I've re-watched the Denard dive for 1st down several times. I am sold that his knee never touched, but the MSU guys with me are still complaining about the spot. What did you see?
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the spot they got that looked like a 1 1/2 yard gift?
I'm still salty about the ND spot at the end of the game which prevented another guaranteed Michigan miracle. They handed ND almost 2 yards. This doesn't really have much to do with the post I am replying to, but it's more of a word association type thing.
His knees are literally on the face of an MSU player. There is no person with any rationality that can conclusively say his knee was down. Sparty is just grasping at straws.
They always have to blame someone or something. I wouldn't doubt some blame the sun when it peaked out in the 3rd quarter. Same 'ole spartans.
I would rate this #4. 1) ohio, 2) UTL, 3) Sugar Bowl.
We are back. The Universe is now stable again.
And their sense of irony is just a bit lacking.
The first text I received after the game was: "LUCKY f-ing win, we got ROBBED". I feel sorry for anyone who has the misfortune to call themselves a Spartan fan.
my brother sent me a text that said "we're still the better team" (lol), to which i replied "I'd rather have the W buddy, Go Blue". It's amazing they can never give credit when credit is due, their failures are always a result of us cheating or some other BS excuse.
they are called 'lil Bro. The cannot give any give any credit to us. They have to have something over on us.
We have done some of this stuff too. See the non call pass interference on Howard and the extra second in 2001. I remember those robberies more than I do most of the victories.
the one sparty fan I know texted me:
"we should have made that field goal but whatever...good game."
I don't forsee him bringing up football again for a long time. It will be a long time before MSU has a team near as good as their 2011 squad.
you mean. I used to coach with a sparty lover. He had no affiliation with the school, he just loved sparty. Ok that is great. Root for whoever you want.
He was all over me when the stat "its been 1187 games since Michigan beat their little brother in football and basketball" was trumpeted. He told me staee was "back". I asked, "Back from what"? He couldnt answer me.
I reminded him that Saban left because he was a realist that could not recruit against Michigan. He was smart and left.
Then we won at the Big Chill and he said "wait until basketball". When we beat sparty at Breslin, I reminded him about the comment he made at the the Big Chill. He made excuses. He even said Izzo had a cold and wasnt feeling well. Huh? You just cant make this stuff up.
We had a better basketball team. But he couldnt say it. sparty has always had us in basketball for years. That was the only straw they could grasp. Then they beat us again in football. I gave him props. I had to fire him as a coach so I have not heard from him in a year or so, but I will see if his head exploded yet. If we take two in basketball, YIKES!
UNLESS SAID PLAYER'S HEAD WAS DEFLATED DUE TO EMPTY SPACE!
I think the spot was "spot on," but RCMB is having one of their most entertaining meltdowns of the season. I love how some are blaming the refs and the "bad spot," when they were allowed several questionable late hits and not called on one once.
I can't wait for TWIS. Their number one blame object is the OC, as in, "scUM didn't beat us, our OC beat us with his playcalling." Most of them are now sad that they have "nothing left to play for."
I guess it really was their "Super Bowl."
make this stuff up. They are in complete meltdown. Some even want Dantonio's job.
Now, I do not like Dantonio any more than the next mgo Blogger. He is a douche-bag and he even admitted it this week. However, he is not a miracle worker. He is an average coach who cant possibly coach-up an entire team.
In softball, there is always 1 or 2 players that can be coached up to play like the others. But no one can coach up an entire team in any sport.
Now dont get me wrong, I dont feel sorry for marky mark. However the sparty nation needs to get a reality check.
No, no, according to all the Spartan slappies I've come across, Denard's knee touched before he fell on top of the MSU player and stretched for the first down. I really can't believe that they can dismiss Spartan Bob incident or the Wisconsin finish last season and then whine about a replay call not going their way.
Denard was never in fact down. The only thing that stopped the play was forward momentum! He was lyingn on top of a guy forgodsakes!
He wasn't down, it was pretty clear in the stands on the big screen that he was laying on some players when he made the reach
Not even a close call I don't think
Call it even for last year when we got a bullshit spot before the 4th and inches disaster play
The replay and we should've got 11 seconds back on the clock for the stop for a first down.
Yeah I was going crazy about this. I really don't know the rule, but I figured they would put some time back on.
As the ref was on the headset reviewing the play, he was looking right at us in Sec 21. Everyone around us was screaming about the clock and pointing to their fake wristwatch. We would have thought that the ref was old enough to remember wristwatches, apparently not.
One replay angle made it look like his knee might have touched, but all others showed it definitely did not. Case closed.
They were on the body of another player, therefore the spot was correct.
say forward progress was stopped.
players, so his knee didn't touch until he had reached the ball across the marker. It was definatly the correct spot.
I thought we actually got screwed on the spot for Funchess early in the 4th quarter when he caught the sideline pass. He was down at the 11 not the ten which would have allowed us to get a first down. It ultimately changed the way the calls were made on second and third down. I have watched this on the replay and the ref was right in position to spot it correctly. Funchess' helmet is on the 10 but the ball is in his stomach closer to the 11.
Remind him that it was a 3rd down attempt, not 4th.
Whiners will whine and Sparties will spart.
And Michigan is not the Michigan of old yet, we are definitely making positive strides but until we blow the whole defensive line off the ball back 1 or 2 yards every play and smash it between the tackles, then we will be back. UofM is back from a stabilized program perspective but not personnel wise.
Future players might be bigger, but they will be building on the foundation laid down by a bunch of guys who came to play for Michigan, who didn't quit, and who represented Michigan when fans and even former players were abandoning the team. A walk-on who became a Captain. A QB who was too short but will own most of the QB records when he leaves, tiny running backs and slot ninjas. I think I heard it said somewhere that Michigan never left.
The seniors deserve this win. They have been through the pits of hell. I will take the motley crew any day of the week. Are they perfect? no. Can they win a NC? probably not. But they exemplify the honor and traditions that is Michigan. The seniors are truely Michigan Men.
happy for the seniors.
We have Michigan guys on this team. All Heart. They have never left. The difference is that when things can go one way or the other, we can expect them to go Michigan's way. The preparation, focus and confidence that instilled is making the difference.
Wooo freaking hoooo!!!
Keep in mind that the rate at which Hoke has won so far is second all-time among Michigan coaches since 1900 (behind only Fielding Yost), and his conference winning percentage is second only behind Schembechler. Very few teams in Michigan history have won as much as Michigan has under Hoke, and 11-2 seasons aren't as common as you'd think. Enjoy the moment.
I don't think that A-Train32 really cares whether the team wins or loses, he seems more interested in the style of play. I mean, when you have the entire library of Bo quotes to choose from, and you go with "Only three things can happen on a pass, and two of them are bad," you may have a '70s complex.
especially when it's a Woody Hayes quote
When you say "back" do you mean getting beat by App State back? Getting our asses handed to us by USC back? Losing 90% of our games toTressel back?
What are you trying to say?
I sort of agree with this. He did exactly what people were advocating (run Denard's best run plays and pa pass off of that) and it didn't work so great. So not sure what people want at this point, I feel that because of the way the personnel is set up we're going to sort of be a feast or famine offense. That said my main issue with the offense is we seem to continue to have struggles in the red zone and leave points on the field. Need to get that turned around but overall I don't have many issues with Gorgeous
I think people also need to put it into context too. MSU was surrending something like an average of 240 yds/game and 90 yds rushing/game. UM had 326 yds of offense and 160 yds rushing. Anyone expecting an offensive onslaught like UM put on Purdue and Illinois had unrealistic expectations. It would have been nice to score some TD's in the red zone but at the end of the day they came out with a W.
Not thoughts, snowflakes.
Here is mine:
Never did I think that we would score 12 points and beat MSU. Nor did I ever think that we could hold ND to 13 points and lose. Aside from Bama, our defense has held us in games against good opponents (of which I would qualify Bama, ND, and sometimes MSU). Even in the Bama game, there was a pick 6 and another few drives that our defense had to protect a shortened field, plus our offense could not maintain a drive to save their lives.
We may not run the table to finish the year with a better record than last (12-2), but it's refreshing to see our players developing like they should. That's a big compliment to the coaching staff, and something that was sorely lacking in the previous regime. And that statement is coming from a RR apologist.
It is just so clear and easy to see how and why Hoke is able to recruit the way he does, and why he will continue to recurit at an elite level until he retires.
Let's not get blinded by the light. Having blind faith in anyone can be dangerous.
Can Hoke recruit? That is obvious. Can he continue? as long as we support him.
So you're opposed to having "blind faith" in the guy (leave aside the fact that he's won 80% of his games here) - but then you want us to keep supporting him so he'll continue to recruit well? Which is it?
Hoke cannot do this by himself. It is going to take the full support of everyone to continue to grow. I dont want anyone to say "we got this" and take anything for granted like they did at PSU.
Having blind faith in Hoke just because he beat ohio, ND and moo u is not good. The mission is not complete. We must continue to strive to get better, to get more recruits, to continue to donate money. We must support the team win or lose. We are all in this together. No one rest on the laurals.
I heard many people say as we were leaving the game yesterday; "we are back" and "NC here we come", "Fu*k the SEC".
We are back. But in order to continue to remain on top, we must keep moving forward. Hoke is great but lets not get stuck in the mud just because we won a few key games.
Championships are not build overnight.
We never thought in a million years that Appy St could beat us. Then we turn around and drop and egg to Toledo. We cant allow a few wins to think we are heading for a NC.
1. "Having blind faith in Hoke just because he beat ohio, ND and moo u is not good."
2. "We must support the team win or lose."
I do think the point is a bit more nuanced.
IMO we should support Hoke fully as we've been doing but that we shouldn't raise anybody to idol status or compromise our values of winning but doing it the right way. We have kept this value as clearly evidenced by a lot of people wanted Fitz benched for at least the Bama game and for that we should be proud.
What happened in Happy Valley is tragic and we have to continue to remember there are more important things than the result of a game.
That said I am happy that our team is clearly making huge strides, developing, improving and doing it all with a smile.
There will be bumps along the road but I think we are on the rise and can be proud of our current trajectory.
Beat Braska Go Blue
No way. I vote for no bumps.
Our run defense is good, real good.
guy in your avatar? I see him on the field every game. Is he an asst Coach?
Haha, saw him at happy's pizza last night.
the 3rd highest ranked RB by rushing yards in the country to 68 yards.
It felt good. No other way to put it. It especially felt good considering we didn't catch any of the breaks. Every game has it's breaks. The dropped pass by Gardner, the mis-fire on Gallon, two fumbles on the ground we couldn't get on top off. Any of those plays perhaps makes this game more comfortable. But, we win DESPITE not catching those. Passion and Discipline brought us the win. That is why it feels so good. We earned it.
next Vince Lombardi, and ummmm your opinion sucks too bro...
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I think the Kovacs INT was a huge break for us, but I'd prefer to snicker at Andrew Maxwell and say MAKE PLAYS
I think State recovering two fumbles inside their own 10 yard line was a huge break for them.
Much bigger breaks than the INT was for Michigan.
Not to mention the fake punts.....
the fake punt was a bad call. If we stop them, we win. It was too agressive. However, the sparty punter was their only hero. He did what was asked of him and more.
They did get shit lucky on the fumbles. It lloked like we recovered at first. There must have been some action under the pile.
Totally agree on the fake punt call: bad decision that went right for Sparty. There were still 11 minutes left in the game and MSU was only down by 2 points. If they don't convert that, UM gets the ball in FG range in a game where every point was precious. That was more than gutsy, that was downright reckless.
They made the call because of what they saw on film, and the formation M lined up in. Watch the replay and see our end man on the line of scrimmage - he runs blindly with the gunner (which is what he's been coached to do). After him there's no edge, and more than adequate blockers to completely blow out that entire side of the field.
It wasn't risky, it was a great play call. What was entirely ridiculous was M's special teams lining up that way and not protecting against the fake. You do "Punt Safe" in that situation and protect for the fake. It was a terrible, terrible call on Michigan's part.
the coaches make millions to call plays. What if we had the "Block the punt" call on? I dont think we did that yet this year. The punter did not have the option from my angle. He just ran. So the formation could have either been protect or block.
I would have brought everyone up to the line. We are not that good at returning punts. Let the ball go, or hope for a shank. Dantonio bet the farm on that one play. Good for him, it worked. But if it failed, Dantonio's front-room couch would have been set ablaze. He guessed that we would not rush the punter and he guessed right.
I am easily most impressed with the defensive turnaround, which was on full display last night. It seems impossible, since it was a national laughingstock just a couple years ago.
Denard deserves all the praise he gets, but the defense is the heart of this team.
Did you see Denard block that DL guy on second to last play (Vincent smith run)? That guy played his heart out for the win, and I would say that last comment is just uncalled for.
Yeah, I saw it. I have it on DVR and have watched it several times. You are correct - Denard played his heart out for the win. I couldn't agree more. That's why I said that Denard deserves all the praise he gets. You need to read a little more closely before commenting.
He left it all out there.
How big has our defensive turnaround been? Ask Le'Veon Bell.
In 2010, Bell had seven carries for 78 yards (11.1 ypc) and a TD. He scored on a 41-yard run in which he was untouched.
In 2012, Bell had 26 carries for 68 yards (2.6 ypc) and no scores. His long run of the day was eight yards.
Nineteen more carries for 10 fewer yards. Dang.
To add to this and bring it up to the team level, at least in the MSU game, look also at the fact that we gave up 249 total yards rushing in 2010, 213 yards in 2011, and we nearly halved the 2011 total yeaterday, giving up only 112 yards rushing in the game. We held the Spartans to an average of 3.6 yards per carry yesterday, whereas we were getting 5.1 yards per carry on average. It was mentioned to death in the days before the game, but one of the keys was going to be stopping Bell, forcing them to go to the air, and our run defense did a more than adequate job of stunting not just Bell, but the entire rushing offense. It seems like the game plan on defense worked out extremely well.
And those stats are even inflated by that 26-yard gain on the fake punt. Against our defense, the MSU offense managed only 86 rushing yards.
Two years ago, had we only had a 2 point lead going into the 4th, let alone down by 1 there would have been a sense of impending doom. Maybe it was just me being drunk, but I felt supremely confident yesterday that we would win, even when it looked pretty bad for us (like getting backed out of field goal range and having to punt on the second to last drive.) What a difference a couple years makes.
cuz Frank Beckman called them that on the air, just seconds after one of my friends seated next to me at the game called them exactly the same thing.
My favorite moment was the Last kickoff when Sparty was throwing and lateralling* the ball is desperation only to fail
Painful memory of the 2005 Alamo Bowl.
Ecker. Ecker? Look! Breaston! THROW IT TO BREASTON!!! THROW IT!!! THRROWOWOWO!!!
So painful that I still remember the exact number of extra syllables I placed on the word throw.
All I could think of was green lawn orbs
made me laugh.
In tears? Goodness. I love Michigan Football but if I ever find myself crying through a game, I will probably just throw in the towel as a sports fan.
That would have me in tears was our end of game clock management. Timeout strategy was horrible, took forever to run plays in the two minute drill, lost 11 seconds on the Denard spot that we somehow did not fight to get back.
THRILLED about the win. But let's not allow the 45+ seconds the coaching staff costs us in the final minutes to go unanswered for just because the Gibbons made the kick. This needs to get fixed.
on a "Clock Coach". There seems to be no one on the staff watching the clock. This needs to get fixed.
How was the timeout strategy horrible? If you have 2 TOs left you never call one of them after first down. You call them after second and third down plays. We had no choice to call one after Fitz caught that ball. So I don't know what you are talking about.
I agree with you in regards to this game. But there does need to be more urgency in our players when running the two minute drill. Clock management is the one blemish that I can pick at with our coaching staff. Suboptimal.
I agree with you there. We wasted about 10 seconds between plays at one point. But I was referring directly to the poor use of timeouts that the guy above was talking about.
to improve that.
should have let that ball drop. I know it's not something that runs through their minds. It's pure instinct, but if UM had lost that game, I would have pointed to that play.
but during the game its difficult for the players to think ahead.
MSU played a heck of a game but it's great to see Michigan finally have the better defense. You can see how much State
over prepared for this one game. I'm interested in seeing how well they do versus Wisconsin next week.
stopped denard for a while. Although we got to them.
sad that I deleted the game from the DVR. I re-watched the end but I missed a LOT of what you mention here, probably on account of the drunk.
I'm still kind of amazed that we won. Not because we were overmatched (lol Sparty) but just, that was ugly.
You can watch it again and dvr it tonight at 8 on the btn.
I'm hungover. But it's the best hangover I've had in a while.
deserve to celebrate and be hungover after this one.
what makes winning this game by scoring just 4 FG's even more amaizing, is that they were not only by 2 different placekickers, but 3 were by a left-footed kicker and 1 by a right-footed specialist. Did each kicker have a different holder to place the ball down after the snap? If it were the same player doing each hold, that has to be exceedingly difficult to do successfully!
No, Dileo was the holder for all 4 of them.
if anyone else was the holder this year. Me thinks it was only him.
I'll prob get some negative responses for this but... I have to take my hat off to msu. Their defense fought extremely hard and contained a rushing attack that ran absolutely wild the past few weeks. The game seemed much much cleaner than the past few years (at least from what I could tell from the stands), and Dantonio wasn't spewing acid/hate after the game. Not sure what caused the change in attitude but it was nice
It almost seemed to me as if Dantonio knew this was coming.
a man who knows his team doesn't have the pieces to win the Big Ten. He also knows that the difference in having those players and not having them is a 1 point loss to Ohio, a 3 point OT loss to Iowa and a 2 point loss to Michigan.
He now has a team that could have been 7-1 but is 4-4 and has 4 games reamaining against Wisconsin, Northwestern, Nebraska and Minnesota. His team MUST WIN TWO of those 4 to be bowl eligible.
His team has entered a critical juncture, their biggest game of the year is behind them, every ounce of perparation from the first day went into Saturday's moment. Now he has a down, dejected team that has nothing more to play for other than a crappy bowl game.
His team's season is ont he precipace of disaster.
That's what I like to see.
Actually, the flaming MSU bus careening off the cliff and crashing into the snake-infested jungle below is what I really like to see, but that comes in November.
Good word for the occasion.
That both teams poured everything they had into this game. Both teams' players and coaches had earned each others' respect. The fans may talk smack at one another and continue to hate on one another, but those men on the field know the real story: they played a game like "brothers" are supposed to play, and left everything on the field.
Was he worth two points of offense to them? I thought I saw him out there on one play, perhaps as a desperation decoy.
He did play a couple of snaps in the second half.
I think Michigan IS back, to a whole lot of good things. But don't expect the media to see it just yet, even for the rest of this season (unless we win out). A 12-10 score over a down team like MSU won't convince the skeptics and the casual onlookers (let's face it, that's what many pundits are) to look more closely at our fabulous D, for example.
I do think we were pretty tight out there in the first half. The other side can perhaps make the same argument, but we were just a couple of inches, a couple of poor spots, a poor fumble call from a more comfortable score. On the other hand, you watch the highlights, you realize that a lot of guys came through for Michigan yesterday. Gritty and close as it was, there was also some stellar play.
Did Gallon drop that pass in the endzone, or was it a bad throw? I was in the opposite endzone and didn't watch the scoreboard on that play.
The only thing that I was dumbfounded about during the game was how often Funchess and Gardner weren't on the field when they had the ball in the redzone.
The ball was thrown behind him. He could still have caught it, but it would have been a circus catch. I expect Brian will score that a 0/1 "wow he caught that" opportunity.
My alcohol-fueled impression at the time was the field judge was in the way and a perfect throw would have resulted in Denard taking his head off (because Gallon is like 4'5").
Tjhe ball was behind him BUT there was a sparty coming underneath the other way. I dont know if he would have gotten there if the throw led gallon a bit more. I'll defer to others.
Unrelated did anyone notice what looked to me to be extensive trash talking by Dilleo?
I think if Denard had led Gallon with that throw, MSU #10 would have intercepted/deflected it. Shoelace did the best he could.
but very awkward; he had to turn all the way back around for it, from what I could tell.
It was a great play call, and it got Gallon wide open. Blame execution on both Denard and Gallon - suboptimal throw, could have been a tough catch. RPS Borges +1
Same with the play before that, where he got Funchess alone 1-on-1 with Adams. The throw needs to be a bit higher, and then Adams also made a great play. Even with that, I think a sophmore Devin Funchess snatches that ball up anyway. It's just a bit much to ask of a true freshman.
Just my instant observation from right after it happened, but it almost looked to me like Denard, possibly even subconsciously, threw around the head of the ref in the middle of the field and pushed it just a titch behind Gallon. Ref may as well have had his hands in the air on that play from Denard's perspective.
So gallon should settled a bit more, in other words, he overran his spit a bit. At the game I thought it was a bad throw, seeing it on dvr makes me think denard put it where he needed to.
Now on the second quarter thurs down to round tree, denard through wrong route as Roy was open at goal line on same pattern Mathews beat nd in 09 on.
Yikes, that post teaches me to never try to post from my phone without my glasses on. Autocorrect kicked my ass and I didn't even notice my mistyping. (now edited)
1) win over Ohio
2) UTL over ND
3) this win
4) win over VT
I think the Nebraska game should get some love too, seeing as it was a blowout over a team we weren't supposed to come close to.
1. We really need to recruit a slot WR in next year's class, because Gallon and Dileo will be gone after 2013.
2. Schofield was pretty good at guard last year, but he looks a little overmatched athletically on the edge. Hopefully, Braden and some of the other young guys can push him a little in spring ball, because we will not have as mobile a QB next year.
3. I wish we could see more of Funchess in the game plan, because he is such a mismatch.
4. I cannot remember feeling so placid when our kickers come on. It is a tribute to them and this coaching staff given what happened during the Rich Rod years.
5. It was suprising to see Jeremy Jackson on so often in the game when we were in obvious passing situations. i think that he is a good blocker, but he just doesn't have enough speed to be viable as anything other than a check-down recieiver.
6. It is good that we have so many corners coming in next year, because we look really thin on the depth chart. I am particularly pleased that Hoke is bringing in taller and bigger guys out their given our current roster.
7. Mealer, Barnum and Omameh should be really proud of how they are coming together this year.
8. It has been fun to watch how Roh has developed and fit in over on the strong side, and it is a shame that he wasn't able to redshirt given how often he shuffled around during his career.
9. Every game left on the schedule is emminently winnable.
10. Joe Kerridge looks like a legit DI FB, and it looks like Hoke has two guys there he can rotate from here on out with Hopkins being healthy.
even yesterday, I was querulous towards the kickers due to the 2010 Illinois game. But after yesterday's game, I'm all good.
THink that Norfleet will be able to move there?
#5 is frustrating. When was the last time he had a catch? He's not a difference maker as a blocker, and every opponent knows he's not a threat as a receiver.
I mean, Dantonio looked at Jackson and said where's the threat and lulz he was like amirite?
The rushing of the field should have never happened, a damn shame it did. Act like you've been there before. Michigan beat an unranked, decent opponent today, and you want to make it look like Michigan won the national championship? Let Purdue act like beating Michigan State is significant. These 3:30 kickoffs let people get too drunk before the game and leads to shenanigans like this. Someone needs to take control. Bo hated 3:30 kickoffs, and in my humble opinion, maybe it is time to listen to a man like him than the corporate suits from television and apparel companies.
The 900th win in program history has not occurred before. Students did not rush the field until the video celebrating this was played.
900 wins is something very special that I have waited to see for many years. I will be there at win 1000 too. I dont mind students rushing the field because they have short-term memory. The seniors (assuming 4 year seniors) have not beaten staee. They deserve some celebration.
I thought about this last year against ohio. I can understand the students rushing the field, but when the old coot next to me pushed me out of they way to get on the field: that was too much.
Please try to take a nap early in the day so you can pay attention to what is going on. If you can't understand what goes on, ask questions, someone will explain things slowly.
Opinion, you need to lighten up.
A celebration for young fans/students who have not seen a win for 4 yrs and also the 900th win? Rush the field you young whippersnappers. Us old alum watched u like proud parents. The youngs kids have NOT been there before. If we rush then it's a bit silly as we have. Go Blue!!!
I think most people who were there will tell you it felt right. 900th win + the first time any of the (non-5th+ year) students there ever saw a win against State after a tight game with a victory in the last few seconds. I sure as hell would have rushed if I was in the student section.
Fergodsakes rush the field. 900 wins happens in a schools history only once.
the third largest crowd in college football history witnessed the first team to reach 900 wins.
trivia: what team did they beat?
A: who cares.
rush the field.
back in the days when you wore an onion on your belt (because that was the style at the time) the students didn't do that.
I grew up going to games in the late 70's and into the 80's. The field got rushed with regularity and the students tore goalposts down to parade around like war trophies. I can remember being on the field with the players still out there.
Nobody's ever been there (900 wins) before. Students and fans have watched through three of the bleakest years in Michigan football to see last year's turn around and now this year exercise the last demon to reach an historic mark ... and you're bitching that they're too excited?
And while i'm not a fan of 3:30 starts because they really blow up my Saturday, students can get pretty damned drunk by noon if they're in the mind to get drunk. By the end of the game, they've gone 3+ hours without a drink (it seems harder to sneak booze inside than when i was a kid and every adult male seemed to bring a flask inside) so i'm having a hard time seeing how storming the field is a result of alcohol.
P.S. You do remember the good old days of showering the endzone with toilet paper and then marshmallows, don't you? Or in your mind the halcyon days of yore were always mature and staid?
Not related specifically to the MSU game, but haven't seen this elsewhere. Quick clip of Marlin Jackson talking about how Michigan prepared him for the NFL and life. I personally love seeing out alumni talk positively about their experiences at Michigan, and Marlin is one I haven't heard from yet. He seems primed for a life aftef football and it's great to see him coming back to Ann Arbor wearing the Maize and Blue
Not sure if they take a bus from the stadium to Schembechler after the game, but this is how I'm imagining it went down:
The score was 12-10. We won. And it was awesome.
Excellent post. You made me all emotional on a Sunday morning. What a great day it will be.
The only thing that would've made Kovacs interception better, is if he took it all the way. Is there any chance we see the #32 as Michigan Legends jersey?
I don't know if anyone else saw this, but I definitely saw a number 16 lined up around the 20 on the opening kickoff of the second half.What was the plan there?
Dantonio's balls. Asunder.
thats gotta hurt.
We saw that, and I'm surprised no one else mentioned it yet. I've been looking through these threads and didn't see anything posted. The best part is that he tucked his dreads into the back of his jersey!
I'm sure almost everybody remembers, but we received after halftime. So to be clear, he was on the return team. Oh, the possibilities!
He was lined up next to the sideline, about 8 yards upfield from Norfleet.
Couldn't agree more about watching the final few minutes again. Everyone should do it. There is so much to pick up on without having the emotions running high.
Does anyone know why MSU wasn't charged a timeout on their lost challenge of the spot on the final drive? I'm almost certain it was announced as a challenge and not a booth review.
I seem to remember it as a review....can coaches even challenge in the B1G?
Inside 2mins, too
but does it drive anyone else nuts that one of those ESPNU commericals has Jason Seahorn saying "It's all on Denard Robinson. If he doesn't electrify the stadium, they don't win."
Has a stupider thing ever been said? I don't know why ESPNU is so proud of it such that they decided to put it on their commercial that they air 10 times a day
Any idea where to find an early line on the Nebraska game??
Looks like Neb -2.5, seen that a couple places this morning.
I would not have guessed that.
Biggest play that seems forgotten is V. Smith's run to start the last 2 minute drill. Having that big play on the 1st play was huge. It wasn't an easy run at all, he had to make a move in the backfield and still got about 12 yards
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an undersized QB out in front blocking. That play does a good job of exemplifying the heart with which the players played this game.
I gotta believe as a D-Coordinator scouting UM for tendencies, you'll find that when Smith is in the game it's more often than not usually a pass. In fact, I'm guessing the % of time Smith gets a hand-off when he's in the game is pretty low.
Sparty sees Smith in the game knowing UM is probably going to have to throw most of the time to get into FG range and Borges calls a hand off Smith.
Three years under RR. Seemed longer at the time though...
Mind!!! I was screaming so loud at the TV!!! Change the fucking clock... She was looking at me like I was being exorcized
radio on at the game and Frank and Jim were saying the same thing. How does that get missed? In the end it hurt sparty more than us.
They also retroactively added 20 seconds back at the end of the first half AFTER runnning another play (so, the clock time added would have been 2 plays late).
I was confused with both. The 20-seconds added thing was because an MSU guy went out of bounds...but as I saw it, the guy's forward progress was clearly stopped and he and the tackler traveled to the sideline laterally...that should keep the clock running, no?
And the replay thing...if they go to replay, isn't it generally understood that the clock is reset to what it was after the reviewed play? I'm curious to know the exact rule in that case. It could have cost Michigan dearly, though luckily it didn't.
First we won, so not a big deal....but Barnum missed a huge block on the denard run (the second play off the drive- right after the smith draw). Denard cuts to the left and there are only two guys on that side of the field- Barnum and a lb. Barnum just stands there. Doesn't really make any effort to get to the second level and block that lb. If he makes that block denard has 15 yards before he sees a defender and given denard, he may be gone.
In the end it didn't matter, but at the time I was disappointed.
The more I think about it the more I'm impressed with the way everyone on the team fought through the whole game. Other than (maybe) the Kovacs interception we just didn't have any lucky breaks. There were at least 2-3 passes that could've been touchdowns had things gone slightly different. And there was the fumbles they caused that still stayed with Sparty.
In many ways this feels more special because of that. I refuse to make any concessions that Michigan got lucky somewhere; because we didn't. The team fought, the crowd fought, the coaches fought. No one, on either side gave an inch. And in the end the Wolvinerines brought Paul home. :) It feels like the curse has been broken by sheer force of will.
How about that defense? How about 160+ yards on the ground against one of the best rush defensives in the country. GRIND IT OUT. It wasn't pretty, but it certainly was Michigan.
say that again.
I swear I saw a handful of plays with #85 on the field, and haven't noticed Joe Reynolds out there in previous games (at least in critical junctures of the games). Must be a good down-field blocker? If so, kudos to Joe for working his tail off to get on the field in a pressure-packed setting.
Proposed new play: Reynolds enters the game. Opposing DC says "must be run, #85 is on the field". Play-action fake to Reynolds side. After a feeble block attempt, Reynolds runs up the seam uncovered. Instant TD. We all rejoice in the goodness that is Joe Reynolds.
I don't think Floyd is getting the praise he deserves for the run support established on the edge. He has definately changed his approach to tackling in the last couple weeks and was stout forcing the counters and pitches back in. He has progressed immensely since week 1.
Late in the game when UM forced MSU to kick a FG, Floyd was huge on the 3rd down play. Bell tries to go up the middle and has nothing. He bounces it outside and Floyd has contain. Floyd has a blocker on him and instead of giving ground, Floyd stretches the play all the way to sideline. I don't think Floyd made the tackle, but he strung the play out long enough to allow the calvary to come to the rescue.
Was he hurt? I don't remember seeing him in the game once Saturday. Box score indicates no carries for him as well. I don't understand how are most physical runner didn't even get in for one play against MSU's defense....??????
Excellent point. Fitzgerald did run hard yesterday though.
Just some thoughts about Borges (I know he is a touchy topic as of late).
I thought his gameplan yesterday was good/fair, but not great. I know a lot of people like to look at the scoreboard and say "No Touchdowns, Borges sucks", but in hindsight, looking at the last few years against MSU and this year against ND, TOs really cost us dearly. He put a leash on Denard and picked his spots to go downfield. I thought the conservative gameplan was the right one.
As far as the no TDs thing goes, I thought the playcalling in the redzone was actually pretty good. We had nothing to show for it, b/c of some poor execution (for example, Denard under throwing Funchess, throw behind Gallon, poor read on the zone read). I do think execution is on the coaching staff to some extent as well, but we're never going to be perfect and we were playing a pretty good defense. In the end, I think the general theme was to minimize mistakes and put points on the board when we could with little risk. It turned out to be enough by a razors edge. I think some of the opinion's of Borges' game are forgetting that the offense isn't a vacuum in the sense that the play calling had a lot to do with how our defense was playing.
Just my thoughts.
Agree, I think Borges' plan was to not let bad Denard show up, even if it meant that for most of the game it would also keep away good Denard - except for late in the game when it really mattered.
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I agree with the folks noting that these are actually the good times. M was 11-2 last year. I realize that M is recruiting well, but there is no guarantee that that will automatically turn them into a yearly National Title contender. I'm pretty happy with the team M has right now. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love good recruiting and damn if I wouldn't like some more playmakers at WR, not that Denar would necessarily throw it to them accurately, but it's not so bad right now. I don't know how much better M is going to get on defense in terms of production, yardage etc. They are pretty good. I, like all of you, hope they get better, but I wouldn't denigrate the current team by trying to imagine how great they'll be next year. That said, that is the prerogative and enjoyment of being a sports fan. Well, there is always next year. My wife did say she was worried M wouldn't win another National Title before I die. I'm thirty two. I'm hoping we don't have to wait fifty years, and I also hope that she's not poisoning me. Go blue.
So how much of a bump in the BCS rankings do we get for beating Oregon's helmets?
This new era looks and feels a lot like the "Bo" years!
Something that gets lost sometimes in the 4 yr streak by Starty is that we won the previous 6 matchups under Carr. Some of those games were close (as rivalry games often are), but getting back to that level of dominance would be great.
to say we only look at the distant past. In 10 years we are 6-4, in 20 years we are 12-8, in 30 years we are 19-11. We have the longest win streak at 8.
sparty says: "But these are only facts and do not represent the hype, which is closer to the truth".
Bottom line is that Hoke's program is still under development and he's already caught up to Dantonio, whose program is already built. MSU can expect a whole lot more losing in the future. MSU fans who think that Dantonio can keep up with Michigan while getting badly out recruited are delusional.
On the second to last drive we were on the MSU 25 yd line, Denard gets TFL'ed, a false start, and a holding penalty take us out of field goal range. I was going nuts. ND was also like that where we gave up points because the offense went backwards. Hopefully we can get more disciplined on that in the future so that it doesn't cost us another one.
Last year Michigan was one of the least penalized teams in the B10, if not the nation. Not sure what's happened to change this with Team 133, but it definitely cost them some serious momentum, and didn't allow them to take advantage of opportunities.
We're still not a very penalized team. We just had some occur at costly times yeterday.
I thought yesterday was Fitz's best day thus far. He keeps progressing. I'd love to see him break out this Saturday in Lincoln.
His FG was at a crucial moment. If he misses, Sparty gets the ball in good position with just over a minute in the half. I thought we were going to punt and pin em deep. Hoke has some big ones.
1) State didn't seem as nasty. The Christmas ornament helmets and seemingly clean play made them seem totally unlike what we've seen in the past couple years.
2) Dantonio was classier for a change. Combination of the loss and a growing sense his program simply won't be able to keep pace with Hoke and Meyer around.
3) Disapponted and surprised we didn't win by at least a couple of scores.
4) Can't shake the feeling this year's Spartans still beat us six of ten.
Was Bunyan trotted around the field? Did I just miss it?