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How does one even get into college and get a 4 on the Wonderlic?

There was much debate yesterday after RDT posted Claiborne's alleged Wonderlic test score of a 4.  Having spent the better part of the past 20 years actually giving this test to prospective applicants at my firm I can feel safe in saying to achieve a 4 you have to either purposively answer questions incorrectly or be just about as stupid as a human can be. 

To prove my point I give you four actual Wonderlic questions that appear on a version of their current test.  To understand what a 4 represents - Claiborne would have to answer two of these incorrectly and then answer all remaining 46 questions wrong as well.  A four means he got 2 of the 50 right and that's it.

Take a look at these questions and ask yourself exactly how someone can get admitted to college if they cannot answer all four correctly.


Which of the following is the earliest date?

A) Jan. 16, 1898 B) Feb. 21, 1889 C) Feb. 2, 1898 D) Jan. 7, 1898 E) Jan. 30, 1889


LOW is to HIGH as EASY is to ? .
J) SUCCESSFUL K) PURE L) TALL M) INTERESTING N) DIFFICULT


What is the next number in the series? 29 41 53 65 77 ?
J) 75 K) 88 L) 89 M) 98 N) 99


One word below appears underlined. What is the OPPOSITE of that word?


She gave a complex answer to the question and we all agreed with her.
A) long B) better C) simple D) wrong E) kind

 

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:54 PM | Well, Mario Manningham scored (Score:5 Normal)
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Well, Mario Manningham scored a 6 and got admitted to Michigan.

"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:57 PM | Pryor scored a 7 (Score:2)
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and he was an Academic All-Big Ten. Did Manningham ever give an explanation for his low score?

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:02 PM | Pryor was an excellent (Score:5 Normal)
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Pryor was an excellent explorer.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:06 PM | Are these scores actually (Score:2)
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Are these scores actually publicly released, or is this all hearsay?

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:15 PM | Not fair (Score:5 Normal)
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Pryor's area of expertise was research, not useless trivia.

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:57 PM | Yes (Score:1)
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Yes, and research is good for learning things and figuring out things.

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April 5th, 2012 at 12:03 AM | Possible Manningham explanation (Score:2)
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Too high to focus?

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:54 PM | It's the SEC. (Score:5 Normal)
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It's not like anyone expects any better out of them. 

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:31 PM | wow (Score:-1 Offtopic)
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racist. 

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:55 PM | Kind of ridiculous; I think (Score:5 Normal)
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Kind of ridiculous; I think you actually have to try to get those wrong.  Anybody who doesn't even know that wrong is the opposite of complex should be returning for another year of high school.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:48 PM | I think you got that question (Score:5 Normal)
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I think you got that question simple.

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April 4th, 2012 at 3:28 PM | I see what you did there. (Score:1 Redundant)
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I see what you did there. That was very complex of you.

"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow

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April 4th, 2012 at 5:13 PM | Opposite of "complex?" (Score:1)
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Hey: it's not the athlete's fault that they forgot to put "simplex" in the answers.

 

 

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:57 PM | Same goes to people who can't post correctly (Score:-1 Offtopic)
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Same goes to people who can't post correctly

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:57 PM | My guess... (Score:2 Normal)
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Some players see it as a waste of time and just fill in random bubbles and leave? I mean, it is the only explanation I can come up with.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:00 PM | Agree (Score:2 Normal)
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Does the wonderic matter? I mean really, you draft people based on skill set not IQ, stupid test IMO, I think some just put down answers...

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:01 PM | Wouldn't you get, on average, (Score:3 Normal)
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Wouldn't you get, on average, 10/50 by just picking at random?

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:09 PM | You would think... (Score:2 Normal)
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But he got this question wrong in his head:

"For this test you should us a number 2 pencil.  You will be using a number ______ pencil:

a) 1   b) 2    c) 3    d) no    e) pen"

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:58 PM | yes however (Score:1)
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the test is times 12 minutes. so if someone cant answer the questions quickly, and is thinking about them then they arent likely to get through all of the questions.

Those who stay...

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:20 PM | I can understand how someone (Score:2)
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I can understand how someone can panic under this situation, but it seems like your agent should get you some coaching for the test.  "If there are 2 minutes left, just mark B for the rest of them".

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April 4th, 2012 at 3:26 PM | Then they're screwed when the (Score:1)
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Then they're screwed when the choices are J to N. "Where's the B? I can't find the B!"

"After all was said and done, there was nothing left to do."

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:59 PM | A, L, N, B (Score:2)
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4/23/13 - Denard Robinson's NFL Future, Part II

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April 4th, 2012 at 12:59 PM | I feel like the players don't (Score:1)
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I feel like the players don't even give a shit about the test and just put whatever letters down as the answers. Why should they give a shit? They are there for their athletic ability and they KNOW that. The thing I want done is a survey given to players that asks them if they really even try on this test.

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:17 PM | I understand the possibility that guys just don't care. (Score:2)
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What I don't understand is why they don't care. They should have at least some pride and try on the test.

Say at an interview with a company they ask me to run a 40 or broad jump. My performance in these probably won't affect the likelihood I get hired, but I'm still going to bust my ass rather than just walking or hopping.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:00 PM | If you can't read due to a (Score:3 Normal)
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If you can't read due to a learning disability, it seems like it would be easy to score a 4.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:04 PM | If you actually can't read, (Score:4 Normal)
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If you actually can't read, you probably shouldn't be in college.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:07 PM | If you have a disability, (Score:5 Normal)
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If you have a disability, universities make accommodations for you. Illiterate does not equal unintelligent. 

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:12 PM | There is a difference between (Score:5 Normal)
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There is a difference between reading at a below-normal grade level (for which a college might make accommodations) and being actually illiterate. The level of language used in those example questions can't be higher than an elementary reading level.

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:52 PM | I wonder, what if a player (Score:5 Normal)
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I wonder, what if a player has dyslexia? That would warrant accommodations, and make taking any test without help somewhat difficult.

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:01 PM | contributing factor (Score:1 Normal)
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Can you imagine the trouble someone with dyslexia would have with the first question in particular? I had to look twice as it, and I am by no means dyslexic. I think that dyslexia or another learning disorder, combined with an "I don't care" attitude, nervousness (because it's timed pretty aggressively) and below-average intelligence, makes it very possible that someone could get a 4. 

One factor by itself (say, low intelligence or dyslexia) probably isn't sufficient to explain such a terrible score, but a number of factors could.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | I believe the law requires (Score:4 Normal)
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I believe the law requires "reasonable accommodations" to be made.  If a kid literally can't read, I don't think that falls within the "reasonable" spectrum (unless you're talking about a kid who is visually impaired - but even then, I think he/she would be expected to be literate in Braille).  

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:42 PM | You have to make reasonable (Score:2)
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You have to make reasonable accommodations and are not required to substantively alter the academic program (this is important).  It means you do not have to alter your curriculum or alter the expectations re: mastery of subject matter.  You simply must make accommodations to put the disabled student on an equal footing with non-disabled students (somtimes easier said than done, but...).

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 3:34 PM | If a kid can't read due to (Score:2)
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If a kid can't read due to severe dyslexia, a school can provide someone to take notes for them and alternate testing options. That seems reasonable. In this day and age, the reading part of the curriculum can be handled with ebooks and text readers.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:06 PM | If there are 5 choices and (Score:2 Normal)
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If there are 5 choices and you randomly guess, doesn't probability say you should expect to get 10 questions correct?

Am I missing something here?

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:08 PM | If the test were taken over (Score:2)
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If the test were taken over and over again, with just random choices selected, yes, on average it would be 10 questions correct. But it can still come out as more or less than that in reality.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:24 PM | Wrong answers are penalized. (Score:0 Overrated)
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Wrong answers are penalized. So it would not be smart to just circle random answers.

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:02 PM | Not true (Score:4 Normal)
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The Wonderlic does not penalize you for guessing wrong.  See this:

http://www.personality-and-aptitude-career-tests.com/wonderlic-intellige...

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:06 PM | Because (Score:5 Normal)
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They had an excellent pro day, a half dozen teams really high on them, and they didn't care about the Wonderlic.  It was the same reason my final essay in high school English was a poorly drawn sketch of a penguin dressed like Vincent Vega.  I was going to Michigan no matter what at that point, just like Clairborne is getting paid no matter what.  

I didn't feel like doing five paragraphs on Ezra Pound, he didn't feel like answering stupid questions.  

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:12 PM | I would agree with you IF (Score:3 Normal)
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I would agree with you IF they had already been drafted and were asked to take the test.  But they havent been drafted and some teams, believe it or not, place a value on a person's intellegence along with their physical skills so tanking a test like this on purpose is crazy.

You were already accepted into Michigan.  Would you have drawn funny pictures if you were still waiting on admissions to make a decision?

 

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:37 PM | My counter argument is that (Score:2 Normal)
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My counter argument is that Clairborne could already have talked to some GMs and Scouts and impressed them.  If I'm a GM, I sit down with a player and go "Wow, this guy really knows the game" I will asusme he is a smart guy even if the Wonderlic comes back with a 4 on it.  

Frankly if I was going through the combine, the Wonderlic would be the first thing I'd blow off.  I'd rather have great work outs and one on one talks with NFL personnel over a score on the Wonerlic.  If I needed a power nap before my next interview, I'd hand in a blank test with an imprint of my face on it from sleeping on it.  

My high school example would be taking less intense English classes so I'd have more time/room for AP Physics, AP Calc, AP Programming, etc.  I was headed for College of Engineering, so I always cared more about my science grades than my humanities grades in high school.  

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:36 PM | William of Ockham suggests (Score:4 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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William of Ockham suggests that you're overthinking things here.  It's likely that his thought processes were a little different than those an Engineering student at Michigan would have.  The most likely explanation: he genuinely isn't that bright to begin with, and panicked, making things worse.

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 4:42 PM | I forgot to shave today (Score:2 Normal)
LSA Aught One
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Do you think he may allow me to borrow his razor?  I know it's gross to use a razor belonging to someone else, but I have heard that his shaving implement is world renowned.

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April 4th, 2012 at 7:45 PM | Kid is projected to go Top 5 (Score:0 Overrated)
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Kid is projected to go Top 5 in the draft and become a millionaire overnight.  I'd say thats plenty bright enough.  

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April 4th, 2012 at 8:38 PM | If that score is at all (Score:3 Normal)
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If that score is at all indicative of his intelligence, someone else in his family better handle his money.

Maybe we shouldn't be so surprised at the number of ex-pros that are broke a few years after retiring, when we see the Wonderlic scores many of them have.  

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April 4th, 2012 at 5:49 PM | Yeah but most teams don't (Score:3 Normal)
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Yeah but most teams don't care about the Wonderlic for a CB. 

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:16 PM | I want to see that drawing. (Score:2)
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I want to see that drawing.

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | Timed Test (Score:0 Overrated)
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The test is also timed, so you have 12 minutes to answer as many of the 50 questions as possible. But you also get penalized for wrong answers, and nothing for unanswered questions. Although I don't quite remember whether it was -.5 or -.25 for wrong answers.

So it's possible he answered like 10 questions right, and then got 12 wrong.

It's not quite as easy as you think, those sample questions are def the easiest ones. And they throw in hard ones randomly (not easiest to hardest).  So you may have gotten a really hard questions for like #5, and if you dont know to skip it, waste 4/5 minutes on it, and that's basically half your time.

A consulting job I intereviewed for a couple years ago had us take the Wonderlic, so that's just from my experience.

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April 4th, 2012 at 2:07 PM | Are you sure you took the (Score:3 Normal)
jmblue
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Are you sure you took the Wonderlic?  It sounds like you took some other kind of test.

On the Wonderlic, there is no deduction for incorrect answers.  It's a straight-up measure of how many of the 50 questions you get right, so you're actually encouraged to answer as many as you can.  A score of four means he answered four questions correctly.  Also, the questions are intended to get harder as you progress through the test - they don't throw random hard questions in there.

You are correct that it's a 12-minute test, but honestly, most of the questions should be a breeze for almost any adult who has attended college.  Here are some more sample Wonderlic questions:

http://www.efplfp.stealingisgood.com/wpt.html

 

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:24 PM | So.... (Score:4 Normal)
gobluescrewosu
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What are the answers?

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April 4th, 2012 at 1:36 PM | I asked my third grader . . . (Score:5 Normal)
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Good news:  she totally owned this test.  Bad news:  her 40 time stinks, and she sometimes cries when blocked or tackled.

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