Michigan Vs them (OSU) - Tweet of an Insider
There is a lot of focus on recruiting, but less on how we fall behind the top 5 level due to our athletic program overall. There are many reasons beyond the direct efforts and evaluations of the football staff that lead to big signing classes of elite players. I’m not on the “bagmen” train, I think we have to improve our culture and our marketing. Rogers spent a lot of time with our program and while he lacks specific detail that seems to be a product of being behind in every way.
https://twitter.com/_tyrogers_/status/1207311375917293568?s=12
December 18th, 2019 at 10:17 PM ^
I refuse to acknowledge that osu exists
December 18th, 2019 at 10:34 PM ^
What the f**k is a osu???
December 19th, 2019 at 2:01 AM ^
The Online State University. They get upset if you call them A Online State U.
December 18th, 2019 at 10:18 PM ^
People are so f-ing naive. The FBI indicted how many college MBB assistants on federal crimes ? College football is equally as corrupt if not worse. The elite top 50 players in college football are being paid illegally. Rashan Gary was offered $300k by Clemson. That dirt ball program has six 5-star commits in this class. Come on folks, this shit is rigged.
December 18th, 2019 at 10:28 PM ^
You're gonna get called a boomer for this one. It's the go to phrase when a person has no comeback
December 18th, 2019 at 10:55 PM ^
Mongo is a boomer
December 19th, 2019 at 9:37 AM ^
Username and avatar would suggest the same is true of you.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:48 AM ^
But I thought it was the graphics and light shows that were getting the recruits.
HA! Big revenue college sports are a farce. It's binary, either you play skool or don't play skool, and if you go the student-athlete route, especially in football, you are at huge disadvantage.
December 19th, 2019 at 6:39 AM ^
A guy who works for me is a Clemson booster. Says it’s weird that all the players are wearing Rolexes in the teams Instagram feed. They’re just Ole Miss but a little smarter.
December 19th, 2019 at 6:55 AM ^
So wait...when Lloyd Carr got the #1 class in 1998, were we paying players? If so, when/why did we stop?
Carr recruited some very highly ranked (re: top 3-5) classes in the late 90s. Either he got suuuuuper lucky or there was more going on...
December 19th, 2019 at 8:45 AM ^
Not saying those weren't good classes, but the rankings were based partly on the words of a single lemming ... Tom Lemming.
It was the dark ages of recruiting. I don't believe Rivals / Scout / 247 / ESPN had ramped up the coverage yet.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:14 AM ^
That 1998 class was stacked and the best one in the past 25 years at least. Drew Henson is still the last UM QB to win in Columbus and he made it look easy. David Terrell and Marquise Walker were studs. Cato June, Victor Hobson and Larry Foote went on to productive NFL careers. Even Justin Fargas was an NFL draft pick despite transferring after a couple seasons.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:21 AM ^
Are there seriously no Michigan fans in federal law enforcement who could start looking into this shit? If it's really happening as much as we all think it is, there have to be (tax) laws being violated.
Not that it matters anyway. Even it was made public, no one would care. Which is why us not playing the bagman game is stupid.
December 19th, 2019 at 11:55 AM ^
Are there no Michigan football writers who could look into it? Interview Ed Warinner about differences in Michigan's and Ohio State's method of operations. Talk to recruits and players on the record about how they turned down Ohio State payment offers to play at Michigan for free.
Why do you suppose this doesn't happen? Can you work out a plausible answer for this negligence, or are you too deranged with self-pity to think it through?
December 18th, 2019 at 10:23 PM ^
Who the hell is Ty Rogers?
December 18th, 2019 at 10:32 PM ^
Let’s get serious here - do you think Ty gets a flu shot?
December 19th, 2019 at 2:02 AM ^
I've seen some graphic Jenny McCarthy videos.
December 18th, 2019 at 10:32 PM ^
Serious who the fuck is ty Rogers and why would anyone give a fuck what he thinks? He’s got a regional Emmy, just like I’ve got a regional noble prize for being the best physics student in high school. Fuck this guy and fuck you for posting this.
December 19th, 2019 at 3:06 AM ^
You’re sure are a sensitive little ??
December 18th, 2019 at 10:38 PM ^
Make everyone play by the same rules and it would be a level playing field. Then we would get back to the ten year war days. Not happening if NCAA turns a blind eye to the SEC and the other SEC North Team OSU. So might as well get used to seeing Alabama, Auburn, OSU, Insert other SEC team, in the playoffs until real change happens. I’ve accepted where we are, because there ain’t shit we can do about it!
December 18th, 2019 at 10:44 PM ^
I saw this response to him on twitter and thought it was spot on. I enjoyed his content while at Michigan and he’s talented, but anytime he tweets he’s comes off like Steve Buscemi saying, “How do you do, fellow kids?” It’s cringeworthy.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:10 AM ^
Looks like his personality fits right into OSU's style - smack in the middle of the Zach Smith range...
December 18th, 2019 at 10:45 PM ^
Man looking for work at OSU says they're better at things than Michigan. Shocker.
December 18th, 2019 at 10:53 PM ^
Bring him back in and find out in what ways he means. Then copy those ways. ?♂️
December 19th, 2019 at 6:56 AM ^
He’s trying to get a job at OSU and is a little sensitive about his ego. Numerous M fans asked him to elaborate on this cryptic tweet, but he never responds. Though, he did respond to several benign questions in the tweet conversation.
this tells me the whole thing was to Get more follows by osu fans and to stir things up on both sides since he no longer works for M.
He’s needy for attention.
December 18th, 2019 at 11:10 PM ^
it seems like UM is OSUs farm system for personnel. Including this guy. Something has to be working over there.
December 18th, 2019 at 11:36 PM ^
Hmm. I'm wondering if A_Maized is a concern troll, misrepresenting a clearly meaningless reference as if it were in any way important (which it is not).
The author -- Ty Roberts -- as a former "multimedia controller" (apparently, a guy who makes short vids for things like twitter), is clearly a "true insider". Also, his former boss in Duke basketball, had this to say about him:
“He’s a self-taught guy and he learned a lot. He was on YouTube tutorials and connecting with other creatives and it’s incredible what he’s become in two years."
Clearly, in addition to being a "true insider", he's a great football mind.
In addition, he seems to be a "true professional" because only true professionals know that, when you leave a former employer, it's most to your advantage to insult the former employer in a way that looks exactly the same as being a petty douche who was just shit-canned.
December 18th, 2019 at 11:45 PM ^
Now I’m really angry.
December 19th, 2019 at 12:19 AM ^
I am going to go out on a limb and call this mostly bullshit. The reason is that in this day and age of information overload, there are no secrete sauces when it comes to stuff and processes that money can buy. OSU and UM are spending godly amounts of money on their football programs and you can bet they have checked out each others' processes and approaches in minute details.
It is wise to remember that we have JG from a school that perhaps OSU even lags behind. So whatever it is that we are behind and this guy discovered it in 12 hours, you can be sure that JG has already discussed it with JH and other people.
The secrete sauce that you don't have to be an insider to see and it is difficult to buy, is having top notch competent coaches. I can bet that we are on par or very close to being on par with OSU in almost everything else.
Finally, whatever this secrete sauce is, it cannot be easily replicated as we have not seen OSU assistant coaches being smashing success when they leave OSU.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:03 AM ^
Appreciate your thoughtfulness.
I know some M fans want to take the high road and not use this “excuse” as OSU fans put it, but the secret sauce is very evident. Some recruits choose schools based on the benefits they will receive. Cash, cars, and fake jobs. It helps when the school is winning and competing for playoff spots, but OSU fans want to pretend Clarett’s indictment of osu by getting paid in college, tattoo gate, players getting suspended for illicit gains such as Chase Young’s “loan” aren’t relevant. Those are totally relevant. It’s not the quality of the weight room, it’s finding talented players and luring them with benefits while Michigan is not doing the same (or at least not at the same level of audacity).
December 19th, 2019 at 12:29 AM ^
This is much ado about nothing. Ty is talented, but he makes freaking short videos. He acts like he’s Scorcese. I get there’s a certain level of self-promotion that needs to go on, but people that have worked with him have said he’s all about himself. He acts like he’s boys with Cam Newton but Cam couldn’t pick him out of a crowd with 2 other videographers.
He “parted ways” from Michigan because he was too busy self-promoting and trying to land other gigs with athletes. Problem is he posts this knowing Michigan fans will freak out about it and he gets free PR. Rinse and repeat. I can promise you OSU was not giving a videographer a behind the scenes look of what makes them great.
December 19th, 2019 at 1:32 AM ^
If you have respect for someone, you don't bash them in public. Growing up, that was called disrespect. I don't know if the definition changed after Dantonio put a 'k' in the word.
December 19th, 2019 at 2:17 AM ^
Either he's talking about their graphics department in which case, NOBODY CARES, or he's akin to the posters on the board who say 'i know why he got suspended but I can't tell you.' Not worth the attention either way.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:07 AM ^
Never heard of him.
December 19th, 2019 at 7:37 AM ^
Yeah, it's not that we've only beat them twice in the last two decades, the fact that they've won the B1G 9 times since our last title, they're two NC since our last one, or a rabid culture that lives and breathes around beating us. It's the graphics. Gimme a break. They may be better at graphics, but that is not what's driving their recruiting prowess. It may be a small piece of the puzzle of things they do better, but not a significant one.
December 20th, 2019 at 1:10 PM ^
I think the point is that Ohio State plays to win every single piece of the puzzle. Every aspect of the program is a competition to be the best. They cede no ground on any aspect of their program. That is their culture. That is what drives their recruiting prowess which then turns into results on the field. Saying this piece or that piece isn't that important... well, the competition thinks it is.
December 19th, 2019 at 8:22 AM ^
So he is on the video/graphics team and says we are way behind. Does he mean Ohio is filming other teams walk through's, practices, signals? How can you be way behind as a video department? The program was using digital video when Lloyd was here so it makes zero sense.
Sounds like Meyer propaganda, ie telling them to say something publicly to make it sound bad.
December 19th, 2019 at 8:25 AM ^
Seriously behind in what ways, Ty Rodgers?
December 19th, 2019 at 8:51 AM ^
This is old news. Michigan started falling behind when Tressel arrived. Where is our coach that wants to sit at the big boy table ?
December 19th, 2019 at 9:01 AM ^
Michigan is disorganized at its core. That is the biggest issue. There has been a ton of issues with instate recruiting starting back in the 17 class. They have recruited for 3 different offenses and taken kids without a position. Those same kids still keep switching positions and can't crack the lineup.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:09 AM ^
Anyone can see that the University of Michigan athletics is beholden to the old set of books - scholarship, student athlete, academics, Michigan football traditions. Most of the video footage on Youtube of great Michigan football wins emanate from the 1997 and 2000 and 2006 teams. The reality is, there isn't much else in terms of signature Michigan football wins. Some great moments, to be sure.
The University of Michigan athletics culture still adheres to the idea that college football is about hte student athlete.
Except it is not.
The NCAA is a sham. A complete lie. College football is a business. An NFL farm program. That's it.
I don't need some hipster photographer on Twitter to tell me "Michigan is way behind".
Any idiot can see how far Michigan college football has declined by simply taking a brief gander at ALL of the NFL football team rosters in 2019.
Ohio State and Wisconsin player dominate the landscape as far as Big Ten players in the NFL. Michigan players are just not evident in the same numbers. And that will still be the case going into 2020.
Michigan's football program is not producing NFL players. And every one now knows it.
https://thespun.com/college-football/the-15-colleges-with-the-most-play…
And if you think this doesn't affect college football recruiting, if you you don't think this fact is used for negative recruiting tactics by opponents, then I would say you are willfully ignorant of the current field play for top high school athletes. This field of play DOES include promises of NFL stardom with scrolls of past players to back it up, DOES include debt forgiveness for you and members of your family by no-name donors and clubs, that DOES include free loaner cars, discounts and other off the books perks, DOES include bags of cash, and DOES include sexually generous recruiting hostesses. How else do you get top tier athletes to spend 3 years in armpits of America like Colombus, Ohio?
Michigan is not only not on that field of play.
They're not even in the parking lot, zip code or solar system of that world.
This is why Michigan will continue to recruit good-enough players, finish 10-3 or 9-4 on average, with some 11-1 and 11-2 teams here and there. But never field consistently Elite Teams. For that you need to get down in the sewers and see Michigan become something it just never was.
Michigan will not be able to compete with Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma and LSU. Not anymore.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:50 AM ^
Even Wisconsin and Washing make that list in a tie with a few other teams....it's sad really
December 19th, 2019 at 9:51 AM ^
Michigan will not be able to compete with Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Oklahoma and LSU. Not anymore.
I agree with your overall sentiment that it's all about recruiting prowess and putting that talent into the NFL. However, I disagree with you that Oklahoma is on that level. UM has out-recruited Oklahoma for the majority of the JH era. Oklahoma had one better position, which unfortunately for us is the most important position...QB. They got fantastic QB play and we got above average QB play. They also don't have another elite team in their conference like OSU. UM could likely go 10-2 or 11-1 in the Big 12 most years like Oklahoma does. Oklahoma would get beat by OSU every year just like UM does.
It's no coincidence that only one team north of the Mason-Dixon line recruits at an elite level. OSU is the only school that can keep up with that. Everyone else is either in the SEC or is named Clemson. USC, Florida, FSU, etc. used to and still have the brand and location to do so, but have fallen on harder times with coaching changes. But, college football is now about Clemson, Bama, and OSU with a few others like UGA, Oklahoma, and LSU vying to get in. But, so far no one has been able to consistently dominate the way Bama, Clemson, & OSU have. It's a complete monopoly. My only hope is player compensation evens things out, but I have my doubts.
December 19th, 2019 at 10:05 AM ^
If we've been out-recruiting Oklahoma for the majority of the JH era, then that's a rather bleak indictment of our player coaching & development. I lay you odds that you put us up against Oklahoma every single year of JH's tenure and we lose the game big every time.
Oklahoma not only has grossly out-performed UM for the past 5 years on the field, but gets more out of their players and puts more in the NFL. And while Lincoln Riley has only played OSU once so far in his coaching career, he's 1-0 with a 31-16 win in Columbus back in 2017. So I don't think that they'd lose every year to OSU like we do.
And sorry but no, if we were in the B12, there's no way we're going 11-2, 11-2, 12-2, 12-2, 12-1 for the past five years.
December 19th, 2019 at 8:21 PM ^
If we've been out-recruiting Oklahoma for the majority of the JH era, then that's a rather bleak indictment of our player coaching & development. I lay you odds that you put us up against Oklahoma every single year of JH's tenure and we lose the game big every time.
I do think Oklahoma has done more with their recruiting than UM has. But, I also think Oklahoma would get beat every year by OSU and if they'd played in the B1G they'd never win a division or conference championship and they'd also lose to PSU several times. I really think it comes down to no OSU in the Big 12 and they did better at the QB position. All of their QBs are transfers. They didn't recruit any of them. Baker Mayfield was a generic 3-star. Kyler Murray was a transfer from A&M and Jalen Hurts was a transfer from Bama. Shea was ranked higher Murray and Hurts. Anyways, here are their comparative recruiting rankings the past few years with season records from the year prior in parenthesis:
2020
UM: #10 (9-3)
OK: #12 (12-1)
2019
UM: #8 (10-3)
OK: #6 (12-2)
2018
UM: #22 (10-3)
OK: #9 (12-2)
2017
UM: #5 (8-5)
OK: #8 (11-2)
2016
UM: #8 (10-3)
OK: #19 (11-2)
UM Ave: #10.6
OK Ave: #10.8
December 19th, 2019 at 9:27 AM ^
Hire Mello219 to do hype vids. The end.
December 19th, 2019 at 9:52 AM ^
Culture and marketing are the two things that Michigan does best. That absolutely requires no improvement.
Recruiting has never been an issue. Sure, they aren't getting the same level of 4 and 5 stars other schools are, but Michigan is consistently pulling in top 10-15ish classes.
It is 100 percent on the coaches to take this very good talent and elevate it, as that is what marks a good coach. And our coaches have not done that yet, period. There is absolutely no reason, with the talent, resources, and culture of this program, that they should not be CONSISTENTLY battling for the B10 and the playoff.
In college sports, more than anywhere else, a great coach can make a program great, even with lesser talent. This guy hasn't done it yet.
December 19th, 2019 at 10:27 AM ^
uncle leo......You're an Adonis !!
December 19th, 2019 at 11:28 AM ^
Technically they are consistently contending for the Big Ten title. Three of the five years that Harbaugh has been here, they've gone into the OSU game with a chance to go to Indy (in 2015, MSU had to lose and we had to beat OSU, but that still counts). But that's not really the point, I suppose.
I think Michigan faces a multi-faceted problem.
1) Michigan recruits well and usually develops the talent pretty well. Occasionally there's some misses, occasionally some guy outperforms his recruiting ranking, but overall I think the development is there. OSU takes top 50-100 guys and develops almost all of them into all conference / All-American types of players. We recruit and develop well. They recruit and develop even better in both areas. That's not the end all / be all, but it hurts Michigan's chances for sure.
2) Probably the biggest hurdle to overcome, in my opinion, but the psychological hurdle. Michigan has to overcome 20 years of heartache, misery, gut-wrenching last minute losses or humiliating blowouts. And that weight on their shoulders gets heavier every year. Meanwhile, OSU can ride into this game cool, collected and confident, all but certain of the outcome because that's all they've ever known. I would never say that Michigan players are afraid of OSU players themselves. I highly doubt that. But I bet you they're terrified of making mistakes against OSU. Because when one happens, all of the thoughts of "oh here we go again" come flooding in, and that causes them to play tight and make even more mistakes. When Michigan makes one mistake in this game, its safe to bet another mistake is coming right behind it. And then that mistake turns into an OSU TD. And then another, and then before you know it, you look up at the scoreboard and you're down 21-3.
3) I believe this game is important to Michigan. I have no doubt that Harbaugh and Co. want to beat OSU. But I think OSU collectively wants it more, and they sure as hell play like it. To me, Michigan wants this as badly as possible, but within the confines of this being "just a game." Which....technically, football is just a game. OSU wants this as badly as possible, but to me, they seem to play like losing means they're being sent out to a firing squad after the game. This is their life's purpose, and until Michigan can match that intensity....I don't know how they win.
December 19th, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^
Whyyyyyyyyy?
Dont give this douche the attention he craves. He may be good at his job but its clear hes no longer with the program because hes an egotistical asshole.