Mgodiscgolfer

June 22nd, 2016 at 7:53 AM ^

I agree with Clemons getting the foul taste of defeat in his mouth. By the end of this coming season he will wish the NCAA declined his 6th year. Same goes double for Davis especially with a healthy Scott that kid is a tuff out.

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Yard Dog

June 22nd, 2016 at 8:22 AM ^

so Clemons being back at least gives them a guy with experience.  Clark, Allen and especially Conklin were very good until Alabama got to them.  I see State struggling to run the ball at all with what they have back on the O line.  Glasgow, Wormley, Hurst and Co. should keep the running game bottled up, and the MSU passing game will be a shadow of it's former self.  I see 2016 being a lot like 2013 for MSU - good defense (McDowell and the LBs are solid), and a poor performing offense leading to a lot of tight losses.  The game vs UM will not be a tight loss, I expect a 10+ point margin of victory for the Wolverines.

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Space Coyote

June 22nd, 2016 at 8:58 AM ^

At worst, he is their 6th OL (MSU typically rotates 7 or 8 OL every game). He was their 7th guy last year and played quite a bit. If I had to guess, he starts at RG.

This also really helps cover their depth. Finley is coming back from injury, and at worst they can slide Keiler over to LT and Muchado in at RT and still have what amounts to a starting OL. Clemons could also potentially play DT for MSU, where they currently have depth issues, but it's a bit like what Michigan plans for Onwenu: move him to DL to cover DL depth issues and then OL has depth issues.

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Seth

June 22nd, 2016 at 10:53 AM ^

They're very different. A 5th year you just have to convince your conference that he was hurt one year. But a 6th year requires you to submit a formal case to the NCAA and have a special committee review your case to waive their 5 years to play 4 rule. That case has to show the player was too injured to play both seasons, and the rules specifically say a redshirt year cannot count, and use the example of a player performing on the scout team for when a player is not eligible.

Clemons got a 5th year the same way Gardner did--he played then they made up an injury. The way they got a 6th year was by submitting contemporaneous medical reports claiming Clemons was too hurt to play for all of 2011, and they had those because they had already pulled a Devin Gardner to get him eligible LAST year. Ironically this is what made the 6th year possible.

With Ed Davis they're going a huge step further since medical records would have to be forged long after the fact to turn his redshirt year into a medical hardship year, and there is ample evidence on their own friggin website to show he was able to play all year.

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