Mustapha Muhammad accused of sexual assault
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https://www.michigandaily.com/section/news/four-women-allege-sexual-mis…
September 8th, 2020 at 5:03 PM ^
Yikes
September 8th, 2020 at 5:11 PM ^
Sounds bad, glad he's gone.
If any type of "cover up" took place, remove those involved. Simple
September 8th, 2020 at 5:14 PM ^
Never trust a guy in a fez.
September 8th, 2020 at 10:29 PM ^
Unless it’s the 11th Doctor
September 9th, 2020 at 7:19 AM ^
Fezes are cool
September 9th, 2020 at 8:56 AM ^
I wish I could upvote this more than once
September 9th, 2020 at 12:01 AM ^
That goes double for Shriners
September 10th, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^
My favorite part of parades growing up was watching grown men in fezzes zipping around on their little go-karts like they were hopped up on crank. At one time #17 on Marvin's "bucket list" was to become a full-grown man, join the Shriners, get hopped up on crank, and then zip around on a go-cart while wearing a fez during a Fourth of July parade in a small town in the Midwest. I still think it might be fun to do, but not as much as I used to.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:16 PM ^
Wow, that guy has serious problems. The timing of his departure is more than a coincidence, I would bet, but I am certainly glad he's not on campus any longer.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:22 PM ^
Why didn't the team sign the pledge? Seems harmless enough. I'm no expert in human psychology, but you'd think a refusal to sign would reinforce thinking by some of the players that engaging in that kind of behavior may involve gray areas.
September 8th, 2020 at 8:21 PM ^
Yeah, that struck me as weird, though again I'd have to see what the pledge said. I know sometimes people won't sign things because they feel it could be used against them in some unintended situation (the callous, cynical view would be that sexual assaults will still occur even having signed the pledge and the lawsuits that follow might reference it as a way to negatively reflect upon the school and coaches), but you'd think a team would want to look like it stood against sexual assault.
September 9th, 2020 at 1:56 AM ^
I wouldnt sign anything i dont need to sign. If im a good person i wouldnt be doing those things anyway, some pledge doesnt do anything for me or anyone else.
All it does it provide cover for the university at some later date to say "LOOK we did all we could, the kids even signed a PLEDGE".
And refusal isnt proof of anything, it just means the kids see through what this is, pointless theater designed to protect the administration.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:22 PM ^
Since when do football players live in Alice Lloyd?
September 8th, 2020 at 5:25 PM ^
That was the most important detail in the story for me, too...
September 8th, 2020 at 6:22 PM ^
Stockwell and Alice Lloyd are the only on-campus housing sites available during the summer, which is the time period cited in the allegation.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:27 PM ^
Minor detail of note in a serious story:
“He was referred to us by another 4 year school that had recruited him and they didn’t have enough scholarship money for him to attend their institution.”
Anyone else find that remark odd? As in, odd for Houston to recruit him and then say "Whoops!" unless that was their plan along (stash him in the minor leagues for a year and see how he does). Maybe not so odd .....
September 9th, 2020 at 2:11 PM ^
Additional detail:
The Daily "respected" Jane's anonymity but immediately wrote "Jane first met Muhammad during the summer term. She lived near him in Alice Lloyd Residence Hall — her room was across the hall from Walker’s.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:27 PM ^
Sounds like a scumbag (obligatory) if true.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:28 PM ^
He certainly had his parents and a lot of others fooled.
We are often sought out by coaches, teachers, and even parents of his friends with a common message- our son is very respectful, articulate, pleasant, and a joy to be around. He is one of the most popular boys in his senior class, and was even chosen as 'Most Likely to be A Professional Athlete'. We have raised him to have high aspirations, and we believe he has what it takes to be a success on and off the field. He has never been afraid to think outside the box and follow his own path. His name 'Mustapha' actually means "The Chosen One, or The Selected" and he truly is a reflection of that.
September 9th, 2020 at 9:10 AM ^
Linking.....so easy a caveman can do it.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:33 PM ^
Not good... not fucking good at all.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:44 PM ^
It’s just remarkable to me that men think they can get away with crap like this. You have to be so mentally fucked up to behave like this without regard to woman or other people.
The psychological pressure for victims to just keep quiet is hard for me to fully comprehend. What an awful experience that must be.
September 8th, 2020 at 8:55 PM ^
The unfortunate reality is that men do get away with it all of the time.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:38 PM ^
Especially college football players. I lived in Tallahassee for 27 years. FSU, FSUPD, TPD, Leon County Sheriff’s Office, and state attorney Willie Meggs seemed to have a policy of making these accusations go away. It was routine.
September 9th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^
How many campuses did police let that stuff go on, head coaches, athletic departments? Today is supposed to be a different day but in the last decade we had accusations across the country largely go unnoticed, including at UM. We as fans know, but the general public isn't digging into accusations in the local paper. Most see it and think another athlete gets away with it..
September 8th, 2020 at 5:50 PM ^
I don't know man, but I'll be that guy. The first girl said they were kissing (with consent) and then he tried to take it up a notch, and she said no. Not sure how much time elapsed or exactly when she said no, but there are always 2 sides and the truth somewhere in there. The 2nd girl was in his room, he didn't try to restrain her and when she got to her breaking point of comfort, she left. I'm not saying he was right or she was wrong, but man the level to which you can be brought up on charges is kinda scary. Once you are accused, you can't put that Genie back in the bottle. Neg me, call me a douche bag, but all sexual assaults aren't equal.
September 8th, 2020 at 6:13 PM ^
Your retelling of the 1st encounter and the victim's is very different. And its not just 1 claim but 4. hard to give benefit of the doubt in that scenario.
8.3.0September 8th, 2020 at 9:47 PM ^
Hey, it's another guy with that weird numbers thing happening at the bottom of his posts. There are dozens of us!
8.3.0September 9th, 2020 at 10:40 PM ^
False or inaccurate accusations are a very real thing. What’s rare is multiple false accusations that would require a coordinated conspiracy.
September 8th, 2020 at 6:42 PM ^
Sounds like he kept pushing after being told “no” many times. The only appropriate response to that is to back off and break contact or to talk with the woman, respectfully, about her concerns and boundaries. I just can’t fathom continuing to try sexual contact after the woman is clearly telling you she doesn’t want to.
September 8th, 2020 at 7:18 PM ^
Remember this is her story. She wasn't restrained or hurt or injured or even intimidated to stay. They were both free to leave, by their own statements. I'm not excusing his behavior, but I tell my daughters to remove themselves from situations once no doesn't seem to be respected. That didn't seem to be the case. I'm not victim blaming, but at some point you have to just say enough and leave. Remember they were kissing and we all know about teenage hormones. I'm just not gonna convict the kid without hearing his side of the story. I don't know about the other cases, because they weren't recounted or explained, but all girls don't tell the truth.
September 8th, 2020 at 11:52 PM ^
"...but all girls don't tell the truth."
Shouldn't that read "NOT all girls tell the truth?"
September 9th, 2020 at 10:43 AM ^
While I agree on this comment:
"I'm just not gonna convict the kid without hearing his side of the story."
You can't make these comments:
"Remember this is her story. She wasn't restrained or hurt or injured or even intimidated to stay. They were both free to leave, by their own statements. I'm not excusing his behavior, but I tell my daughters to remove themselves from situations once no doesn't seem to be respected. That didn't seem to be the case."
And then make this comment:
"I'm not victim blaming, but at some point you have to just say enough and leave."
Grade A victim blaming. Had you just made the first comment, you would not have been victim blaming. The problem is you buried it after a bunch of victim blaming. Women have been sexually assaulted for centuries, and are in a situation in most cases where they can be overpowered. So "just say enough and leave" is easy for a man to say. And the fear of reporting these instances for women goes back to the beginning of this post, football player was the culprit, people will blame me. You literally contributed to the problem.
September 8th, 2020 at 8:28 PM ^
These are four different women who claimed he made actions toward them that made them uncomfortable and at least two that were explicitly sexual in nature (and two others were formally made, which is a pretty significant step for someone to take). Also, you are playing a bit fast-and-loose with timing if you think this all happened instantly.
“He got on top of me and got really aggressive,” Walker said. “ … And I said no many times. ‘No, no, no, stop. No, no.’ And he would not stop.”
Walker remembers Muhammad bringing up his status as a football player in response to her repeatedly saying “no.”
“Really, you don’t want to do it with a U of M football player?” she recalls him saying.
Also, the second woman claimed he grabbed her hand and put it on his penis. And remember, he's 6'4", 245lbs. I'm not going to give a guy that big too much credit for not restraining a woman after touching her repeatedly when she made it clear she didn't like it and then forcing her to touch his dick.
Also, you don't "have to be that guy" in situations like this. I am not a blind advocate for immediately assuming every accusation is 100% true, but these are single, isolated incidents over a year.
September 9th, 2020 at 12:11 AM ^
+1 for having the balls, and also for agreeing to a degree. I see what you are trying to point out, that without actually being there and seeing it happen, it’s hard to determine if this was gross behavior or if he was just being overly aggressive (not condoning one over the other).
I have to admit, since all of these different assault allegations come up more and more, situations as you have described here, or especially in the case of Jane where he was touching, maybe trying to feel her out with how comfortable she was, freak me out. I’m glad I’m married, because I used to think I had game and was able to move things along with girls a lot, and, though I don’t ever recall being aggressive to the point I upset anyone, this fucks with my head enough to make me curious if anyone would ever have been able to say something like this about me.
September 9th, 2020 at 5:12 AM ^
Man, those are my thoughts, exactly. The threshold is just crazy. I wouldn't want to be out their dating either.
September 9th, 2020 at 8:56 AM ^
Jumping in. Today the orientations tell everyone "even if you think you were assaulted, report it".
But this does come across as a dude serially aggressive pressing women into sexual activity pushing as far as he believes he can go before being accused of rape. The "don't you want to with a football player" comes across as an intimidation tactic. One, informing her who he is status wise but also tells her she will have to deal with the university in filing a report against an athlete. Which idk the athletic departments reputation on campus for dealing with these matters. But as the article states many women were saying to her to keep their experiences confidential. Because when they do report, they too have to face the reviews of the university.
Basically, get this dude off campus and hope everything he had ever done was just trying to intimidate and coerce into sex and nothing worse happened. Not saying and hope it doesn't but he seems like a ticking time bomb to full out rape and assault when the wrong rejection comes.
September 8th, 2020 at 5:59 PM ^
Sorry, this makes my stomach turn. If all true, he needs help before he finds himself behind bars as this pattern will unfortunately repeat itself. Also hoping the young women involved have been able to move on and would be nice for them to get justice.
September 9th, 2020 at 9:20 AM ^
Agree, he's a time bomb to rape on the wrong rejection... Thus far it seems he has pushed as far as he absolutely can without rape, that we know of. He seriously needs help.
September 8th, 2020 at 7:41 PM ^
Go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
(if convicted, of course)
September 8th, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^
Everyone deserves their day in court, and he does as well. He’ll get the chance to prove innocence.
But if it’s true, he deserves whatever comes his way.
September 8th, 2020 at 8:08 PM ^
Played in 2 games for us last year several months after the school was informed of the assault accusations...
September 8th, 2020 at 8:18 PM ^
If true, not a good look. Brendon Gibbons 2.0.
September 9th, 2020 at 12:14 AM ^
Oh boy...username checks out, or something along those lines
September 9th, 2020 at 9:50 AM ^
could be the initial allegations didn't have merit to suspend. Maybe aggressive behavior but no assault. Who knows at this point.
September 8th, 2020 at 9:26 PM ^
"For men’s teams, the pledge includes a commitment not to engage in “harmful behavior such as rape, sexual assault, physical violence, domestic/dating violence, stalking, bullying, hazing and taking or sharing photos and videos of a sexually explicit/violent nature,” with a penalty of dismissal from the team.
The Michigan football team did not sign Tracy’s pledge at the end of her visit.
The Michigan football team invited Tracy back to speak in 2019, but still has not signed her pledge."
So, just to recap:
Michigan football players have on two occasions refused to sign a pledge that they'll not engage in rape, sexual assault, physical violence, stalking, bullying, or sharing images/videos of a sexually explicit or violent nature.
Maybe there's more to this than the article explores, but I'd like to hear Jim Harbaugh and Warde Manuel speak about that refusal.
September 9th, 2020 at 12:18 AM ^
Aside from the main point of the article, I found this interesting as well. Especially as you would think Harbaugh, of all coaches, would be most likely to push for the signatures of his team. As mentioned above, I would have to/like to see the document to get a better idea, and maybe the grey area of sharing photos is a problem? Like, legally, could you send a buddy a nude of one of the BIG Ten calendar girls? Sending the video of violence; could snaps of someone messing around, or perhaps getting pics or videos of the sorority mud bowl fall under this? I can maybe see why it would be concerning to sign if some of this stuff were the case
September 9th, 2020 at 4:46 AM ^
NCAA should make sexual relationships illegal for all athletes without a marriage contract before any athletic scholarship is valid.
September 9th, 2020 at 4:59 AM ^
You want we should Munson them?