John Beilein's most important recruit at M?
For me this is a tough question. I want to say Trey Burke and this is the way I am leaning, because without Trey they don't win a share of the BIG Title last season. Ok I will go with Burke.
Other top candidates IMO:
Manny Harris - Manny was in Beilein's first class and it was important to get Manny to remain committed to M
Zack Novak - I could easily choose Novak over Burke. Zack personified the program in his 4 fantastic years with the program. Novak was a major part of laying the groundwork of what is now one of the best basketball programs in the country.
Darius Morris - Beilein's first **** recruit, a kid from the west coast who helped M sweep MSU in his last season with the Wolverines
Mitch McGary - Beilein's first recruit to opt for the Wolverines over the top national programs like Duke, Carolina and Kentucky.
EDIT: overlooked Coltan Christian and added to 2010. I used RIvals list and he's not on it, but is on the Scout list.
The Candidates:
2007 | |
Name | Pos |
Kelvin Grady | PG |
Corperryale Harris | SG |
Martell Webb | SF |
2008 | |
Name | Pos |
Robin Benzing | PF |
Ben Cronin | C |
Stuart Douglass | SG |
Zack Novak | SF |
2009 | |
Name | Pos |
Blake McLimans | PF |
Jordan Morgan | PF |
Darius Morris | PG |
Matt Vogrich | SG |
2010 | |
Name | Pos |
Tim Hardaway | SG |
Jon Horford | PF |
Evan Smotrycz | SF |
Coltan Christian | PF |
2011 | |
Name | Pos |
Max Bielfeldt | PF |
Carlton Brundidge | SG |
Trey Burke | PG |
2012 | |
Name | Pos |
Spike Albrecht | PG |
Mitch McGary | C |
Glenn Robinson III | SF |
Nick Stauskas | SG |
Caris Levert | SG |
2013 | |
Name | Pos |
Mark Donnal | PF |
Zakarie Irvin | SG |
Derrick Walton | PG |
December 4th, 2012 at 12:23 PM ^
I think he's great, except his twitter blitzs'
December 4th, 2012 at 12:41 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 12:23 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 2:01 PM ^
I rated this as "insightful" because I think everyone needs to be reminded that discussions like these are neither interesting nor fun.
/s
December 4th, 2012 at 2:40 PM ^
the /s and you'd be 100% correct. ;)
December 4th, 2012 at 12:23 PM ^
Clearly it's Trey Burke. I love that kid. Too bad he will probably go to the NBA after this season.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:24 PM ^
David Brandon.
If a coach doesn't "recruit" DB, he or she is in for a short and stress-filled tenure.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:24 PM ^
Bacari Alexander, Jeff Meyer, and LaVall Jordan
December 4th, 2012 at 12:49 PM ^
stole my thunder!
December 4th, 2012 at 12:57 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 3:21 PM ^
Beilein's staff is collectively and individually awesome and a huge factor in how this team plays.
A lot of great kids have been brought in and, IMHO, Coach B's biggest recruit won't be known until their careers are over at Michigan and in full swing at the next level. I can see GR III blowing up in the NBA and impacting future UM recruits.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:24 PM ^
Started the new era of legitimacy around the country among AAU types
December 4th, 2012 at 12:26 PM ^
Novak--He really did a lot for this program and got us through some rough years. I don't know if the team would be in the same place today without him. He spent four years in the Beilein system and helped change the culture of the program.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:41 PM ^
Novak and Co. won a tourney game in their first season and went to the dance three times in four years. They went through the most successful run Michigan has had in a very long time. It looks like things may get even better but I would hardly characterize those years as rough.
December 4th, 2012 at 1:42 PM ^
That's a good point. I guess it just seemed rough because it felt like we had no star players. Harris was perpetually underperforming, Morris was good but we didn't really have any other weapons. Novak and Douglass just always seemed like the glue that held those teams together and made the Tourny runs possible.
I think Novak also catalyzed the culture shift to high energy/team basketball that has been fundamental for the team's success, with his leadership aneurysms and whatnot. This is obviously all just subjective though.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:48 PM ^
but totally reliant on Harris, Morris, and Burke to do the heavy-lifting.
This is like arguing Rob Horry was the most important Spur
December 4th, 2012 at 12:53 PM ^
with 3 seconds left and needed a 3pter
December 4th, 2012 at 1:01 PM ^
Sheeed, noooooooooo, don’t leave him Sheeeeeeedddddd……!!!!
December 4th, 2012 at 12:51 PM ^
I can't seem to focus on anything other than your avatar....
December 4th, 2012 at 12:25 PM ^
Mike Farrell
December 4th, 2012 at 12:25 PM ^
always like Darius. For the reason he seemed to start the upward trend of higher rated recruits. He was a great leader and really helped lead this team to being a tournament team and helped bring the excitement around Michigan Basketball again.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:25 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 PM ^
Beilein's first #@%! recruit. (That's how I read it...haha).
In all seriousness, Novak. He gave our program its spirit back.
December 4th, 2012 at 2:01 PM ^
i remember him as being more highly rated. but perhaps that was early in the process. i thought he was a borderline top 100 guy when morris was a 3 star.
December 4th, 2012 at 4:11 PM ^
With the way Manny went out it was really Morris and to a lesser extent Novak and Douglass that kept the team moving in a positive trajectory. I say lesser b/c Novak and Stu neeeded Morris more than vica-versa.
Morris was the guy who carried the team and made them relevant to future recruits (THjr, Burke..etc...etc). Then its snowballed. More importantly, Morris was NOT a typical Beilein player and shown Beilein's willingness to adapt his style (pick n roll O). This further attracted more high recruit type playerrs since it is a stable in the Pros.
Novak and Douglass were key ROLE players but not key RECRUITS. If Morris wasn't on those teams nobody would have ever heard of Novak and Douglass. UM wouldn't be ranked right now either.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:27 PM ^
Nathan Brink and it's not close.
No, I'll go with Darius Morris. For some reason, that felt like the signal to other recruits that it's okay for elite prospects to come here, and without Morris we don't have a 2010-11 season that suggests promise going forward.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:55 PM ^
Hey man, Brink is from the same school I am. He's a good guy.
December 4th, 2012 at 1:42 PM ^
Sorry... My post made more sense when there were two Nathan Brink threads right below this one. Everything I've heard suggests that Brink is a really good guy.
December 4th, 2012 at 2:06 PM ^
LOLZ. I rendered your comedy useless. (FWIW, I got the joke and it was hi-larious.)
December 4th, 2012 at 2:16 PM ^
is hi-larious above ha-larious or below? I can never remember. Guess I should have made flash cards.
December 4th, 2012 at 2:27 PM ^
Well, at the risk of putting words in Brian's mouth, the ranking in order of MGoImportance is below:
HI-larious >>> HILL-arious >>> Hilarious
HA-larious does not appear on our charts.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:28 PM ^
D Mo.. Then Burke
December 4th, 2012 at 12:28 PM ^
One of those two has to be the most important recruit.
Without an adequate foundation, a building can collapse. If you are not planning on building a foundation for a building then you have to have a lot of money in for perpetual repair work.
I'm assuming that the vast majority of fans want a program that allows for teams rather than sporadically successful teams. To build that program you have to start with a foundation. I don't think that there is any question that Zach and Stu are the most important recruits because they represent the foundation.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:43 PM ^
...tell us you were trying to be funny and/or make some sort of statement re: their combined importance by transposing the first and last names of the Stu and Zach...
December 4th, 2012 at 1:47 PM ^
Also, I'd have to say my favorite player on the team now is Trey Hardaway III.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:54 PM ^
so you are super cereal right now
December 4th, 2012 at 12:29 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 12:35 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 12:35 PM ^
I think Novak is definitely up there. He's the personification of Coach B's system. The only way I can describe him is as an overachiever. He wasn't the most athletic guy or most talented out there, but he was the toughest and did all of the little things, I almost liked watching Novak take a charge more than draining threes. He's the epitome of how far this program has come.
Novak may be the most important player, but as far as recruiting, I'd have to go with Darius Morris or Tre Burke. Those guys weren't typical Beilein recruits, being so elite, but they were the signal that not only does Michigan have guys like Novak and Douglass, your sharpshooting and hard working guards, but Michigan can attracte elite talent to.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:36 PM ^
I would say Darius Morris, an NBA talent choosing M combined with the team/Tournament success he led, gave us some needed legitimacy in the eyes of the recruits we're getting now.
I wouldn't be mad at Novak though (leadership, gave us a leg up in the Mitch/Spike, GR3 relationships)
December 4th, 2012 at 12:42 PM ^
Trey Burke.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:43 PM ^
Stu going for 20 against UCLA for our first big win was pretty huge. Couple that with him being our best perimeter defender, I'd say he has to be in the discussion as well.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:47 PM ^
This one is easy: Trey Burke. Kid is dynamite and was an overall 3-star. He goes to Ohio if the white kid isn't there. Played an instrumental role as THE GUY in getting us our first B1G regular season champ since I can remember.
If you are going by classes, however, this year's freshmen class wins hands down. I can't find the "miss" in this class.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:48 PM ^
Morgan, Novak would have been playing the center position instead of power forward. Without him, Michigan probably doesn't win the B1G or make the tournament. I think there's a good argument for Jordan Morgan
December 4th, 2012 at 12:49 PM ^
Keeping him committed was huge because it allowed for our first NCAA Tourney appearance in forever, and showed guys like Darius Morris and our latest recruiting class that the program was on a upswing.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:51 PM ^
It's not, but that seems to be the way this thread is going.
To me, it's Morris or Harris. They really carried a team with marginal talent to overacheive and pushed the program in a positive direction. I'd give the edge to Harris because he was there longer than Morris and at a more pivital time.
December 4th, 2012 at 1:42 PM ^
Manny Harris was not recruited by John Beilein
December 4th, 2012 at 1:49 PM ^
Harris originally committed to Amaker, but he then decomitted after Amaker was fired and Beilein was hired, and he had to be re-recruited by Beilein, after which he committed to Michigan again.
December 4th, 2012 at 12:54 PM ^
Sam Webb, though, has said that Morris's success at Michigan showed other PGs that they could thrive with Coach Beilein, and Michigan wouldn't have made the tournament in 2010 w/out him...Novak and Douglass did set the foundation, though, so I don't know. This is like asking me which of my (fictional) children is my favorite!