Jason Whitlock thinks Harbaugh is massively overrated
(LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxdfjOygYQQ)
The reason: He's hasn't beaten a loaded OSU and won a national championship in two years, that's why!!
I mean, forget the fact that Harbaugh was one 4th down call away from going to the Big Ten championship and the college football playoff, he's 0-2 against Urban Meyer so CLEARLY he's not worth the bucketloads of cash we're paying him.
Yeah ok gif.
WHY OH WHY DID CUTCLIFFE TURN US DOWN?!? NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH THIS FAILURE!!
/s
(If you ask me Whitlock is still butthurt over Brady Hoke failing after years of talking him up.)
... as a UM fan, he would know that already.
A proven D1 starter who played two seasons and then lost his job at Houston. I love O'Korn's attitude about being on this team and helping the squad out, but your opinion that a guy who cannot be the starter at Houston should be able to come in and win automatically at Michigan is flawed.
How quickly they forget history.
August 2nd, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^
What's your deal?
August 2nd, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^
Sorry, I put two and two together. If he came in and didn't lead us to a victory, your complaint would be the same. The point is, O'Korn did not give us a better chance to win that game against Iowa than an injured Speight. You are under the impression that he should have been because he was a former starter who had been coached by Harbaugh for two seasons.
My point was that he was a former D1 starter at Houston who had been replaced. Thinking that he should be able to come in and lead us to a win against Iowa simply based on him starting at an average at best football school for two seasons before being replaced and then being coached by Harbaugh is flawed.
Also, you bring up the MSU and OSU QB situations as reasons why we should have been okay, but let's actually look at it to see if the sitations are comparable. Both Barret and Jones were Meyer recruits who fit the system perfectly and were able to play at a young age because the offense is pretty simple to pick up. Tyler O'Connor was 7-12 for 89 yards when they beat Ohio State, essentially having no impact on them winning that game and was fairly similar to Speight's performance as a whole.
I realize that Speight had a bad game against Iowa when injured, but we didn't had the luxury of having three QB's all perfect for our system ready to throw out there, or have the good fortune to overcome 89 passing yards like Michigan State did. I assume things would be different this year with two guys Harbaugh feels comfortable with. Building up college football teams takes time. Relax.
If you haven't noticed, Morris's reshirt year will be played at Central, not Michigan. My understanding is that he was allowed to redshirt so he could grad transfer, not that he was redshirted to keep him around.
I hate feeding the trolls but here goes... Maybe it's because he knew he'd get better coaching at UM than anywhere else he goes even if he doesn't play at UM and would elsewhere?
Because he WANTED A MICHIGAN DEGREE!!
He's not going to the NFL so it doesn't matter what he does this year....he will walk away from all of this with a UM undergrad degree and likely a CMU grad degree into whatever he chooses to do for the rest of his life.
August 4th, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^
The coaches "wasted" resources doing right by a student athlete at Michigan. What a tragedy.
August 2nd, 2017 at 10:19 AM ^
Maybe, just maybe, the thought process was something along the lines of:
2 yrs. of Harbaugh > 2 yrs. of CMU coach &
UM degree > CMU degree &
UM undgergrad degree + CMU grad degree >>>>> CMU undergrad degree
Just a hunch.
August 2nd, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^
August 2nd, 2017 at 12:25 PM ^
Not to mention the weight that a Michigan degree carries
LOL yeah that's what happens when I am typing too fast without contacts on.
hrewt
Harbaugh relates excellently with teenagers.
August 2nd, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^
Hrewt! We Har-Baugha in gear-dagum
theod-cyninga, thrym gefrunon,
hu tha wolveringas ellen fremedon!
August 2nd, 2017 at 10:09 AM ^
Recruiting has not been high level for 6 years. As Brady Hoke's ship sank, recruiting fell through the floor. This is why they're relying on a bunch of frosh and sophs this year. Hoke couldn't recruit Offense in general- QB,WR, RB or OL.
You should also stop drinking and go to bed.
Look everyone, Pete Thamel has an account on MGoBlog now!
I don't think you understand the phrase, "Don't shoot the messenger."
When I posted a message on a message board and used the phrase, "don't shoot the messenger" to deflect the hate and outrage of the angry mob but later in the same posted message I used a different phrase about "the ledge" to indicate a possible overreaction on my part as well as to invite reassuring post from others, it became obvious that I clearly don't understand the phrase I used.
I guess I should also feel bad about myself because my independent thoughts are different from other people's opinions.
Perhaps you should let Harbaugh's recruits start going through the system before you are about to jump off of the ledge. He took Hoke's underperformiong recruits and did pretty well? People in today's society always want instant results. Give the guy time. We'll have a good squad this year. But starting next year is when we will start to see perennial Harbaugh teams.
I want my team to win as much as you do. I also realize that 4 years is a pecieved span to give a coach to get his system in place and see results. My only point is that we lost a lot of talent this year and and will be replacing a lot of starters. Thus, I feel are chances of winning the conference are statistically less than last year, which we didn't win.
So, if we don't win this year, which is reasonable given the circumstances, that will leave next year as the last year in the 4 year period. James Franklin won the B1G in three years, so did Urban Meyer who also won the NC. On MGoBlog, People are outraged that I would think that Harbaugh would be held to the same standard. I guess I don't understand why.
I would think this would be interesting to discuss on this blog. It's certainly something I've thought about. But it seems that having a different opinion on here, even when it's not actually offensive or insulting to anyone, is not welcome on MGOBLOG. Too much tolerance and moral outrage I guess. No room for discussing different ideas.
I'm not sure you understand the phrase "don't shoot the messenger". That phrase impies you are relating information from some other source, not giving the board your #hottake on Harbaugh being a failure.
I cannot believe this is even a train of thought right now. Two 10-3 seasons after being lost in the woods since The Game in 2006.
The school will give him a very long leash. RichRod and Hoke, for better or for worse, set the bar on what you need to do to get fired. I would be shocked if Harbaugh ever sinks to that level, unless he pulls a Bowden or JoePa and coaches until he doesn't know what day of the week it is and regularly shits his pants. In order for that to happen, he would have to win a NC or two first.
But it's a valid question to ask how many years without a win over OSU or a B1G championship are acceptable. Two? Five? Ten? That question will likely never figure into Harbaugh's job security, but it will figure into his legacy and whether or not people look back on him as an elite coach.
That's the kind of reply I was hoping to get. If Harbaugh went 0-5 or 0-7 with OSU there would have to be some sort of change, right? That would make us 1-17 or 1-19. I would assume that won't be the case but also feel like we're still a few years away from being where we all want to be.
August 2nd, 2017 at 10:13 AM ^
the program was a mess when he got here. You realize we were an awful 5-7 football team before he took over. We have gone 20-6 in the two years since he's been here, a dramatic turn around. It usually takes a coach 4-5 years to completely implement what he wants and get his recruits across the board.
Yes we have a bit of a rebuild, but should still have a very good season. Next year we could be competing for the NC. People need to have a little patience.
August 2nd, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^
Sometimes the general bloody mindedness of the universe conspires to make you feel sad. We were zero to six inches from the Big Ten East title, probably beating Wisconsin, and making the CFP last year. Where I don't think we beat either of the teams who made the title game, but still impressive in year two.
Or if Speight doesn't get hurt, we probably win both of those games. Remember how close they were.
It's definitely frustrating that we couldn't catch a break after the last decade of pain, but that stuff should even out under Harbaugh long term. Which means once we're as talented up and down the roster as the true national powers we should win our fair share of championships. Unfortuantely this year that's going to take phenomenal luck with injuries, we won't have the talented depth until next fall.
I'm confident that if we had a better Oline last year we would have gone to the NC. That was my biggest concern to start last year and am hopefull the new coach will be the piece we were missing to make real strides.
August 2nd, 2017 at 11:17 AM ^
Not one of which was an O-lineman. I thank those young men for their service. But the fact is last year's team was held back only by (1) a deficient offensive line, and (2) a late injury to the starting QB. Those two things cost M the win at OSU. When the O-line is back up to Michigan standards, Michigan will have arrived. But not until. And two years isn't enough time to turn over an O-line.
It also cost us at Iowa. Hopefully the new coach right's the ship.
August 2nd, 2017 at 11:42 AM ^
of the 10 years before Harbaugh.
Lloyd hasn't 'won' anything since '97......
tressel is taking Lloyd to the wood shed too often......
Lloyd is not winning bowl games........
Its time to turn our back on a coach with a .700 winning percentage and start a new era....
Yeah that really workd out well....
I am sure that I will figure out a way to wake up in each morning even IF Michigan "only" has a 10-3 or 9-4 season this year without a Big Ten title*****
*****I'm in the camp that Michigan will do a similar repeat of what OSU did last year, the talent is there...... The East Division will come down to The Game and Michigan will prevail....
Wrong.
Half of Harbaughs tenure at that point? Here I will project for you. Harbaugh makes it to Penn St this year undefeated. This means he still has less losses 34 months after his hire than the 4 months before his hire. Think about that for a second.
Also if we beat Florida and beat who we should all our starters will have a minimum of a half season of experience under their belt going into the tough part of our schedule. That is enough to keep us in our games and give us a good shot to win.
Don't give him clicks.
August 2nd, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
The more a video is watched, the higher it shows up in searches, posters get paid, etc. OPs need to not post stuff to give clicks to Whitlock and other trolls. Unless maybe those OPs are trolls themselves trying to get clicks.
I don't expect us to. But I would put the odds of it happening at higher than us going 8-4. Jim Harbaugh knows how to make the most out of his talent. And he has been recruiting at the highest level for the past two years. We have a team that isn't as green as everyone thinks it is, and the new kids have been hand picked by one of the best in the game at identifying and coaching up talent.
I still think 10 wins is the over/under. A couple breaks @Wisconsin and vs OSU and we could absolutely win the B1G.