Michigan's All Time Team

Submitted by TruBluMich on March 22nd, 2022 at 10:17 AM

An ESPN article for each team in the Sweet 16 inspired this post. It's the type of article that really gets people talking and or complaining about who was on or off the list. Perfect for a slow day at work.

They listed Burke, Rose, Rice, Russell, and Webber for Michigan. That's a pretty dangerous combo and arguably the top 5 players, but not sure how well it would work together.

My team, would be:

  1. Trey Burke
  2. Glen Rice
  3. Cazzie Russell
  4. Juwan Howard
  5. Chris Webber

Bench (No Specific Order)

  • Jalen Rose
  • Rudy Tomjanovich
  • Nik Stauskas
  • Bill Buntin
  • Campy Russell
  • Mike McGee
  • Nik Stauskas
  • Gary Grant
  • Bennie Oosterbaan
  • Rumeal Robinson
  • Hunter Dickinson

 

M Ascending

March 22nd, 2022 at 2:25 PM ^

Totally agree that Grant should be on the starting team.

And,  maybe I'm the only one here old enough to have seen him play at Michigan, but there's no way that Rudy T. should not be on the starting 5. Sorry, Juwan.

Finally,  how the hell is Phil Hubbard not even on the list?? His jersey is in the rafters Fer God's Sake. 

kjhager444

March 22nd, 2022 at 11:41 AM ^

I'm too young to remember Gary Grant, but I looked up big ten player stats over the course of the last decade (long story short, Illinois fans suggesting they would take Ayo on an all big ten team over every guard except Burke and D'angelo Russell) and Burke's stats hold up really well.  Coupled with the NPOY, he would be pretty hard to keep off the floor, even if there are legit reasons to put Grant in.  

kjhager444

March 22nd, 2022 at 1:11 PM ^

Yeah, I guess I'll put it differently.  Recency bias is very real, and tends to cloud people's judgements (there was an awful clickbait article that put both LeBron and AD on an "all lakers" team which is insane). 

I sometimes forget how good Burke was while he was at Michigan, and his stats stand the test of time- not just because he played here in the past 10 years.  He was legitimately phenomenal.  That's all I was really trying to point out.  

DennisFranklinDaMan

March 22nd, 2022 at 3:05 PM ^

On the other hand, those of us old enough to remember when Grant led Michigan to a victory over Indiana in Bloomington in I think 1985, when we had lost there, like, 10 years in a row, will never forget it. That team -- perhaps that game -- signified that Michigan was back after 4-5-6 years in the desert, and it was all about Gary Grant.  Yeah, those two second-round tournament losses (both, I think, as a 2 seed) were disappointing, but damn those teams were fun.

(Never more so than the nationally televised game 1987 against Indiana, here).

BoFan

March 22nd, 2022 at 2:04 PM ^

Grant definitely.  
 

The biggest mistake on ESPN’s list is the coach. Steve Fischer was a terrible coach. He didn’t even coach. He recruited and then just let them play.  That’s why the fab five was severely out-coached in both finals.  

Orr, Frieder, Beilein, and Howard are all much better coaches.  

jmblue

March 22nd, 2022 at 3:51 PM ^

Fisher went to three national title games in five years.  It's hard to do that if you're not a good coach.  He also went on to have an excellent run at SDSU.

Severely out-coached?  1992 Duke was one of the greatest teams in NCAA history and that game was actually close for about 35 minutes before we wore down and Duke took over.  

Then UNC . . . that was a coinflip game (they were also a #1 seed).  We won a squeaker over them in the regular season and lost one in the tourney.  Just one of those things.

We might add that he won it all in '89, something no other Michigan coach has done.  In that tourney he not only beat a UNC squad that had eliminated us the two previous seasons (under Frieder's watch), but also beat an Illinois team that had embarrassed us twice in the regular season (also under Frieder).  I don't think that team would have cut down the nets with Frieder still there.  Frieder's teams consistently disappointed in March.

BoFan

March 24th, 2022 at 2:23 PM ^

You have to look at Fischer’s coaching history. He was a high school coach and then long term assistant responsible for recruiting. I agree the Frieder wasn’t any better. Orr and Beilein were great coaches.  The knock on Fischer is he wasn’t an x and os guy at all.  He was only a recruiter.  He was publicly known for showing up in ‘89 and just letting them play and the players won the game. That’s well known.  He next had two bad years then recruited the greatest class in history and went to two finals.  It was well known he wasn’t an x and o guy and you could see him getting out coached. Even the fab five said he just let them use their talent to win games. He won at san diego state for two reasons. At a small school like that, if you can recruit a couple of great players to play in a 2nd tier league you are going to win a lot of games. Over time, he also definitely had to learn more about strategy and tactics. Fischer is the one responsible for the time out.  And by the way, he was on watch when Michigan got sanctioned and the program spent 10 years in Bolivia. 
 

Until Beilein…The guy who had to win games without the best recruits. Beilein by far. 

Blue in Paradise

March 22nd, 2022 at 10:31 AM ^

These are probably two of my three favorite players in M history, but freshman year Rose was better than freshman year Juwan.

However, junior year Juwan may have been the 2nd best I have ever seen at Michigan (Glenn Rice's 1989 season was #1).  He almost won that Arkansas game by himself - if he would have gotten a 3rd foul in the first half of that game, we would have lost by 30 points.

Double-D

March 22nd, 2022 at 11:45 AM ^

Jalen Rose was the primary reason the Fab Five made NCAA tournament runs.

Not to diminish what Webber and Howard did but Jalen’s work as the QB of the team was phenomenal.

He didn’t turn the ball over and he ran the offense.  He scored when needed, rebounded, and played great D. As a 6’ 7” lefty PG he was a huge problem for teams.

Webber was a better overall player at his position but PG is the key position especially for a tournament run. 

JMo

March 22nd, 2022 at 10:42 AM ^

So to me it comes down to are we just lining up players and stats, or is this some sort of 2022 hypothetical tournament of all time players. If it's the latter, then we're talking about a game that is faster, less physical (than a 1960's game), and REQUIRES the 3 ball. Maybe Mo has a little bit of an argument there.  But ultimately, I'm with you, I don't know how he cracks in the lineup. And for my money, and team below, if that's the scenario, gimme Franz over Mo. Better D. Better handle. Similar shot (maybe a bit streakier). And he's 7' now!