The first BCS rankings are out:
The first BCS rankings are out:
My thoughts are that we would line up and beat each team ranked 16-25 by 2 scores
The way we are playing right now, I like my chances against most teams. Especially since we practically gave away the game in South Bend.
We're ranked 35th by the computers? Polls don't usually fire me up but that's ridiculous.
We got demolished by the #1 team, had 6 turnovers against the #5 team, barely beat #94, and demolished #66, #84, and #120. What type of evidence is there to place us higher than #35? If we win the next two weeks against #34 and #36 (according to the computers) - especially if they are by decent margins - we will move up significantly. Don't worry about it.
do the BCS computers now incorporate margin of victory? Shouldn't matter if Michigan beats msu by 1 or 100, according to the BCS computer ratings (although we'd all prefer the latter). It would, of course, matter somewhat to the voters, so MOV is still important in that respect.
"It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning"
You're right, I was talking about the ranking in general. Nothing changes, though. We lost to #1 and #5 and beat #66, #84, #94, #120. When we beat #34 and #36, then we'll move up.
I believe one or two of them do. Excluding garbage time and various factors...
I like it when you use numbers to talk dirty to me
I hate the whole moral victory thing, but that's sort of what that Notre Dame game was. Take out those critical turnovers and our offense was almost unstoppable. Our defense was also lights out against them. They needed the ball in our redzone and a freshman penalty to actually score a touchdown.
Uhh don't mean to be that guy, but those turnovers happened. I'd contest that our offense was very stoppable in that game.
We had a few very solid drives. One turnover was a pass from a 5'6 RB to an equally tiny WR. Another turnover was a fumble on an otherwise good play. I'm not discounting the turnovers — obviously they happened — however I do believe that they were not necessarily indicative of the ND defense containing our offense. I felt they were mostly our own fault. Partly game planning, partly execution. However, despite these turnovers, the game was very winnable down to that final Notre Dame drive. Sure, this was mostly a result of our defense shutting down their offense, but it was also party a result of us having the ball for so damn long and moving down the field with convincing consistency.
And to add insult to injury, our turnovers came in the red zone after long drives that ate a lot of clock up. Again, a loss is a loss and we deserved that L. But that one definitely had a "we beat ourselves" feel to it.
But I never seriously thought we were in the NC hunt anyway, but that winning the BIG was the PERFECT goal at this stage: realistic, but challenging, and an appropriate step of season to season improvement for Hoke & company.
I feel your pain, bro. But, like the B.S. @ the Small House (ND), let's just let the BCS rankings go...
... And enjoy the B1G championship ride!
Agreed. A loss is a loss, but some hurt more.
I guess the point is, did Notre Dame appear to be a vastly superior team? To that I'd say no. If we played that game ten times, M probably wins 5 or 6. As opposed to Alabama, where we'd almost certainly lose all 10. A win is a win and a loss is a loss, but they do come in different flavors. Bama was a beat down. ND was us shooting ourselves in the foot.
So you are counting on the same things to happen in each of those 10 games? NDs offense to be sluggish, defense is stout... Or Denard doesn't turn into a turnover machine and ND stays the same. Can't have it both ways.
The thing is, I'm not convinced that we have serious problems. We're by no means elite and passing is an issue, but our offense moved the ball consistantly at times against Notre Dame. I understand your quote but I don't think its applicable. There was no guarantee we'd keep turning the ball over and they by no means had a comfortable enough lead to see if we would. Do you really think Notre Dame would take that chance against us after the past few years?
If you considered Bama holding your offense, ND held you for just 20 more yards. You don't consider Denards bad throws the result of the DL being in his face?
Texas Tech by 2 scores.
Any reason that you're leaving #15 Rutgers out of this? Maybe because we'd beat them by five scores? Their most impressive win is... nine points over Arkansas? eight points over Syracuse?
35) Michigan State
No other Big Ten team registers with a BCS average. Alabama is one, we are ND is four.
Win next week and we're in. Win the week after that and we're probably in the top-20. Ain't no thang.
Of the 44 teams whose BCS average is a non-zero number, nine of them are Big XII teams. Only Kansas was left out (which, at 1-5...well...anyway...). The Pac-12 and SEC have seven teams each. The Big Ten rings in with five teams and the ACC with four. The remaining 13 teams are spread between independents (ND, who else?), the Big East, MWC, MAC, Sun Belt, WAC and C-USA.
Ohio is #999. I don't care if that's a null placeholder for a team on sanctions, it still makes my day
Why we aren't in their but who cares
over Air Force, UMASS, Purdue and Illiniois.
Who just got their asses kicked should be above us when we lost on the road twice to two top 5 teams
Iowa State lost by 6 to Kansas State
on the cbssports site - right above the 4 schools in the Penalty box is the worst team in FBS, UMass. We've lost to #1 and #5, but our wins are over #66, #84, #94, and #120.
not that it matters but I see one BIG thing missing
THIS MAKES ME SO MAD THAT I WANT TO THROW MY COUCH OFF OF MY ROOF AND BURN IT WHILE PLAYING A UKULELE, SITTING NAKED IN VANILLA PUDDING THAT"S TOPPED WITH CINNAMON AND NUTMEG.
By their own standards Michigan has a better resume than Texas or Iowa State. Lost on the road to better opponents than either of them. This is just dumb.
And they beat better opponents than us.
A big problem for Michigan in the computer polls is that UMass is dead last, and dragging down their strength of schedule. the Colley Rankings have a tool to add/remove games. Replace UMass with Bowling Green (still a blowout, but ranked #72 there instead of Umass' #138) and Michigan moves up to #27 from #38. This is the same exact problem that the basketball team had last year.
If we win the B1G, we go to the Rose Bowl, no matter what the BCS poll says.
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You truly are a master of the spoonerism.
I don't see how we aren't ranked in the top 25 when both our losses were to top 5 teams
So you're saying our biggest victories were losses? That's so Notre Dame.
They are 4-2 just like us. They beat Wyoming (107), New Mexico (67), Ole Miss (55), and Okie State (34). They lost a close one to the #8 team and got curb stomped by an untested #13 Oklahoma (yes, I said it, wins over UTEP and Florida A&M while losing to K State means nothing). Yet Texas is #25 in the BCS with almost half as many coaches votes.
I'd call it Notre Dame with a point.