FSU to B10? - BoT chair strongly indicates they are leaving ACC
The FSU Board of Trustee chair, Peter Collins, did an interview today all but saying FSU is about to leave the ACC. The conference they were targeting was clearly the B10 as he described the benefits of the Academic Alliance. Reading the tea leaves conference expansion is ramping up.
Some highlights:
- The financial gap between the B10 & SEC and everyone else was essentially insurmountable.
- He indicated the school was not overly concerned about the ACC grant of rights that goes to 2036. "That will not be the document that keeps us from taking action. And I’ll leave it at that.”
- The ACC uneven distribution model doesn't fit their needs.
- Says athletics will be discussed at the BoT tomorrow, but no action will be taken.
Amp Lee is nodding his head in anticipation
Sammie Smith glances over then begins nodding as well.
August 1st, 2023 at 10:05 PM ^
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August 2nd, 2023 at 10:11 AM ^
Another Living Sacrifice fan?!? On this blog? Ugh...but a Buckeye fan.
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August 3rd, 2023 at 12:32 PM ^
The pleasure to disappoint you is all mine! ;-p
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August 1st, 2023 at 10:39 PM ^
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August 2nd, 2023 at 12:22 PM ^
I can still see Amp running through the secondary like they were walking trying to catch him...
Whoa. Well, I imagine that UF would block them from the SEC since they've done this before.
August 1st, 2023 at 10:06 PM ^
FSU is getting cranky about being locked into their long term grant of rights deal. They are rattling their sabre to try and rally their ACC breathren (Clemson, Miami, UNC) so that the networks will bargain with them. That conference is very unstable and uneven revenue distribution makes it more so.
P.S. If you don't believe me ask Terrell Buckley.
August 1st, 2023 at 10:12 PM ^
Well, once ACC falls, it will be exciting to see Miami in the $EC and how much money they will throw around. Good on FSU for the academic approach.
One step closer to having ND begging to be let in.
THWND. FTI
August 2nd, 2023 at 11:30 AM ^
Not sure why ND is not making immediate steps to get in. All their rivals minus Navy are already in the BIG. It seems like a huge risk to them to not get in now. They would need another team to come in with them to make it 20 (if Washington, Oregon, FSU, and Clemson all come), so the BIG can have 2 conferences of 10 teams. They'd be named BIG10 and PAC10 and would have a championship game at the Rose bowl.
August 1st, 2023 at 10:35 PM ^
One thing I forgot to note was that he indicated FSU has a case of fraud against the conference for misleading the schools. I believe the ACC media deal was completed shortly before the SEC deal, so that could be source of the alleged misrepresentation.
August 1st, 2023 at 11:58 PM ^
E.G. Green agrees.
August 1st, 2023 at 10:12 PM ^
There was an article some years ago when Jimbo left for A&M about the FSU football program falling behind in terms of resources. The AD and/or president were trying to build ALL their sport programs and the school frankly didn't have enough money for Jimbo's vision.
In short, it's possible they really need the money.
August 2nd, 2023 at 12:30 AM ^
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August 2nd, 2023 at 11:24 AM ^
Jumbo's vision seems to be a perennially overrated football team who can't ever win the conference, so looks like FSU did it after all.
August 1st, 2023 at 10:26 PM ^
Cut/paste from CBS. Power Five conferences combined for more than $3.3 billion in total revenue during the 2022 fiscal year, according to USA Today. The Big Ten led the pack at $845.6 million. The Big Ten's reported revenue eclipsed the SEC by more than $40 million, the latter reporting in February that it generated $802 million in revenue for 2022
Nobody else breaks $40M/school. Need to move to the the have’s, or remain a have not.
sorry for the quick cut paste. Recovering from a knee replacement 7 days ago. These hurt like a sob!
August 1st, 2023 at 10:44 PM ^
Upvoted. Hope the knee is better soon.
Well, with your bad knee Ed, you shouldn't throw anybody.
Get well soon!!
August 2nd, 2023 at 10:17 AM ^
Thanks for the well wishes. Good morning today, and should have the worst behind me.
August 1st, 2023 at 11:40 PM ^
not sure how they get out of the grant of rights issue.
The things I've read make it sound ironclad, barring the dissolution of the conference itself.
I guess we'll hear more if it actually happens.
August 2nd, 2023 at 12:44 AM ^
If you're playing the long game, this is a really good way to eventually get rid of the "have nots" within your conference. Bring in some teams you really want and then break off 8 or 10 to form a super conference (USC, UCLA, UM, OSU, PSU, etc.). Does any team in the Big Ten West hold their own in terms of money in the Big Ten?
You could probably expand that to form a "Premier League" with other national brand names elsewhere in the country.
Great for football but lousy for all of the other sports. Traveling cross country mid-week is rough for actual students.
August 2nd, 2023 at 12:58 AM ^
FSU Board of Trustee chair is just repeating rumors he heard from Barstool Sports.
Don’t forget, it was a serious rumor.
It is always serious when a rumor swirls.
I know that the chair thinks the grant of rights won't be an issue but...it's going to be an issue. It might be one they can negotiate down to a reasonable number and then pay off but I see no reason how FSU is going to leave the ACC without paying a hefty fee.
I do think we'll still see a lot of movement in the realignment space but I also take board of trustees tough-talking on a fan site only so seriously - MSU's BoT members have famously showed their asses over the years, as have UM's. Again, FSU and Clemson are the shiniest jewels the ACC has in terms of football quality so I absolutely could see them leaving but this interview doesn't necessarily give me a sense they're that far down the line toward leaving.
August 2nd, 2023 at 12:30 PM ^
What ACC schools offer the largest media markets - in a balance with athletics / academics?
And - I’m limiting this to AAU member schools.
Miami (FL), Georgia Tech, Duke / UNC, Virginia, and ND.
Does this mean we need to take Barstool seriously? Will Brian have to remove them from the 'Do Not Post Here' list?
Barstool will stay on the banned list because Brian doesn't like its politics or juvenile posts.
FSU needs to be invited by the BIG, and until/unless that happens I think this is just posturing by FSU.
Is it possible that the BIG presidents will extend an invitation to a non-AAU member? Yes, but it would represent a significant shift in longstanding conference priorities. There's no evidence at this point in time for such a shift.
I agree mostly - although the presidents like thinking about access to applicant pools and getting more exposure in FL to potentially draw more eyeballs to apply to the B110 schools may be a consideration. Certainly not the slam duck UCLA/USC were.
But I don't see a way out for FSU at this time, but I'm not sure what the. FSU Pres/Board are posturing for? ACC won't cut a dime from the GoR, they may get a bigger share of revenue I guess but I'm not sure that's feasible unless Wake and other take a VERY small share.
"the presidents like thinking about access to applicant pools and getting more exposure in FL to potentially draw more eyeballs to apply to the B110 schools"
Honest question—are conference schools having difficulty attracting enough applicants to fill available spaces? I know Michigan isn't, but I don't know if that's the same case with other BIG institutions.
August 2nd, 2023 at 12:26 PM ^
A lot of SEC schools are trying to attract “northern” talent - academically.
I don’t know if B1G schools are as focused on expanding their footprint with prospective students - but, it does seem like most of the B1G has a large pool to draw from.
My info is a couple of years old - but, several B1G schools wound up with larger acceptance pools / incoming classes - than they expected.
Michigan doesn't need or want more applicants at this point: 80,000/year is plenty for them and they are building another new dorm to accept more students rather than aiming to reject more (like UChicago notoriously does).
I'll say this, MSU and Neb would LOVE to lower their 75ish% admission rates. Iowa and IU would too I'm pretty sure. PSU, Wisc and Purdue probably are closer to Michigan's boat of not really wanting to increase apps. I assume NW is the same. Generally speaking, schools want to make sure they have a large applicant pool of diverse candidates that are highly qualified. Exposure to CA kids is huge b/c they export more students out of that state than any other. And tehy are diverse kids and plenty are highly qualified: UCLA got almost 120,000 applications. UC Davis and UCSD are very tough to get into as well b/c they see 50-70k applications and can only take 20,000 accepted.
The southern schools are attractive these days for several reasons: 1) weather 2) being generally less liberal (relative to college campuses) for many 3) these schools are easier to get in/give more non-need based money to B+/A- students (compared to the 40 or so IVY+ schools). 4) are a bit cheaper than many other flagship schools.
This would be great. I'd love a Georgia Tech rumor too. Do they not care about football there or something?
It's the South, even Vanderbilt fans care about football. I don't get it.
August 2nd, 2023 at 11:32 AM ^
As a native Nashvillian and son of a faculty member, I grew up a huge Vanderbilt fan. In 1979, as a Xmas present, my parents got my brother and me our own football and basketball season tickets. Anyway, you do get to see some truky elite football teams come to play in your stadium and kick your ass.
How are they going to do this without seven other teams from the ACC wanting out as well? I have real doubts that there are seven other teams that one out, because there are plenty of teams in the ACC right now (like BC, Wake, Syracuse, etc) they will never vote to leave the ACC because they know that the Big Ten or SEC will never want them. They are going to ride this grant of rights deal out until the bitter end.
which brings me back to my original question. FSU can want out all at once, and they will definitely have suitors when they have the legitimate chance to do so, but do they have seven other partners in place to make this happen right now? I have my doubts.
August 2nd, 2023 at 10:25 AM ^
I'd be stoked about the Noles joining the B1G as they are my second favorite team. My oldest bro went to FSU and I attended many an FSU game as a kid growing up in FL. I was in student section for the Noles legendary 28pt 4th quarter comeback against the Gators!! As a fan of both teams I'd be over the moon to see both Michigan and FSU beat an Osu in the same year (preferably in that toilet bowl stadium over in Cbus)... I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about.
Also, if the B1G is raiding ACC teams, might want to consider grabbing Maryland. (Shutdown Fullcast listeners will get this)
August 2nd, 2023 at 11:07 AM ^
Can't wait to hear what Danny Kannell has to say about this.
/s
August 2nd, 2023 at 11:46 AM ^
I didn’t know the ACC had uneven revenue distribution.
Can anyone share a knowledgeable perspective / details on this?
August 2nd, 2023 at 12:03 PM ^
If the Big Ten is gonna expand again (because of course they will), I'd much rather take a run at UVA and UNC. Very good academic, athletic, and cultural fits for the Big Ten. But it's all about money and maybe being a National Brand TM (R) presented by Kraft Mac and Cheese means the suits need to expand into the south
August 2nd, 2023 at 10:55 PM ^
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