Houston Suspends Voluntary Workouts
Morons
Intensely foolish. Arkansas has said they won't test anyone who doesn't have symptoms, so they're barreling toward the same place.
Here's where the NCAA needs to step in, because otherwise this is going to be a mess. If we want teams of 100+ guys playing football, we have to test them regularly to stay on top of this.
Stop reading after “Here’s where the NCAA needs to step in”
Anyone want to schedule Houston when they aren’t testing?
That’s why there’s a good chance we’re not going to be seeing football this fall.
Every school is trying to do it their own way, including some really half assed efforts, in regards to returning to campus/sports and all it’s going to take is a few more of these Houston like situations to throw the whole thing into chaos.
If it doesn’t involve making sure student athletes can’t profit from their abilities, the NCAA ain’t interested.
Either the NCAA or conferences need to create some sort of uniform protocols, otherwise its gonna be REAL hard to play football in the fall. You can't have groups of 100+ people getting together every Saturday if you're going to have different testing protocols. Just takes one team like Houston to fuck it up for everyone.
...which is pretty much what I was getting at with this post I made recently,
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/247-ncaa-plans-start-football-season-time#comment-243850926
"The best alternative, IMO? Learn by watching what happens as the NFL (which has a much MUCH stronger central organization than the fractured NCAA) opens and where it finds success, where it finds failure. The NFL, along with the NFLPA, essentially would be the "guinea pigs"; they're the professionals, the league is a huge business and has the resources to figure it out and players being paid enough to take on some amount of risk if they choose to do so. The NCAA, OTOH, is a bunch of disconnected greedy stuffed suits who share a common delusion of having the power to pull it off. And the student-athletes are their pawns. Hope and pray for a vaccine by spring. And start play in March. It just might work."
...in which I suggested that the NCAA should watch how the NFL does in their resumption of play, and to learn from them as to what works and what doesn't work. Even if it means no games until spring.
I fully agree that the NFL/NCAA needs to lead with a common protocol. The problem is, neither of those outfits ever leads anything. The NFL could have already fully implemented significant concussion reduction measures across the entire football world. Forget tackling technique and penalties. They could have had all of football wearing anti-concussion helmets by seeding the PR and financial support for it. Football would be in far better shape PR-wise if they had. But noooo... They continue to fight against it. The NFL could have led the fight against systemic racism by supporting Kaepernick's protest rather than obfuscating his message and blackballing him.
The NCAA could lead by example in any number of violations against the competitive nature of the game. By upholding class requirements instead of caving to UNC. By SMU'ing Auburn and Arkansas, and many others... But noooo, they'd rather be a toothless joke than stand tall on the side of ethics and morals.
Neither of those organizations lead anything. They always follow in the footsteps of others while taking advantage of the great PR power they have to make themselves look good.
A league like the B10 or a team like Michigan should announce they won’t ply games against teams that don’t test all players weekly. That would creat a domino effect forcing function.
I have a feeling this will be a trend with all schools in Texas, Georgia, and Florida.
Yup. More red state anti-science nonsense.
I read this as “whaaaa Repubs are bad whaaaa”
There's classes available for people who struggle with reading.
When you foolishly open up your states far too early, then scratch your head wondering why cases are starting to spike again, yeah, might be a bit of an anti-science numbnut.
And as mentioned elsewhere on this thread, Arkansas is headed down the same path. And the state in general barely bothered to test as is.
They'll probably take it more seriously when their precious football gets postponed/cancelled.
How much are we really controlling the spread of the virus via these stay-at-home orders?
The first group of outbreaks (New York/New Jersey, Michigan, Louisiana) could be explained as states where infection was rising before the shutdowns happened.
But then came the second group (Illinois, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, etc.), which had outbreaks a month after the early group, even though they'd been shut down for weeks.
Now we're seeing a third group of states in the Sun Belt that are seeing increases. These states had low numbers while the first two groups were blowing up. Is the problem that they lifted their SAH orders too soon? Or is it just that the virus is going to inevitably make its way through the country and public policy can only play a mitigating role?
Short of a state-wide randomized controlled trial, it is clear that stay-at-home worked for Massachusetts. Hosp. admissions were taking off late March at the time of stay-at-home; admissions peaked around April 22nd, one month after stay-at-home (delayed prob b/c a cycle of intra-household transmission, also HCW infections etc.). If the stay-at-home at been a few weeks later, the hospitals would have been in serious trouble--as it was things got a bit extreme but i believe no care sacrificed.
My pet theory is that getting people out of office towers and working from home did a lot to slow down the spread.
Seems like the typical office with elevators, windows that don't open, and 100's of people working in cubicle farms, is a great place to spread an airborne pathogen.
I read it as, the 3 most populous states that opened up early are likely to see increases in cases.
So you ignore the obvious political undertone in the comment? It’s always interesting how two people can read the same sentence and have two totally different understandings.
No, not use your fucking brain is bad!
It's not a surprise that the southern states are having issues. What do those states have in common? Hmmmm....
But then you have to explain California. I have come to realize that what the governor of a state does or doesn't do is less important than the willingness of a state's citizens to be cautious and take appropriate steps.
Prediction: There will not be college football this fall. You can't do social distancing and football. You can't do facemasks and football. As soon as a couple of players test positive the college will shut it down "out of an abundance of caution."I
Mark. My. Words.
Disagree. And here's why....If there's no CFB in the fall, I think college sports is basically over. They aren't setup financially to not have CFB because everything depends on it. Schools will be forced to cancel most or all of the rest of their sports, and if/when CFB comes back in 2021, with new NIL laws on the books and everyone needing an influx of cash it'll be closer to pro sports.
So given that college sports would be facing their own armageddon if they cancel the season, I think they will do everything in their power to have a season. Even if it means something like playing every other week and dragging the season out into the spring.
You also might see leagues like the SEC push to pull away from the NCAA in general and have their own league. The other power 5 teams would never allow that since it would make them irrelevant, so they'd likely join them and (finally) create their own power 5 division outside the NCAA as something like a club sport.
College sports has been a house of cards for decades now, becoming far to dependent on "revenue sports" and recruiting "student-athletes" to play them... only a portion of them actually interested in obtaining an academic education.
I love college sports because of the school rivalries and that the players are supposed to be real students attending their respective schools (yes, this does mean amateur). I would hate to see that lost, but if the system has become so unbalanced - perhaps it is best to let the whole thing come crashing down and go back to the basics.
Or, as or more likely, will be a contraction of D1 programs for the revenue sports and the smaller schools they have overspent on buildings will stop doing so when they realize that college will still be important in a recovering economy. Then more students will get partial scholarships like many smaller D1 schools already get in smaller sports like XC.
Maybe we will also see a contraction of administration positions too?
Just say each game is a protest against racial inequality and then it doesn't matter if the players are sick or not.
Symptomatic? That can't be right. Only really old or unhealthy people get sick from the rona.
Good for them, but stupid move not testing everyone beforehand.
They probably have nothing more than flu-like symptoms. Really nothing to get all up in arms about
Every statistic in existence says you are right--and actually they probably have symptoms even milder than flu
If their coaches get it, strong probability their symptoms are much worse.
Potentially true. Also true and objectively so? What I said above--which is unassailable fact. Check the CDC deaths by age. Check out the Statement of Oxford and Cambridge scientists yesterday: kids have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than dying of CV. It's quite amazing that ppl on this site that normally pride themselves in being analytical and paying attention to statistics lose that ability when presented with CV facts.
Comparing an infectious disease to a natural phenomena...
let's see...One is spread by close contact and even it if its unlikely to kill you, it can have some really nasty consequences and not just to the person who test positive but many unsuspecting friends and family members...
and they other...
Your distinction is without meaning. The question for society is what response is best based on the data we have. And the data on seriousness of symptoms and death rates and all of that is critical. Using that data, and comparing it to something else that kills people and that you can get from others as a point of comparison, is totally legitimate. I don't need the flu comparison to make the point that CV is simply not much a threat to people under 60, but it is instructive anyway.
cool shit bro? Where did you go to medical school?
You're wrong. Badly. Wishcasting isn't science.
Can I ask where you went to medical school? Just so I know how to take your comments.
New Orleans. And I'm an ER doctor in NYC.
Weird how I never had any friends hospitalized with flu, but I got a dozen or so who got hospitalized with COVID. Four who ended up in the ICU. One who will probably need a lung transplant. He's in his 30s with a three year old.
So please tell me how this probably isn't as bad as flu.
Never said this isn't as bad as the flu. But the data shows that 98% of cases are classified as mild, and that number is even greater among young adults. So yes there are instances of young, healthy people getting horribly sick from this thing but the odds of that are incredibly slim.
It is NOT as bad as the flu for people under 60. That is fact. It is much worse than the flu for people over 60. Another fact.
LMAO get fucked n00b
N00b. What are you. 7? 8? Lol.
8 and a half next month bitch
Symptomatic? That can't be right. Only really old or unhealthy people get sick from the rona
Symptomatic doesn't necessarily mean hospitalized, just that they might have fever, cough, etc. It is uncommon for a college-age person to be seriously ill from this - not unheard of, but uncommon.
I know that. Just feeling a little trolly today. I should probably have a little weed before this mood gets out of hand.
Oh I'm furious. Beyond this being indicative of what's allowing more people to die than necessary, it's also why we will struggle to have a real season this fall unless a vaccine gets to the public in september.
1/2 the population won't even wear a mask at the grocery store because apparently wearing one makes you a pussy. Or gay? Or a Democrat? I don't really understand it.
Have you seen any youngish people with Covid induced strokes at your hospital? My 34 year old cousin just had one, and she was very healthy before it happened. She didn't die, but she'll be in PT for a while after spending a week in the hospital.
Shit! Thoughts and prayers Hatter.