Luke Schoonmaker/tight ends held in check against Penn State.
Schoonmaker has been a favorite target of JJ’s. It seems like they are building chemistry, yet Luke didn’t have a catch Saturday. In fact, I don’t think any tight end caught a ball (except one that got wiped out by penalty). Was PSU doing something specifically to take away tight ends in the pass game? Given the dominance of the run game it hardly mattered, but still curious if the bright minds on this board saw something that might be edifying.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:07 AM ^
Yes, PSU wasn't tackling the running backs.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:33 AM ^
Frames: "Wait a minute! If we just let their RBs run free without tackling them, their TEs will fail to have any catches and cannot harm us. Brilliant!"
Me: "I can't believe this dipshit is making $7 million a year until 2050."
October 18th, 2022 at 11:39 AM ^
This is like that 2017 Minnesota game where the Gophers decided that the best way to stop our DL was to ignore Khaleke Hudson.
So yeah, our DL didn't exactly run rampant that game.
But Khaleke set program records. 15 tackles, 8 TFL, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble.
October 18th, 2022 at 2:42 PM ^
this is the game that suite holders i used to serve yelled out "we're scoring too fast" after either Higdon's long TD run or Evans' first long TD run... IIRC his son told him to shut up... lol
October 18th, 2022 at 11:53 AM ^
<<chef kiss dot gif>>
October 18th, 2022 at 10:10 AM ^
My guess would be that it was a function of PSU having their safeties play from the parking lot. When we did pass, it was quick stuff to fast guys who could punish them in space.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:29 AM ^
Now that you mention it, I thought it was rather interesting that I saw PSU players warming up near our tailgate. This makes sense, now.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:11 AM ^
All I know is that after that Eric All play last year they were probably keen on covering the TEs.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:12 AM ^
PSU lbers tried to stay in their zones, stay exactly where the te's would be. In the film review sessions we have devasted defenses trying to stop the rec and backs and hit the te in the open zone. Psu took that away keeping the lbers home and in their zones. Hence why they weren't flowing with the pulling lineman. IE get leveraged or get hit in the area you just vacated.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:20 AM ^
The TEs were tired from finishing their blocks on all of the explosive running plays. Great job by the TEs in this game. Catches for TEs only tell part of the story.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:22 AM ^
It appeared to all be game planned. Guessing it was a zig when they had planned for a zag.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:23 AM ^
There was one play were Luke was wide open in the middle and JJ forced a pass outside. Would have been a 15-yarder at worst.
Sidebar....This TE room is crazy exciting. Hibner, Loveland and Newsome running the ship? Very exciting.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:24 AM ^
M has an NFL style approach on offense where they build a game plan based on certain matchups they believe they can take advantage of. You will most likely see different receivers featured each week. They spread the ball around quite a bit.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:27 AM ^
this is unrelated. but i do miss Erick All. I think the dimension he adds in terms of a big fast pass catching TE down field isn't quite in the repertoire of the current TE group. Theyre all good, but.. he was really fun to watch and had some attitude with it too.
He's had a lot of injuries. If our TE room is as stocked as we think, I think he should get healthy and to the NFL next year. Another year of injuries and his NFL stock will be rock bottom.
To answer your question, I was curious about that, but we just ran over PSU and I think their guys may have been following our TEs to the peril of our RBs just running past their LBs.
There should be a ton of TE passes this weekend as msu loads up on the run and they break open all over.
October 18th, 2022 at 1:09 PM ^
I predict we don't complete any passes this weekend.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:29 AM ^
This is the natural evolution of defenses trying to find the soft spot on our offense.
JJ hit deep shots early in the season, so defenses moved back their safeties, opening up stuff in the middle. Schoonmaker feasted. Now the threats of JJ's legs and intermediate throws to Schoonmaker/Bell are pulling linebackers away from the box, but as PSU learned, you get Corum'd and Edwards'd in the face. Load up the box to deal with that, and you're back to square one.
JJ, Wilson, Bell, Schoonmaker, Corum. . . all of these Dudes are chain-movers, and that really spreads out a defense. The worst part for opposing DCs is that the offense is happily taking what they're giving, as opposed to "impose your will" lunacy. So you take one thing away, and we'll just pummel you with something else, because the weapons are everywhere.
This last point can't be understated. Us old fogies have seen multiple OCs come through Michigan that would be averaging 20ppg with this roster.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:46 AM ^
"Us old fogies have seen multiple OCs come through Michigan that would be averaging 20ppg with this roster."
Mike De-bored
Big Al B(lown up 2-pt play vs. OSU_
Doug nothing-meier
What a disaster!
October 18th, 2022 at 12:37 PM ^
Yep. It's why calls for "trust the coaches, they know better" rankle. Not that I think these guys are idiots, but no one's perfect and we've definitely had guys come through with glaring blind spots be it recruiting, game theory, or player development.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:30 AM ^
Held in check 😂
You should go back and relearn Coach Harbaugh’s most and least important statistics. 41-17
October 18th, 2022 at 10:51 AM ^
i mean, that kinda matters. but...
42-27.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:33 AM ^
Pete,
It would be great to hear a reporter ask Harbaugh what he thinks the three key things are to a game. And, I can imagine his response. "It's similar to real estate. Final Score. Final Score. Final Score. Yes, I think those are the three most critical things in a game."
October 18th, 2022 at 12:57 PM ^
OK, but you do realize that's a response he calculated to sate the simpletons, right? To the team, it gets players to stop thinking about individual glory and instead focus on the end result. To the media and fans, it's a clickbait platitude that sounds cool and they like to hear it, but it's basically bullshit.
Football is a complicated sport. Only one stat matters? You can bet yer ass they've got staff poring over data like a Silicon Valley consulting firm! On offense alone you have to consider what the defense is taking away, what they're keying on, rotation, game theory, run/pass by down, are you tipping anything, is the defense tipping anything, opponent scouting, self-scouting. But he's not going to go through all of that when some quote-fishing reporter shoves a mic in his face, because that twit just wants to hear clickbait platitudes to throw into his pre-written article. So Harbaugh has these canned sound bites to make people go away.
October 18th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^
I guess, but Lloyd Carr's thoughtful response to Todd Harris should be treated as the gold standard in media relations to which all Michigan coaches should aspire.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:34 AM ^
OP's user name checks out. Is he Rainer Sabin? I wonder.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:38 AM ^
They held Brad Robbins in check all day long, too. Didn't get to punt once. Frustrating.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:46 AM ^
Yeah, he didn't even touch the stat sheet. We have to watch out for our next game. msu's punter is number 1 in the country. He may be their most important player. Sadly, I'm not exaggerating.
October 18th, 2022 at 12:06 PM ^
Just like Iowa.
October 18th, 2022 at 12:16 PM ^
Robbins didn't have a single punt inside the PSU 20. Disappointing.
October 18th, 2022 at 12:29 PM ^
Iowa fans scanned our box score and assumed we lost. Turns out that Not Punting is even more winning than Punting, though.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:44 AM ^
Given the dominance of the run game it hardly mattered
Replace “hardly” with “didn’t.” Then change to “matter.” All set.
October 18th, 2022 at 1:10 PM ^
I like myself as a pure energy being so I will not change to "matter", thank you very much.
October 18th, 2022 at 10:52 AM ^
Well they got 1 part of their gameplan right. The only dam thing they did right.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:01 AM ^
Frames and Diaz were more worried about JJ completing passes than the running attack. The plan didn't work out well. Now, with MSU, they will focus on the running game no doubt, because they can't cover in the secondary worth a shit. JJ, the TEs and the WRs will get their yards next game. Wilson, Schoon and Bell may have career days.
October 18th, 2022 at 12:07 PM ^
This is what I think too: that MSU will load the box, sell out on the run, and blitz big time. I think that they will try everything they can to make JJ beat them with longer throws, ideally under pressure. I know he can do it, I sure hope Michigan is ready for that and makes it happen. There’s my feelings ball take.
given the above I’m truly puzzled why PSU didn’t try forcing JJ to make a deep throw seemingly at any point? Or maybe they did but Michigan just ran into it anyway? I’ll hang up and listen for the UFR.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:02 AM ^
As Klatt says- take the profit.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:07 AM ^
Schoon was showing how well he can block as a TE thus showing his value to nfl teams and securing him in the 2nd round
October 18th, 2022 at 11:34 AM ^
dastardly,
It would be great to see how the TE's executed blocking assignments on some of the runs by Corum, Edwards, and McCarthy. My guess - the position group, as a whole, did pretty well.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:11 AM ^
This is a good question. In the stuff I rewatched, I wasn't looking at this too closely, but I did note some stuff.
Penn State was really focused on attacking the edges when a man motioned across the LOS at the snap. If a TE or receiver was in motion when the ball snapped, PSU had a guy charging to that side of the field. This allowed them to cover a lot of Michigan's shallow routes in the flat, and also provided an extra defender to the play side in the event of an arc read keeper from JJ.
I suspect a lot of what is observed in the OP can be explained by this and related stuff. The Penn State defense attempted to take away a number of the things Michigan has shown it likes to do.
The problem they encountered is that this action also erased a defender from the point of attack on runs between the tackles, which everyone recalls had a tendency to be enormously successful.
Michigan saw what Penn State was doing and had the tools to exploit that. This is an important fact to remember when people complain about play calls and about game plans and such. A lot of people want the offense to take what the defense is giving them, to take advantage of weak spots, etc. They want active work by the OCs to attack. I want that stuff. And while I want more of that stuff downfield, they absolutely were doing that here.
October 18th, 2022 at 11:58 AM ^
Given the dominance of the run game it hardly mattered
October 18th, 2022 at 12:20 PM ^
I would've opted for bold font myself
October 18th, 2022 at 12:10 PM ^
It's been mentioned below but part of it was PSU sending pressure (which led to the TEs sometimes working through more bodies), PSU actively trying to take away the short TE passes, and McCarthy/UM realizing that meant there were fewer defenders to stop the run and taking advantage. PSU has two top corners and trusted them to work on islands so they could devote more resources to stopping the tight tends and the related passes, and it sorta worked for a bit but clearly wasn't sustainable.
October 18th, 2022 at 12:25 PM ^
I'm okay with this.
And if the RBs ever have an off game, then perhaps the TEs will have a field day because they're getting open underneath while the defense is stacking the box to defend the run.
October 18th, 2022 at 12:31 PM ^
They also had Wilson running little slants and the like into the part of the field where Schoon usually goes to work. I figured they'd bet on the TEs getting extra attention, and compensating in the game plan accordingly.
October 18th, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^
Yes, 418 yards on the ground. No need to throw to anyone, when your backs are going for 65 yards every time, they touch the ball.
October 18th, 2022 at 2:07 PM ^
I noticed that TEs were being closely guarded even on the 1st and 2nd drives. The short dump pass to Wilson down to the 5 on 3rd down was a great adjustment by our staff. All the more reason to realize that have great players and a great staff and great fans too (we don't cheer when someone goes down for the other team).
October 18th, 2022 at 2:14 PM ^
This is satire, right? You cannot be this dense.