James Franklin pokes the bear

Submitted by GoBlue96 on October 10th, 2023 at 1:40 PM

Keep talking James.  See you in happy valley.

https://twitter.com/Joel_Haas1/status/1711785954984558617

 

https://twitter.com/bluebyninety/status/1667149405898649600

 

Harball sized HAIL

October 10th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^

Well - "here are the receipts", as they say for OOC games:

Franklin has been HC since 2014 and PSU has played - Pitt (x4), Auburn (x2), WVU this yr. - 7 games vs P5 teams.

Also - Temple (x3), Akron (x2), Buffalo (x2), Kent St. (x2), U Mass (x2), App. St., Army, Ball St., Central Fla, Central Mich, GA St., Ohio, SDSU, and three D-II teams - Delaware, Idaho, & Villanova.

Harbs has been HC since 2015 and we have played - ND (x2), Colorado, UF, Oregon St., Utah, Washington - 7 games vs P5 teams.  Plus we played BYU & Cinci which are now P5.

Also - Hawaii (x2), UNLV (x2), Western Mich (x2), Air Force, Army,  Bowling Green, Central Fla., Colorado St., UConn, E. Carolina, Middle Tenn St., N. Illinois, SMU.  Zero D-II teams.

And I'm pretty sure it's understood that coaches might have some input on schedules but not that much and the Covid year and the UCLA series could not be re-scheduled.  Franklin can really fuck all the way off on this one.

NittanyFan

October 10th, 2023 at 6:54 PM ^

FWIW - the exact text of the question and answer is below. 

Franklin should name teams instead of vaguely saying "there's a team in this conference" and "another team" ----- but as I read this, Indiana is the team referred to in paragraph 1, and Michigan in paragraph 4.

I'll criticize myself: I believed the Twitter quote and replied elsewhere in this thread before doing any further reading on my own.  But after getting the FULL quote, IMO this is rather clearly not him criticizing Michigan.

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Q. Last month, you were asked about scheduling teams like Delaware and you said there was pretty good data to suggest that scheduling like that in the non-conference helps teams win championships and get to the playoff. Do you see that approach to non-con scheduling changing or staying the same with a 12-team playoff arriving soon?

A: Yeah, I would say there's a team in this conference, specifically, that's buying out of a ton of game contracts that are already signed, to go in the complete opposite direction. No, I don't think it's changed.
 
I would say you could even make the argument it's magnified and that's why people are changing their schedules because you look at who people are going to have to play, just in our conference, it's going to be even more challenging than it's ever been. 
 
I don't think the philosophy or the model has changed. You've got to do whatever you possibly can to give yourself a chance, number one, to be undefeated at the end of the season, to your point, with a bigger playoff, there's probably a little bit more wiggle room in terms of, right now it's kind of undefeated or at-most one loss, and then on top of that, if you're not scheduling to be undefeated, you're scheduling to have the least amount of losses possible to give yourself a chance to be in the Playoffs. 
 
There's another team in this conference that has had a ton of success the last couple years, and again, I think it would follow the same argument. So no, I don't think so, and from the ADs and head coaches and people I've talked to, if anything, I think it magnifies it even more. 

Hensons Mobile…

October 10th, 2023 at 7:28 PM ^

There's another team in this conference that has had a ton of success the last couple years, and again, I think it would follow the same argument.

This still amounts to "Michigan is scheduling easy opponents on purpose."

But, he's saying it in the context of, anyone who is smart--including PSU--schedules easy games.

As you say, what is the point of being coy? There are ways to answer this without sounding cryptic.

NittanyFan

October 10th, 2023 at 8:02 PM ^

To be fair: WVU in 2023-24, Auburn in 2021-22, Virginia Tech in 2020 & 2025 (2020 never happened because of COVID and then 2025 cancelled: the 2025 slot is still TBD) and Pittsburgh in 2016-19 are not necessarily "easy games."  

PSU has scheduled 2 OOC annual buy games, like most everyone else in the B1G does, but for all of 2016-2025 the 3rd OOC games have been credible, mostly regional, foes.

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Anyway: the lesson I'm taking from this thread.  Going forward, I'll go read someone's entire quote before I respond to a Twitter Tweet.  

IMO, once the entire quote is read, there's really nothing at all here.

stbullitt

October 10th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^

To add to this, I was mad about this narrative and compared the average SP+ scores for the first six opponents of USC, Penn State, Michigan and Georgia (i.e., teams who a'int played nobody):

  • Georgia* -3.7 overall (average rank 77), 24.4 offense (average rank 76), 27.8 defense (average rank 75) 
  • Michigan -4.9 overall (average rank 83), 22.0 offense (average rank 95), 26.8 defense (average rank 67)
  • Penn State* -5.4 overall (average rank 83), 21.4 offense (average rank 101), 26.4 defense (average rank 68)
  • USC -6.2 overall (average rank 87), 23.4 offense (average rank 78), 31.1 defense (average rank 96)

*Georgia and Penn State each played an FCS team (UT Martin and Delaware, respectively), so I gave them an approximate analogous team based on Sagarin ratings (Akron and MTSU, respectively), meaning both the overages probably overstate Georgia and Penn State's difficulty of schedule by a little.

As you can see, the first half of Penn State's schedule was easier on both offense and defense. There are obviously problems with using straight mean, but is Penn State really going to hang their hat on a home game versus a 44th ranked West Virginia?

charblue.

October 10th, 2023 at 4:42 PM ^

And we got the positive transitive vibe of beating Bowling Green which beat beat Georgia Tech which beat an undefeated Miami.

So we canceled a contract with UCLA. We'll get the Bruins in a couple years. Next year, we make up for every soft non-conference schedule ever. Michigan is playing the equivalent of a playoff schedule just to make the 12-team playoff. Two non-conference playoff teams in Fresno State and Texas and then Oregon, Washington and Southern Cal along with Ohio State as part of conference play as well as Michigan State. 

LB

October 10th, 2023 at 1:49 PM ^

He isn't trying to convince Michigan, he's trying to convince the people he's talking to.

I mean, they have Buffalo on the schedule. Buffalo are big, I've seen one.

Double-D

October 10th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^

Seriously this is a wtf moment from him.  What a dumbass.

Everyone is blowing smoke up our ass about how good we are and deservedly so. You are just hoping we start to let it make us complacent.  Which doesn’t seem in this team’s nature.

Then you serve Jim Harbaugh a helping of medium rare filet just to make sure we have your attention.

Idiot.

XM - Mt 1822

October 10th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^

with crunchy peanut butter for more 'ooomph' when they hit.

he's also not saying something he knows:  that we had a pretty decent OOC schedule lined up and the B10 went bigger10, and we had to scramble to fill in some holes.  

but sure, make jim mad.  love it.  i'm sure that is a winning strategy.  do some more, frames, it's pretty great stuff and i'm sure there won't be the slightest repercussion.  nah, it'll be fine.  

Nickel

October 10th, 2023 at 1:52 PM ^

Good ole Frames, he never fails.

It is kind of getting to the point where I wish Michigan would face someone with a pulse though, it feels like they're commanding the Death Star and blowing up kids balloons rather than planets like they're capable of. Part of that is on them but we can't help it that most of the B1G should be relegated to the MAC.

Magnus

October 10th, 2023 at 1:59 PM ^

I kinda find this narrative a little bit annoying that the rest of the Big Ten stinks. When there are superpower teams, there have to be teams that get crushed by the superpowers...or else the superpowers don't exist. Lex Luthor never actually beat Superman; he's just a pain in Superman's ass. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan State, etc. all have good years sometimes and are good enough to knock off the good teams once in a while.

goblu330

October 10th, 2023 at 1:53 PM ^

A lot of coaches bother me but I don't really mind Frames even when he says dumb stuff.  Perhaps it is because he almost always gives thoughtful answers to the media when asked actual football questions.  A lot of coaches kind of berate the media as stupid even when they are asking good-relevant questions and Frames never does that.

Tried to hate him.   Don't hate him.

But this is a dumb take.  Michigan is playing at Texas next year.