Omaha World-Herald: All 14 B1G ADs supported playing fall football

Submitted by Communist Football on August 24th, 2020 at 10:01 AM

Sam McKewon of the Omaha World-Herald reports that all 14 B1G athletic directors were in favor of playing football this fall, but that they were not allowed to participate in the Zoom calls between Warren and the school presidents & chancellors that decided the final outcome. "Athletic directors weren’t in the same Zoom meetings as medical personnel, either. Seasoned athletic veterans like Moos, Wisconsin’s Barry Alvarez, Penn State’s Sandy Barbour and Ohio State’s Gene Smith were left out of key discussions that shaped the league’s decisions." In addition:

Warren was aware, for example, that every Big Ten athletic director was in favor of playing a fall football season. Moos said he, Ohio State’s, Penn State’s and Michigan’s A.D.s pushed hardest, but there was unanimous agreement, Moos said, in wanting to play.

“He knew where we were coming from, and he was the [designated] messenger [of the athletic directors] to the presidents and chancellors,” Moos said.

As easy as consistent Zoom meetings between all parties would have been — all it takes is a computer and a room without chaos — they didn’t happen...Why wouldn’t Warren have done such a basic thing in the first place? Moos didn’t speculate. 

This, says McKewon, has been a source of frustration for the ADs, who say Warren is "still learning" on the job.\

[ED/Seth: Fixed headline which was taking half of the sidebar]

 

RGard

August 24th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^

If the SEC, ACC and Big12 had cancelled (or postponed if you are an optimist) their seasons we wouldn't have near as much an after the fact news that all the ADs and coaches wanted to play.

Anybody coaching coaching B1G football is going to still have a job after this.

This is more about the SEC and Clemson getting an additional recruiting edge.

gruden

August 24th, 2020 at 3:34 PM ^

To me it reads as a face-saving piece for the B1G ADs basically saying "Hey, it wasn't our fault!"

Warren isn't my favorite person, but the fact is, the university presidents all voted to shutter the season.  The people ultimately in charge made their decision.

I'd be a lot more interested in an article with details on discussions between individual presidents and their ADs, especially at M.  It would be nice to hear Dr. Schlissel's thoughts on why he voted to cancel fall sports, but I'm not holding my breath. 

It would be nice to hear what the regents think as well, as there has to be some buy-in on the decision from them.

Hannibal.

August 24th, 2020 at 10:05 AM ^

The people who made this decision are public servants (or at least 13 out of 14 are) and this is possibly the biggest professional decision that they will ever make.  It has far reaching implications, for the people who play the game, as well as the local economies who rely on football.  This decision needs to be made transparent and I hope that whatever lawsuits come about will shed light on how this decision was made.  Multiple sources have either said that there was no vote or that it is unclear if there was a vote.

If there was a vote, then there must be meeting minutes or some sort of notes showing who voted "yay" or "nay".  If there was any thought put into this, let's see some proof.

This needs to be transparent.

ldevon1

August 24th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^

We love college sports, specifically college football, but in the grand scheme of things, what exactly do they have to inform the public of, once a decision has been reached? They said no fall sports, and for people to keep implying that Kevin Warren is somehow complicit blows my mind. The Presidents and the Chancellors hired him, so he basically works at their behest. 

I Like Burgers

August 24th, 2020 at 1:28 PM ^

Pretty sure most people here didn't actually read the article, because the whole thing paints Warren in a pretty bad light. 

The gist of it was that he had no connection at all to college sports prior to getting the commissioner job.  And in the process of determining wether they should play or not, he never actually bothered to connect all of the parties involved in making the decisions.  Everything was siloed.  He'd meet with the various ADs on one call and meet with the presidents on another call.  And never actually talked to any of the coaches.  And so when it came time to actually make the decision, ADs with decades of collective experience in the league like Alvarez, Gene Smith, and Sandy Barbour were all left out.

Coaches got to make their pitch to the ADs, the ADs to Warren, and then Warren -- a guy with no college experience whatsoever --  made that pitch to 14 university heads.  And that's why people are pissed.  A decision where close to a billion in revenue, and thousands of lives would be impacted was made by someone unconnected to college sports who couldn't do the most basic step of connecting all of the people involved.

Bluesince89

August 24th, 2020 at 2:01 PM ^

I don't get this complaint at all.  So he didn't have college experience - he has over 20 years of front office experience in sports.  I don't think he needs to have had college experience.  There really isn't anything unique about this that requires "college experience."  This isn't rocket science.  

I'm sure the ADs and coaches can get a line to their presidents if need be.  It seems like their complaints were we weren't in the room.  Okay - do we think Warren sandbagged them and said "All the ADs agree with canceling" instead of telling them the truth? No.   I'm sure the presidents know what arguments the ADs/coaches are going to make, and I'm sure at the end of the day, they didn't care and said we're listening to the lawyers and doctors.  I mean, all this Warren bashing is getting ridiculous.  From the article: 

But, as the days marched on, Moos understood the league’s interest — as determined by the Big Ten presidents and chancellors — had quickly waned in even attempting that schedule.

“As we got closer to the decision, I got less and less confident we were going to be playing,” Moos said.

There was a reason for that: Moos remained in consistent communication with his boss, UNL Chancellor Ronnie Green, who was in full support of the Big Ten playing a fall season but, more importantly, kept Moos informed of the opposite sentiment growing among other Big Ten leaders.

If the presidents and chancellors did not want to have a season, there was never going to be one.  Gene Smith or Barry Alvarez weren't going to change that.

 

Hardware Sushi

August 27th, 2020 at 8:16 AM ^

Jesus Christ this is stupid.

The Presidents made the decision out of safety. It was their decision to make and they gave the reason.

Employees have regular update meetings with their bosses. They even sometimes schedule meetings to talk about specific topics. But yes, there's no way an AD and President could have communicated other than a conference call with everyone on at the same time.

Alton

August 24th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^

These "process" arguments are all anybody on the let-them-play side has left, now that the decision has been made.

It's clear that a majority of Presidents supported the postponement of the season. It's clear that the decision is theirs and theirs alone. It's clear that the Presidents made the decision and had the Commissioner announce it. It's clear that the Presidents are happy to see the Commissioner take the heat instead of them (even though the Commissioner almost certainly would have voted to let them play if he had a vote).

So what's left to argue about?  Whether the flag in the Big Ten office has a gold fringe around it?  Not yet; it's still about who was invited to a Zoom call.

OfficerRabbit

August 24th, 2020 at 11:28 AM ^

Keeping the AD's off the phone with all the presidents is extremely suspect, as their input should have been heard by all 14 presidents before reaching that decision. Could the decision have been the same in the end, certainly, but at least all the presidents would have heard the economic, emotional, and mental damage that decision was going to have on the athletes, coaches, families, and the surrounding communities.

I've said this before.. Iowa cancelling four sports is just the start. All the AD's believed a season was feasible. The ACC, SEC, and B12 are moving forward with fall sports. Did the presidents really have an idea of the fallout from this decision, or did they just have Kevin Warren's narrative of what it would be? You know.. the guy who is still learning on the job. 

The B1G and Kevin Warren are literally the laughing stock of college sports right now, you can't reasonably gloss over this as "the decision has been made". At the very least... lessons need to be learned from this. 

blue in dc

August 24th, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^

If the Big Ten President’s went into a decisional meeting without the necessary information, that is on them and their AD, not on Kevin Warren, a guy who is basically a highly paid figurehead.   Kevin Warren is doing exactly what he gets paid to do, taking the heat for an uncomfortable decision that other people made.   

OfficerRabbit

August 24th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^

Wouldn't Warren's responsibility to the presidents be to ensure they have all pertinent information, especially if he is "speaking for" the AD's? 

This is the crux of the issue... we have no idea what message Kevin Warren gave the presidents on behalf of the AD's. The AD's don't know. The coaches and players don't know. Nonetheless, an 800M decision was made... and people still wonder why transparency is being demanded. 

I just don't get why people are so accepting of such a monumental, and detrimental, decision to cancel so early?

Mr Miggle

August 24th, 2020 at 6:11 PM ^

What's the pertinent information you refer to?

Each president could have a detailed understanding of what his AD and football coach thought if they wanted it. Obviously at least some did. There was nothing preventing the ADs from telling their presidents how the other ADs felt and why.

It was up to each AD to convince their boss to vote their way. It seems that most of them failed. Now we're looking for someone else to blame.

ADs aren't paid to make those decisions. They're advocates for their department. Make no mistake about who's in charge and it's not Warren either.

1VaBlue1

August 24th, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^

"...all the presidents would have heard the economic, emotional, and mental damage that decision was going to have on the athletes, coaches, families, and the surrounding communities."

Were you also complaining about the same decision when the presidents decided to go with on-line only classes?  What about the thoughts of research students, doctoral students, incoming freshmen, all of their families, and the surrounding community that makes a yearly income because students are in town?

The athletes, apparently, were treated like *students*!!  Gah!!!  Gasp!!!

OfficerRabbit

August 24th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^

Not at all... online only is the only reasonable course if you're going to cancel sports.. it's positively hypocritical to cancel sports and then decide to bring students back on campus. Pardon me if I'm not up on every B1G school, but many of them are still planning or have already brought students back.. hence the head-scratching at the decision to cancel. 

We're kind of arguing the same thing... I feel terrible for any students not getting the full college experience right now, athletes included. I just don't understand why they voted to cancel fall sports so early, while pushing ahead with students on campus (at most B1G institutions). 

azee2890

August 24th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^

Schools should be prioritizing SCHOOL first. Not Football. It is more important to preserve the ability for classes that require in person activities than to have a football season. That is how the priorities should be. Many of us are not surprised nor do we feel like the sky is falling down because there are more important things in the world that football. And have come to understand that this pandemic should be taken seriously, whether we like it or not. 

Schools will lose lots of money not having a football season. They will lose a lot more money if incoming freshman classes opt out of the year because everything is online.

los barcos

August 24th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^

Do you know how businesses operate?  The ADs report to the Presidents/Chancellors.  There is no need for an AD, much less all of them, to be in the meeting with the Presidents. 

I am sure the President's know where their ADs stood on the issue - but once again, it's the President's decision and they're going to listen to a lot more people than just the AD. 

SWFLWolverine

August 24th, 2020 at 12:14 PM ^

Football essentially pays for the non-revenue sports. Department budgets may necessitate many other sports to be cancelled, so yeah, Iowa is probably just the beginning. What happens to the lucrative TV contracts? Surely Fox isn't going to pay for games that aren't being played and they hold a 51% stake in the BIG Network in addition to other contracts for football.

jwfsouthpaw

August 24th, 2020 at 12:14 PM ^

Keeping the ADs off the phone with all the presidents is exactly how the process should work.  The presidents are the decision-makers, and it is incumbent on them to gather the information and gather input from their respective ADs that is needed to make the decision before the decision gets made.

What you're proposing would be an absolute shitshow--14 self-interested ADs arguing with 14 university presidents on a phone call?

This is the real world.  Unless you're at the top of the totem pole there are times when you get to provide input to your superior and have to live with the decision your superior makes with the other people in charge.

OfficerRabbit

August 24th, 2020 at 12:57 PM ^

I work in the corporate world... I know all about chain of command (facepalm). Not arguing your point, but I, and many others, are questioning exactly what "input" was offered to those presidents.. especially when the AD's were excluded from offering their input. 

Given the blow back from AD's, coaches, and players, let alone the media scrutiny and national mocking of the B1G in general, I think that's a fair question to ask. Warren has admitted he could have handled it better, and that he has learned from this... is it unfair to question how he handled meetings with the B1G presidents on those calls? 

Commissioner of the B1G is not a "learn on the job" type of role... and I think it's readily apparent he wasn't ready for this role. Guy should have started in the MAC, or some other lower profile conference.

jwfsouthpaw

August 24th, 2020 at 1:50 PM ^

But that's not really the same as suggesting that the ADs should all be on the call with the presidents and commissioner, right?  At the end of the day, it seems pretty darn obvious that:

  1. The ADs wanted to play, because of course they did and still do.
  2. The ADs communicated this desire to their respective presidents. I'm sure they argued for player safety, jobs, economics, etc.  If they didn't, that's on them.
  3. The presidents made a decision.

The comments from the ADs are the least surprising thing in all of this. They are trying to placate players and fans and have absolutely nothing to lose by letting everyone know that they support the athletes' desire to play and think they can keep the athletes safe in the process.

My two cents, I guess.

Hannibal.

August 24th, 2020 at 10:28 AM ^

Let's see what kind of decision it was.  A well thought-out decision that intelligently weighed the risks and benefits, a panic response by the university Presidents, or a dictatorial decision made by one man (in which case he lied about there being a vote)?  

They owe us an answer.  

crg

August 24th, 2020 at 10:38 AM ^

They don't owe us anything directly.  Even for the ones that are public employees, they have their superiors as well: the board of regents/trustees (or equivalent).  Those are the ones with the ultimate authority and accountability to the public.

bronxblue

August 24th, 2020 at 10:43 AM ^

I've said this elsewhere but *gestures at the country*, do you really think this was a decision made without proper reasoning and context?  I know people are angry that they won't likely get college football this year, but FFS looking to blame a couple of administrators and not large swaths of this country and it's administrations up and down the federal/state/local levels is insane to me.  Warren isn't not the reason 1200+ people are dying a week due to a disease that is under control in virtually every other developed country.

username03

August 24th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^

"do you really think this was a decision made without proper reasoning and context"

Yes, there doesn't seem to be any other kind when it comes to Corona. Exclusively political with the only difference being what team is making said decision.

"under control in virtually every other developed country"

Not true, just like here when things open up there are spikes.

 

bronxblue

August 24th, 2020 at 11:43 AM ^

So your second blurb invalidates your first, unless you think re-opening spikes are political.  But yes, on the national level there is a political aspect to any decision; that's inevitable.  But save me the tired argument that the reason people are worried about this virus spreading in schools is because "Orange Man Bad". 

As for my claim about cases being handled, here are a smattering of other countries compared to the US in terms of daily case count and deaths.

So yeah, going to stick to my earlier argument that other countries have a much better handle on it than the US.  And so when they do re-open those spikes are more easily handled because, again, they've got the virus far more under control.

 

username03

August 24th, 2020 at 12:12 PM ^

I don't even really understand your first paragraph. I don't think re-opening spikes are political, I think they're inevitable. I'm saying there are no reasoned, rational takes on this virus anywhere. Everybody (well not really everybody some people are essential but there is no rhyme or reason to how essential is defined eg. schools aren't but Home Depot is and if you want to protest that's fine too but only about approved issues) stay home until there is a vaccine (which is not going to be very effective and not everyone is going to take it) is 100% political as well, as it's not actually a plan but a sound bite. I don't care one way or another about the orange man, he's a raging moron. Saying that over and over again doesn't control the virus. If he's an idiot with a bad plan, objectively true in my opinion, then come up with a better one. 

"So yeah, going to stick to my earlier argument that other countries have a much better handle on it than the US."

You've moved the goalposts, you said under control. I wouldn't disagree with better handle.

username03

August 24th, 2020 at 3:14 PM ^

This makes me feel like you're not having a good faith discussion. You ignored the majority of what I said to pretend there is no difference between the majority of countries have this under control and the majority of countries are handling this better than the US, who by the way is doing a horrible job. Under control and better than horrible are not even close to the same thing.

bronxblue

August 24th, 2020 at 4:46 PM ^

I feel the same way, considering your entire argument boiled down to a semantic difference between control and handle.  Your argument appears to be that other countries do still have to deal with COVID-19 flare-ups so they are, by definition, not "in control" of a disease.  Which is fine if your point is we all are on a continuum in terms of "controlling" COVID-19 and one end is the US and on basically the other end are other most first-world countries, and so because they haven't eradicated the disease from their shores there's still a chance it could rise back up to worse levels.  If you have a larger point than that please share it; you haven't really thus far.

If it is essential to you that I amend my statement from "control" to "significantly better handle to such a degree that it's highly unlikely, nay impossible, we'll see similar outbreaks to what happened initially and certainly not to the sustained degree we've seen in the US", then have at it.

michgoblue

August 24th, 2020 at 10:59 AM ^

Lets talk about "under control in virtually every other developed country."

First, most of the reason that those other countries that got hit with covid are now under control is timing.  Those countries that got hit first came out of it first.  Just like in the US, the states that got hit first came out of it first. 

Let's look at Europe: Just like us, they got hit, saw a serious spike in cases, and then a slow and gradual decline.  New York got hit shortly after and, just like Europe, saw a spike followed by a gradual decline.  Now let's look at Arizona (which is not exactly big on the lockdown measures, as many have critically pointed out).  They got hit much late than NY.  But, just like Europe and NY, they saw a spike in cases followed by a slow and gradual decline.  If you need more evidence of this, see Florida and now even Georgia.  

The problem with people who like to say that the US doesn't have this under control is that you are looking at the US as a single sample.  It is not. The US is made up of 50 sovereign states, each of which has a certain degree of authority to self-regulate.  Let's say that the fed government even had the authority to impose a national one-month lockdown back in March.  Would that have helped?  Most of the states locked down at that time on their own.  But, more importantly, we couldn't do that forever.  And, as we have seen, as states started to come out of the lockdown, the virus is there waiting to spike in locations that didn't experience a spike pre-lockdown.  Best example:  Hawaii.  Literally, a self-contained set of islands.  They locked down more than any state, even prohibiting visitors from the mainland.  Obviously, that is not sustainable forever.  And once they eased the lockdown even a bit, they saw the sharpest spike of any state.  

So, I guess my question is what could the government have done differently?  Not rhetoric and speeches, but what actual decisions could they have made that you believe would have controlled this better?  Keep in mind that the science is still not there for a rapid test and that this is a NOVEL virus.  I will certainly concede that we could have done a better job of distributing PPE to front-line workers, and that the messaging on masks could have been a ton better.  But what else?

Finally, as to other countries having this under control, Germany, UK, France and Italy are currently experiencing significant upticks in infection.