MSU Clemons granted a sixth year
Good news for them. Not sure how key a contributor he would've been, but they probably need all the help they can get this year
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/16405672/michigan-state-…
But you're essentially right. I remember two games into 2013 when MSU's defense had outscored their offense to that point and meanwhile Devin Gardner looked like a god and Michigan looked unstoppable.
We got our asses handed to us that year and they went on to win the Rose Bowl. That one hurt.
I'm with you, I'm not talking any shit until the game's over and done with.
With as many players as MSU lost, along with their all time QB, I just dont see them winning another division title, thus it is a step back.
That said, they probably wont be far off the mark. I am thinking 8-4 with a range of 1 game either way. Dantonio stock piles his guys, and plays upperclassmen. Combined with the fact he can coach, despite being a douche, I dont see SOS coming back into play until such time he leaves the program.
Which is fine AFAIAC. Jim nearly took him out with a team that he had only been coaching a short time. This is just getting started.
Things everyone said before the msu game this past year for 500 alex.
I'll believe we beat a good team on the road by a lot when it actually happens. We had a good year last year, we still lost to Utah on the road, almost lost to minnesota on the road, almost lost to indiana on the road etc. Even with a step back MSU will be better than all three of those teams. Lets scale down the domination train just a tad.
Given that you're a miserable troll, you'll just call every team we clobber on the road a "bad team" regardless of reality and continue to whine.
Why are you even here?
Glad he will get the opportunity to taste defeat against us.
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Thank you. I had no idea who he was. By the way they celebrate things like this, or a RB being given a second chance again, I would have thought him to be an integral part of their success, as successful as they have been.
By the way, as I hear from them they totally kicked Harbaugh's ass up and down the field. If I forgot what actually happened (and I have tried) I would have thought the score was 55-0.
Good for them though. I guess.
They had more yards than us and stopped our offense from scoring three times when we started on their half of the field. They were a bad special teams game away from actually dominating that game (obviously special teams still counts, I think we all know that one too well from that game)
If you read this blog you would think that somehow that terrible play somehow gave MSU all of its points and we dominated a game we were up by 2 in.
also got back into the game on a botched coverage against their fullback. blown coverage possibly by our back up LB who was playing because of the worst targeting ejection call in the history of football.
but for that play, the blocked punt fiasco doesn't matter and likely doesn't even occur.
sparty won because of two fluke plays and a bunch of bad calls. harbaugh held back the offense since we were up double digits for much of the game. rudock wasn't proven yet, so that was the right decision.
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Cancel the season. We already lost.
I can't wait to see MSU fans start to leave early after a vicious beatdown in East Lansing. It will be glorious!
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So....Clemons wasn't really hurt in 2011. Here's an article from the bowl practice that season where Narduzzi is talking about the true freshmen they're redshirting:
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2011/12/michigan_states_footbal…
Narduzzi confirmed much of the year’s practice buzz earlier this week when he talked up the true freshman who have wowed in practice. All the players he mentioned, except true freshman linebacker and special teams contributor Taiwan Jones, have been redshirted and will have four years of eligibility remaining.
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"And then on the defensive line, Damon Knox, every one of them, James Kittredge, Brandon Clemons.
Shilique Calhoun, he gets in the other day against the one offense, and he’s in two plays, he gets a sack. He’s going to be a great player for us. So we’ve got a lot of guys here that have showed up, and they show up every day on the scout team. Our offense tells us about it. So we don’t need a bowl practice to find out if those guys are players are not."
Dantonio also brought up Clemens in late January as a guy competing on DL, again with no hint of an injury that would have held him out that season: http://alumni.msu.edu/newsarticle.cfm?id=431
However there's a mention in a 2012 rivals article that Clemons played against CMU in 2011 "but retained his redshirt." That means they came up with an injury that year, which is a common enough practice. The NCAA let themselves be made rubes in using that as a basis for a 6th year, but at least they're going with a precedent. It also means MSU was prepared back in 2011 to present a medical case for Clemons being unable to compete as a true freshman. So it wouldn't require fabricating new records long after the fact like it would for Davis.
That means this ruling doesn't signal Ed Davis will get his 6th year, but it suggests how MSU is going to try: ironically to get the 6th year of eligibility they have to show he PLAYED in 2011 The problem is there is no evidence Davis played a snap in 2011, and since Davis was just normal-redshirting they would have had to have had some major foresight to fabricate medical documentation.
If they did, it suggests they were doing that for a lot of players, which is not only a MAJOR major violation, but the conspiratorial nature would up it to nuclear levels. I twittered today with a D2 compliance guy who writes on compliance issues and the gist of that conversation was that MSU's liability if caught making up injuries and presenting them in a 6th year case is "huge." The ol' play him them shelf him gambit is common, but getting caught would be more than a Tressel-level offense.
This whole thing is still very weird but unless Davis is actually cleared for a 6th year in fall it seems it's still just the usual weird.
Unless I misunderstood your post it sounds to me like MSU would be better off if Davis didn't get cleared.
If they fabricated medical docs and it seems like that would be the only way he'd get a 6th year, that's huge. That also sounds illegal.
I think they're counting on the fact that a lot of schools (yes including Michigan) do it to get 5th years on freshmen who played a few snaps early in the year. Until Brian Cole left the program Michigan was going to get one of those fake injury medicals on him if you want a recent example. Gardner is the classic example because yeah right back injury uh huh.
However I don't think anyone's tried this gambit with the NCAA before. Getting a 5th year is an informal process of having the conference approve it, and the conferences generally want to keep the players eligible. But submitting falsified documentation to the NCAA is a big gamble since you don't know how used they are to looking sideways at such transgressions. And it's a committee that doesn't necessarily want you to have those players.
It's the difference between telling your local police officer that you were going the speed limit when you got in your accident versus telling the FBI you were going the speed limit when you damaged a military vehicle. Both are crimes but your local cop is likely used to letting drivers off, but who knows how the Feds will react if they find out you're lying.
There is definitely a huge difference between the magic injury getting the 5th year, and using it to get a 6th year. Or at least, you would think there would be. I mean, there's loads of evidence from MSU's own site that Davis wasn't hurt that first year, what with his "scout team player of the week" honors in there. I don't know how they walk that back, unless the NCAA just doesn't give a shit, and being that 6th years are pretty rarely granted, the NCAA probably does give a shit.
I think they're less worried about the 5th year ones because you're not having a guy a year beyond what you could have anyway.
I find that to be a good analogy and helps explain your earlier point. Thanks. To be honest I don't think I heard of 6th years before this. I'm sure it isn't new. I probably just never paid as much attention to it until now.
THEY ARE SO STUPID OVER THERE IN EAST LANSING!
Sounds like he should be closer to collecting social security than playing college football.
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MSU may want to take this off his bio:
2011 SEASON: Redshirted . . . named Scout Team Defensive Player of the Week vs. Minnesota . . . selected Scout Team Special Teams Player of the Week vs. Central Michigan.
Minnesota was their ninth game.
GET EM!
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Clemons played in every game at Michigan State during the past two seasons as part of the team's eight-man offensive line rotation. Clemons did not play during his first two years on campus due to injuries, which made him eligible for a sixth season.
I don't know if that puts Clemons in the running for this year's Robbie Hummel Collegiate Endurance Cup, but I think we can begin to at least have the discussion in this case. Ed Davis might have the better argument when it comes to injury / graduation / waiver timing.
I think that summary is overselling his contribution over the last two years. Junior year he played almost entirely in short yardage/goalline situations. Last year, despite the injury woes they had, he only saw real snaps (more than 15) in 6 games, with a high of 36 snaps.
It no doubt his helpful for their depth chart to have him back, but I don't think it is all that meaningful in terms of a quality offensive lineman.
as in a game that MSU hates to lose and Michigan must win. More or less a blood letting. I can't wait to see the D-line play against their O-line. We pretty much held them in check the entire game last year when they had their All American O-line. I do expect some drop off from MSU O-line from last year, I am sure you would say that (about Michigan) if the roles were reversed. I can't say that about Michigan, this D-line is missing Henry but the rest of them are a year older and a year hungrier fighting for playing time. I am opinionated and I also believe Savage is very apprapos. GO BLUE!
Hmmm.... I believe their OLine was pretty battered for that game. Conklin was back but not 100%, Finley was done for the year, and either Keiler, Jack Allen, or both were out as well.