March Madness Thread

Submitted by three_honks on March 24th, 2024 at 2:27 PM

In the early game, Marquette defeats Colorado 81-77

It surprises me how many teams down 4 points with time about to expire play to lose.

Down 4 with 7 seconds left, Colorado inbounds the ball in the backcourt, lolligags down the court, and jacks a 3 with time expiring.

Conversely, I've seen Brad Stevens do it in a way that gave his team a chance to win.  Yes, there is a chance of a full or near full length court pass being intercepted.  But it's less than the sure chance of running out the clock. Short of a boneheaded foul on the defense, you have to score twice.

One way to minimize the time off the clock would have been to inbound a pass over half court and THEN take the time out.  But given that the timeout was misused, the other is to take the lesser risk of the full court pass.  You have to score with time remaining on the clock, and it's best to try to save as much as possible.

mi93

March 24th, 2024 at 2:32 PM ^

Marquette got the better whistle, and at very consequential moments.  Even SVG pointed out bad calls, and commentators are never that unequivocal.

Still a good game, and yeah, CU blew it late rather than MU really winning it.

three_honks

March 24th, 2024 at 2:36 PM ^

Another interesting situation was the Colorado rebound that bounced a couple of times in the front court and then was in the air above the backcourt having crossed the half-court plane.

The Colorado player leaped from the front court and batted it to another Colorado player who was straddling the half-court line.

There was no need for the leaping Colorado player to do that, but by doing so, I wonder if he established front court possession, which would then trigger an over-and-back when caught by the Colorado player straddling the half court line.

I think the answer is no (the officials got it right), as it takes three things for front court possession:

  • both feet must be (have touched) in the front court, and
  • the ball must be across the half court plane

Obviously the ball usually enters the front court by crossing the plane toward the offensive basket.  But in this case, I think the ball crossing the plane into the backcourt before being possessed saved Colorado  from an over-and-back.

mi93

March 24th, 2024 at 2:53 PM ^

If Edey doesn't touch the ball in the low post on every half court possession for the first 10 minutes, PU deserves to lose again.

Nervous Bird

March 24th, 2024 at 2:54 PM ^

It was Marquette who almost blew the game. They had a solid lead for virtually the entire game, but a few bad shots and a couple defensive lapses on some 3 pointers let the Buffaloes back in it. The game shouldn't have come down to the final minute. Marquette hit a couple of big shots late. They definitely 'won' it.

mi93

March 24th, 2024 at 2:58 PM ^

I don't know.  CU had lots of good looks in the first half that just didn't drop.  Second half they played better D (except on Kolek who seems like the prototypical Duke guard that's so hateable) and shots started dropping.  They just couldn't get enough going to push into a decent lead.

Regardless, I'm glad M didn't wait around to try to hire Smart.  MU's entire offense is drive and kick.

Nervous Bird

March 24th, 2024 at 3:18 PM ^

Yeah, the Buffs never did stop Kolek from going left. He was good down the stretch.

Smart would have been a great hire too... if he would have been available. He's in a good spot, and building good teams while basically being at home. I doubt he ever leaves Marquette, especially if he wins big.

KSmooth

March 24th, 2024 at 3:18 PM ^

You need two scores with less than ten seconds to get them.  Not impossible -- I've seen it happen, but only once in the last ten years or so.  You need your opponent to screw up badly at least once and probably twice by fouling, turning the ball over, or giving up an easy bucket. 

There is no good strategy here.  You basically need a bonehead play and a miracle.  The "lolligagging" was probably a guard looking for a quick bucket that wasn't there.

mi93

March 24th, 2024 at 3:29 PM ^

Amazing to think Purdue has the most B1G MBB titles, a winning record against every B1G school, a 3x all-American who's the namesake of the POY award...

and 0 NCAA titles.

Nervous Bird

March 24th, 2024 at 3:32 PM ^

Utah St was playing well. They let a couple of Edey plays cause them to panic. They started rushing shots, taking bad ones, and now this game has gotten away from them. I think I just heard Rod Moore call 'game'.

WorldwideTJRob

March 24th, 2024 at 3:33 PM ^

SVG with a great point…coaches will bench a player with 2 fouls with 1 minute left before halftime but will magically bring him back with 20 minutes left in the 2nd half as if there is a huge difference.

Nervous Bird

March 24th, 2024 at 3:46 PM ^

It's a great point if you're using analytics. However, just like analytics in football, the fatal flaw is that analytics can't account for momentum of a game and psychology of players/teams. If you use more than half of your allotment before half of the game is over, you feel as if you're at a deficit. Then, you become either tentative or more reckless. 

See Campbell - NFC Championship Game

Hensons Mobile…

March 24th, 2024 at 3:55 PM ^

I'm all for context rather than strict, slavish devotion to a standard. That's why auto-bench is dumb.

If you pick up two fouls in the first five minutes, it makes sense to sit and take a break and settle down. But you don't need to sit for 15 minutes to do that.

As this site's proprietor used to point out in the Beilein era, when you auto-bench a guy for 10 minutes in the first half because he has two fouls, and then he ends the game with two fouls and only plays a total of 27 minutes as a result, you fouled yourself out.

It drove me nuts in the championship game when Burke had to sit for almost the entire first half because he picked up two quick fouls. The only reason I don't lament it too much is because Spike ended up having his crazy explosion.

rice4114

March 24th, 2024 at 4:42 PM ^

Ill say this forever. Only coaches can bench players with less than 5 fouls. The refs can only bench you at 5. If you need to bench then do it on the 4th then you sit (if you must) that player until crunchtime. That is it. My entire auto-bench policy. Come up with a different policy that keeps players on the court for more minutes? 

Hensons Mobile…

March 24th, 2024 at 4:11 PM ^

Hmm. The announcers just talked about how Danny Sprinkle took over a team with zero returning points and had to start from scratch. And SVG pointed out how he brought his staff and two players from Montana State so it wasn't really starting from scratch.

Sound like anyone you know?

MGoBlue96

March 24th, 2024 at 4:18 PM ^

Hard to trust any Purdue team in March but my gut tells me that this may be the one that finally makes a final four. I actually think Purdue, UConn and Houston are all going to make the final four if I had to guess at the moment. Purdue, Uconn, Houston and Zona would be my picks at the moment.

MGoBlue96

March 24th, 2024 at 4:37 PM ^

Honestly for all the talk about no dominant teams this year both Purdue and Uconn are a clear step above everyone else to me if they play their respective games. Houston and Arizona to a lesser extent. UNC is pretty eh to me though.

rob f

March 24th, 2024 at 5:14 PM ^

Other than Tiny Tommie, a couple other B1G coaches , plus Calipari, Pitino and Bill Self, I find very few basketball coaches as dislikable as Kim Mulkey at LSU.

I don't care how successful her coaching record is, I would never want her anywhere near the Michigan program in any capacity.