 PM ^
Wasn't that ball marked short because it was fumbled back behind the marker?
October 21st, 2022 at 2:27 PM ^
The net benefit is painfully obvious if you go back and watch highlights from games before reviews were a thing.
October 21st, 2022 at 4:20 PM ^
Exactly. We lost a Rose Bowl to a Charles White phantom TD and a ND game to a Carlyle Holliday phantom TD.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:28 PM ^
Sorry, busy zoning out from the last 3-minute commercial break. What did you say again?
October 21st, 2022 at 1:29 PM ^
“Review is killing the college game. Trust me. I know a thing or two about killing.”
- Brian Kelly
October 21st, 2022 at 1:50 PM ^
Bro…come on
October 21st, 2022 at 1:57 PM ^
He took a leadership class from Craig James.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:35 PM ^
i heard a rumor about him once...
October 21st, 2022 at 1:31 PM ^
It has ruined a game. JT was short.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^
If you're trying to be a tempo team, you don't like rules that interfere with that (like that the defense gets to sub if the offense did). Review is not slogging down games anywhere close to tv commercial breaks.
I like that we get more things right more often.
As far as the list of things that are ruining (or could ruin) the game. There are a couple pretty glaring ones near the top. They have nothing to do with replay.
Coack Kelly himself is probably higher on the list than replay.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:33 PM ^
I don't think it ruins the momentum of the scoring team, only ruins the momentum of the celebration.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:35 PM ^
Pretty sure his Cajun accent has done for me damage
October 21st, 2022 at 1:38 PM ^
I dislike replay at all levels because the definition of indisputable evidence changes regularly including sometimes frantically and infinitely searching for said evidence, which suggests to me it’s not indisputable.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^
This so very true and valid. If you don't know it wrong from one review from each of two angles, then it stands. I tend to think if the play was good on the sandlot, then it shouldn't be changed by a review.
Also, about twice a season, and I don't watch a whole lot beyond Michigan games, I am absolutely flabbergasted that the replay official got it so very wrong.
October 21st, 2022 at 4:01 PM ^
This x 1,000,000. The sad part is that as fans, we've completely forgot about the reason we have replay in the first place and have been trained to think of it as trying to do something it isn't. The point of instant replay - the reason it was implemented - is to correct obvious errors. Did a ref miss the fact that a player put his entire foot out of bounds while running down the sidelines? Fix it. Is a receiver's toe incredibly close and potentially touching 3 blades of white grass on the sideline? Leave it alone. And here's the thing, prior to instant replay being adopted no one really cared about the second example. But now that we have Mike Pereira coming on and walking us through things frame by frame and explaining that "it appears the ball moves when the tip contacts the ground, so I have this as an incompletion" we see every close play as an opportunity for our team to gain an advantage and then when it doesn't go our way we get pissed.
October 22nd, 2022 at 2:15 AM ^
The more review that is available, the more officials will use it to do their jobs. How many times have refs made clearly horseshit calls on stuff that they know gets reviewed automatically?
I swear sometimes it seems like they don’t want make a call at all until they at least see it in the board at the game or they get a comment in their earpiece. The Indiana OP call was like that. There was a TD in the Thursday night NFL game where it was clearly a TD, called a short, then the replay in the stadium showed it was clearly a touchdown and the ref announced it was a ruled a touchdown. It’s no review at all, it’s just become a part of how officials call games.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^
It’s a tough place to be as a sports league. With the proliferation of cameras and advanced technology, errors by on field refs are easily sighted in retrospect. Thee errors often have material outcome on games. Should we just be okay with these game changing errors that everybody knows are errors? Feels unfair to the teams who work their butts off to compete. I also don’t buy the “refs suck” argument. Yes, there is a distribution of quality, like in everything, but reffing is f’ing hard. Just reffing my girls U7 soccer games is anxiety inducing. Having cameras everywhere to spotlight errors instantly, and then unhinged fan bases attacking you for every questionable call… imagine that in your work place. Best they can do is try to fix their errors quickly and allow the competing teams a fair opportunity at winning.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:40 PM ^
I think getting students killed in hydraulic lifts tipping over while filming practices is a bigger problem than replay. But that's just me.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^
It's annoying sometimes, but necessary when officials blow crucial calls. The commercial time outs are way worse for the flow of the game. Reviews don't really move the needle for me.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:42 PM ^
Review is not great but not using it seems worse to me than using it. I think there should be a limit - like literally 30 seconds - and if it's not obvious, stick with what you've got. I think the review conversations should be broadcast to give transparency. I think the Big Ten should professionalize their refs - we clearly have the money to improve the standard of officiating. And then I'd be fine with reviewing every scoring play, just do it fast dangit. I'm always on pins and needles after a TD waiting for the confirmation that there's no flags, and the TV timeouts kill momentum more than anything else. So yea, get the call right, but keep it moving along.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:40 PM ^
The only thing I don't like about reviewing every scoring play or turnover and the logic behind not applying that to potential scores that were ruled short or INTs that were ruled to hit the ground. You are checking for accuracy only if an official judged the play one way but not the other.
If a player dives for the goal line and fumbles, you only get an automatic review of the official decides he fumbled after he crossed the goal line, but if the same play happened but the official ruled the player lost the ball before the goal line, well I hope you have a challenge left
October 21st, 2022 at 5:39 PM ^
yea that's a very valid point
October 21st, 2022 at 1:43 PM ^
I think there needs to be a time limit of 30s or less per review. If it's indesputable that is enough time. Also a concurrent review for clock so they don't get the call right then spend just as much time figuring out the clock.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:45 PM ^
Is there the "clear and obvious" threshold to overrule call on the field? Or is it simply "we need to get the call right, down to the millimeter, call on the field be damned." Because if the former applies, then a review should only take a few seconds.
That said, I recently watched a recording of Bama Tennessee and the reviews were taking about 2-3 minutes, which tbf isn't that long, though it certainly seems so.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:48 PM ^
5 minute commercial breaks every 15 minutes make any argument about “pace” or “momentum” stupid. At least reviews can accomplish something useful.
The general concept of booth review is fine. But they need to put a short time limit on it and consider limiting the use of slow motion / frame by frame. The game is played at real time and if the play isn’t obvious at real time after half a dozen viewings, it’s ambiguous and the call on the field should just stand.
October 21st, 2022 at 2:25 PM ^
Yeah I think reviews are fine. Slap a 60 second or 2 minute timer on them and if you can't reach a conclusion at the end of the timer, the play stands. Easy enough
October 21st, 2022 at 1:48 PM ^
I'll never forget that strip sack to Thorne by Aiden in last year's game at MSU, which was a scoop-6. It was reofficiated and overturned. That whole game illustrated how bad the officiating and reviews were. KWIII juggled the ball as he ran into the end zone for MSU's first TD-don't leave that one out.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:52 PM ^
I'd be fine with no reviews in sport. At all.
However, if you are going to review it, if you can't make the call in 10 seconds the call on the field should stand. Enough Zapruder shit.
October 21st, 2022 at 1:52 PM ^
My question is - why can't they go to commercial breaks during the reviews?
October 21st, 2022 at 2:00 PM ^
I thought it was Kelly's halitosis, genital warts, syphilis and extreme case of crabs that was the potential cause of ruin for college football....who would have thought replay was worse?
The more you know...