Michigan's RPI takes a big hit in Maui

Submitted by Maizen on

From an RPI perspective, Maui is going to be a total disaster for Michigan. Always a chance the Wolverines are better served building confidence and chemistry, but an LSU loss and D-II non-win will anchor a bubble Michigan team. https://t.co/leebCWfofn

— Zach Shaw (@_ZachShaw) November 22, 2017

Occam's Razor

November 22nd, 2017 at 9:17 AM ^

John Beilein has shown time and time again that he can overcome those "massive ifs" by the time the Big Dance rolls around. 

People also forget that there was significant coaching turnover for the team this past summer. The new coaches are going to have to make sure their practices are sharpened as the year goes on. 

caup

November 22nd, 2017 at 2:19 AM ^

...and of course came crashing back to Earth vs ND.  They had open 3 and after open 3 after open 3 early in their game vs ND.

How many did they make, you ask?  0 for 7 to start the game, and by the time they finally hit a fucking trey the rout was on. 

The LSU player who scored double-digit points and suffocated Robinson on D last night badly sprains his ankle literally 30 seconds into the game.

Last night's Demonte "Allen Iverson" Waters looked like just another typical frosh tonight.

LSU looked like a completely different team, and it had little to do with ND's defense.

WTF.

ST3

November 22nd, 2017 at 3:13 AM ^

You didn't watch the game? I saw one comment about the game that mentioned the Harlem Globetrotters and I just nodded my head. LSU drove the lane repeatedly and chucked up shots from their ankles that went in. It was a fluke performance, but of course it happened against us.

Zenogias

November 22nd, 2017 at 8:11 AM ^

We went through this all last year. Michigan shot 26% from three; LSU shot over 40%. How often do with think Michigan is gonna get outshot by 14% from three? And these were largely *not* wide open, easy looks. They hit a bunch of contested threes with hands in their face. And Michigan forced them to make a bunch of trick shots from two as well. They made them. It sucked.

So yeah, Michigan should have beaten LSU even with all that, but it's basketball, so shit just happens sometimes. If Michigan hits a normal percentage of three pointers and LSU doesn't make damn near everything they throw at the backboard, Michigan has an insurmountable lead going into those final critical minutes. Instead, they left the door open just a little bit, and didn't play well enough to seal the deal.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 22nd, 2017 at 1:39 AM ^

That is inarguable.  But there's also a hell of a lot of season left to play.  There's no need to panic right now.  And I'd bet a lot of money that this team improves as the year goes on.  Most of the players are just getting acquainted right now.

BigBlue02

November 22nd, 2017 at 11:45 AM ^

I mean, Maizen was calling for Beilein to be fired in the middle of B10 play last year, so it’s never too early for him to bitch and complain about absolutely nothing. He made this same argument last year. It’s concern trolling at its best. Complain about RPI and then when we make the tournament easily because the team gets better (as they always do), go radio silent until you can bitch about not getting highly ranked recruits. Then when Beilein gets highly ranked recruits, you go radio silent until you can bitch about something else. Maizen is by far the worst poster on the board

B-Nut-GoBlue

November 22nd, 2017 at 2:58 AM ^

For one...this isn't news. Two, LSU apparently lost big tonight against ND. Well, that sucks and we likely would've lost to ND too but the hit on our RPI by playing D-II garbage does suck, I agree. I still maintain (from last night) LSU is a 15 win team this year, hardly the barely 10 win team from a year ago. We'll see, though. Three...we will improve and once again be anywhere from a 5 to 12 seed quality team but our SOS via the shitty RPI makes us an 8 or 9 seed. We win games we should lose and we lose games we should win (hey, already happening!).

ToledoWolverine

November 22nd, 2017 at 2:57 AM ^

Who gives a rats fuck about RPI 5 games in? Take a good look at the team now, come February it will look completely different. November RPI means about as much as who is leading for the heisman in September. Meaningless. 100% meaningless.

B-Nut-GoBlue

November 22nd, 2017 at 3:08 AM ^

Do you understand RPI?! Win games and get in, sure. Except this team isn't going to win 28 games and not have to worry. There are going to be growing pains and we are going to lose more "should won, wish we would've won" games throughout the next few months. Hell, Penn State right now is looking like a very tough out, amongst the rest of our difficult non-250+-RPI-rated teams. And then it's, welp hope we win 12 Big10 games. RPI is a season-long thing. Chaminade W vs a ND loss is actually bad according to the arcaic RPI. Argue the merit of RPI but that's what the fucking committee still uses. So yea...that's why people are concerned. Last year we were a playing like a 5-seed caliber team and look what the RPI got us. C'mon.

WorldwideTJRob

November 22nd, 2017 at 5:23 AM ^

We've played 4 games...and yet people are already saying how many games we cannot win. We still have plenty of games coming up to make up for this. I remember an elite 8 team losing to Charlotte in a holiday tournament and a Final 4 team losing to a bad PSU team. People have to relax, this is not Football where 1 loss could derail the season. Yes the LSU loss looks worse now, but a convincing win over a potentially decent VCU team will help boost the RPI back up.

Maize and Blue…

November 22nd, 2017 at 11:14 AM ^

3-2 and playing in the 5th/6th place game in a tournament that is pretty weak,  Your decent and my decent are two different things.  We still have four major anchors left on the schedule and of our four wins one is against a D2 school and the other 3 don't have a win againsta D1 opponent.  Gotta love that bottom of the barrel scheduling regularly done during JB's tenure.

ToledoWolverine

November 22nd, 2017 at 10:50 AM ^

We are 4-1. .500 in the Big Ten and 20 +- 2 wins and we get in the tournament. If anything I am encouraged at this point, Matthews is a scorer, dude can fill it up. Feels like the type of player that can get hot for a week or two and carry a team by himself. Couple that with Mo being capable of the same thing and we can be a very dangerous team. Once Coach B works out the lineup/rotation this team will be good to go. Worrying about RPI in November is silly.

ST3

November 22nd, 2017 at 3:34 AM ^

I made a comment about RPI last night after the game. I'd just like to mention to the folks that disagreed with me that they are on the same side as Maizen. They were correct, but still, Maizen. And by the way, this is a horrible post. Maizen claims the RPI will take a big hit. That begs the question, "how big?" Well, Maizen, can you tell us how big the hit is from not playing one extra game (out of ~30+) against a team expected to have a good winning percentage? What are the winning percentages of ND's opponents, because that also matters. This post is rubbish and the OP should feel bad for whining like a little bitch who adds zero quantitative analysis to this discussion.

bronxblue

November 22nd, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^

Michigan doesn't quite have as robust an OOC as MSU did last year, but they lost to Northeastern in the OOC slate.  That team was 114.  LSU probably won't be any worse.

As always, there are people here who like to complain for no good reason.  This is absolutely a bad loss in that Michigan lost to a team they should be better than.  But it astounds me that people get so worked up about OOC games when it comes to a bubble and sort of ignore the conference losses that tend to weigh even more.  Like, Michigan was on the bubble last year because they lost to OSU and Illinois and, until late, didn't have a big scalp in the conference slate.  Sure, losing to LSU isn't optimal, but this season is so long how you play in game 4 doesn't really matter, and people who say otherwise just want to get a reaction.

Year of Revenge II

November 22nd, 2017 at 5:28 AM ^

I do not agree with the word "anchor". Nothing has to anchor this team. It is capable of some very big wins, and if they get them, LSU and Chaminade will be nothing but memories.

Last year's team made great improvment during the year; this team is primed to do the same.