Hardest jobs in college football (M on the list)

Submitted by dnak438 on October 14th, 2021 at 12:31 PM

The Athletic has a fairly interesting article ($) about which are the hardest jobs in college football based on a poll of "more than 60 people working in college football." Obviously there are different types of difficult, as the results (of Power 5 programs) demonstrate:

  1. Vanderbilt
  2. Kansas
  3. Nebraska
  4. Texas
  5. Wash St
  6. Miami
  7. Auburn
  8. Tennessee
  9. Wake Forest
  10. Michigan (which had 1 first-place vote):

Being inextricably tied and compared to a power like Ohio State was the most consistent reason Michigan’s name came up. Beat the Buckeyes or it’s not good enough.

“Ohio State has one rival,” a Power 5 assistant said. “Michigan has three. You have to compare yourself to others.”

Any season that doesn’t include a win against Ohio State, a perennial Playoff contender and consistently the most talented team in the Big Ten, isn’t a success.

After Lloyd Carr, neither Rich Rodriguez nor Brady Hoke lasted more than four seasons.

“Leash is short for any non-alum,” one Power 5 assistant said.

They also do Group of 5/Independents, not too much of interest there. EMU was briefly mentioned as an impossible job.

mGrowOld

October 14th, 2021 at 12:42 PM ^

“Ohio State has one rival,” a Power 5 assistant said. “Michigan has three. You have to compare yourself to others.”

Might want to add Ohio State  has no other major in-state football program to share potential recruits with unlike Michigan.  And no, Cincinnati doesnt count.

BuckeyeChuck

October 14th, 2021 at 2:52 PM ^

no, Illinois is our rival!

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Leaders And Best

October 14th, 2021 at 3:45 PM ^

OSU plays PSU every year as well and had Nebraska on their schedule for the last 6 years. Luckily for them, Nebraska sucked, and Wisconsin didn't. Michigan and OSU are trading Big Ten West dance partners for the next 6 years, and knowing Michigan's luck, Nebraska will get their act together and Wisconsin will go in the tank for the next 6 years. Outside of MSU, the Big Ten rivalries are pretty much the same for Michigan and OSU.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2021 at 8:21 PM ^

The Forbes ranking is quite weird to me; they rank MSU ahead of OSU based on, AFAIK, median 10-year salary.  

I would say that in most other global rankings Cincy is ranked at or above Nebraska.  I've long contended that Nebraska doesn't bring you anything academically or athletically to the Big 10 so if we're in the process of shuffling the conference to make OSU's life more difficult I'd rather replace UNL with UC.

ralphgoblue

October 15th, 2021 at 2:17 AM ^

Ohio is the 5th most populated state,4th most High school players ,one Major program, no real academic restrictions .

I saw an article (maybe 10 years ago -hardest and easiest places to recruit)   Easiest 1) LSU "footprint" . 2) OSU  3) Texas ... toughest places to recruit  .. 1) Kansas St  .2) Michigan 

if i find this ill post it ..

CRISPed in the DIAG

October 14th, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^

ND has made it clear more than once that we aren't a rival. There was a graphic a few years ago about their record against their "Academic Rivals" which, iirc, was Duke and Northwestern. They have repeatedly resisted joining B1G for reasons. Around 10 years ago they dropped us from the schedule and committed to playing "historic" rivals which, iirc, included Purdue, Michigan State and USC. Currently, they aren't in a hurry to play us any time soon. 

Notre Dame can fuck off.

Couzen Rick's

October 14th, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^

I think you have it backwards - Northwestern released that graphic with their record vs Duke and ND (and either Vandy or Stanford iirc).

But yeah it's kind of weird, ND fans will yell MICHIGAN IS NOT A RIVAL any chance they get, but they account for 80% of all "Meatchicken" usage on the internet, and if you inject them with truth serum, many would tell you they hate Michigan more than even USC.

But again, they don't consider us their rival, and while I do hate ND (moreso in the way I hate any elite private school, not particularly for any football reasons) I also can't in good faith call them a rival anymore.

PopeLando

October 14th, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

Minnesota. 

And they have a point. The Little Brown Jug is the most meaningful trophy in college football. 

Although I would LOVE to introduce a statuette of "Brady Quinn crying on the sideline in 2006 as his Heisman hopes evaporate" and make that the ND-Mich trophy.

The Blue Collar

October 14th, 2021 at 3:45 PM ^

It's a little strange that Michigan gets everybody's "best." Illinois and Rutgers think they're "rivals" and Nebraska and Penn State consistently make Mich a night game with a "white/red out" or whatever. Wisconsin and Iowa always get up for them. And that's not even mentioning Sparty. Meanwhile they all give OSU a pass, Rutgers even called OSU their allies. You'd think the conference would get up for OSU it's best team (I was going to put that in quotes, but I think it's hard to argue) as more of a litmus test.

DennisFranklinDaMan

October 14th, 2021 at 4:31 PM ^

I'm sure they do. We don't read as much Wisconsin or Penn State propaganda as we do Michigan's --and we sure don't pay attention to the way they psych themselves up for Ohio State. (Or, because it doesn't involve us, when we do read it, it seems more silly and less genuinely emotional).

I know Michigan fans are convinced that the officials and the Big Ten conspire against us, that every team prepares solely with us in mind, etc. etc., that God hates us, somehow, for reasons, but ... in fact, other teams' fans make the exact same complaints about how their own teams are treated.

Eh. First week of grad school in Charlottesville a new classmate, who had gone to school there as an undergrad, told me that "everyone knows ACC referees hate UVA." Riiiiiiiiiight. 

UMForLife

October 14th, 2021 at 12:46 PM ^

Some of them on that list I wonder. Why Texas? It is fertile even though they have to share with other teams in state and SEC. Could be why? I understand Auburn.

Golden section

October 14th, 2021 at 3:49 PM ^

The expectations are unrealistically high. They are expected to win against their rivals Oklahoma and A&M but they don't.

They are expected to retain every in-state recruit.

Their booster are plenty with deep pockets but many are openly racist and feel entitled to influence hiring and policy. The  student body wants to ban the singing of, 'The Eyes of Texas" because its sang to the tune of, "I've been Working on the Railroad." 

Many boosters vehemently complained. One wrote," "Less than 6% of our current student body is black,"  "The tail cannot be allowed to wag the dog….. and the dog must instead stand up for what is right. Nothing forces those students to attend UT Austin. Encourage them to select an alternate school ….NOW!""

 

NittanyFan

October 14th, 2021 at 12:57 PM ^

Yeah, I'm confused on Texas' inclusion.  They have high expectations, but they aren't in the SEC either just yet.

Crazy stat - Texas has not won a conference Championship in 11 years.  This in a conference that has been only 10 teams large for 8 of those years!  If the Big XII just drew their conference Champion out of a hat every year from 2010-2020, Texas would have won 1.05 Championships.  Instead they have zero.

Bluesince89

October 14th, 2021 at 12:59 PM ^

A lot of the same problems that plague Michigan re a slavish devotion to doing things the Texas way and getting in their own way.  Texas is a world class university - one of the best publics in the country.  They should be able to recruit any player in the country.  Austin is a great place to live too.  

ShadowStorm33

October 14th, 2021 at 3:15 PM ^

Texas it's all about expectations. Fantastic resources, but perhaps no school in the country has higher expectations. And when coaches start to fall short of those expectations, things can spiral pretty quickly.

Miami (and I'd add USC) both have great talent pools to draw from, but I'd say they suffer from fair weather fans. It's been talked about how LA is really a pro, not college, sports town. Miami does well (typically) when they're winning, but when they're not, it's embarrassing how empty that stadium gets.

JMK

October 14th, 2021 at 5:46 PM ^

Miami doesn’t have great practice facilities and they play their games in a pro stadium 20 miles north of campus. It’s not great. They were pretty much a product of a market inefficiency—other teams didn’t necessarily appreciate the talent in South Florida, and Miami was *very* tolerant of bad behavior—that has now disappeared.  But people in South Florida still expect them to be at the same level as they were from 1980-2000. I can see why it’s now a tough job. 

dnak438

October 14th, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^

For Texas:

The intrigue in Texas speaks to its appeal. It probably also explains why the program hasn’t won a Big 12 title since 2009.

“Just a lot of political aspects to it that have nothing to do with football that makes it very difficult,” a Power 5 administrator said. “Takes a very skilled person.”

Alignment has been incredibly difficult to pull off there. The program is on its third head coach since Mack Brown. And the looming move to the SEC — while making the richest program in the country even richer — may make it even more difficult for the on-field product to get back on track.

“Expectations are so unrealistic,” an agent said. “Delusional fan base, but they do have the money to throw at any problem that comes their way.”

TrueBlue2003

October 14th, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

The assumption was always that as the flagship team in a talent rich state, almost anyone could win there (like OSU and LSU) but I think that's largely changed and clearly they've had a run of failed coaches so I can see how it's getting a reputation as a bit of a pressure cooker.  It has high standards of it's coaches.

Part of that is a reflection of the quality of the coaches though and not the job itself.  Had this question been posed ten years ago, no way Texas is on the list and Notre Dame is probably top 3. In fact, 15 years ago, Alabama would have made the list as well.  Those jobs are more difficult than Texas all things equal, but Kelly and Saban have been good enough individually to make people think their jobs are easier than they really are.