Elite 8/Louisville banner?
Watching SDSU v Creighton. Game in Louisville. They just showed the rafters. Was that a 2013 NC banned hung next to the 1986 NC banner?
If so, why is Louisville allowed to hang a NC banner when their championship was vacated by the NCAA, but we aren’t allowed to hang our two Fab 5 Final 4 banners from the Crisler rafters? Or is this a U-M decision, not NCAA?
Correction: banner, not banned. Freudian slip.
This ought to go well.
The block is still good, 10 years later. Hang the banners, all of them!
the dump was clean!
THE BLOCK WAS CLEAN!
Hang a banner that says "The Block Was Clean".
That's one that nobody can argue with.
I believe it’s a Michigan decision
I don't know if it were a Michigan decision, but more of a Mary Sue decision.
To be fair maybe Michigan should ban her for her half-time speeches. Can't ban one group and then deny you weren't drunk. (I know she isn't the president anymore.)
Maybe Santa will re-hang it.
OP, I saw that banner too, and thought the same thing.
Speaking of drunk...
... go to bed.
FFS.
Wasn't this a delayed auditory feedback issue? Did more details come out?
speaking of 'delayed' - 12 years on the board and your first post? welcome.
It is.
And it's ridiculous.
This was the perfect year with Jett and Jace on the team (and with NIL becoming what it is) to welcome the Fab Five back, hang the banners, and move on.
The fact that it's even a debate is weird. Just do it and no one would ever bring it up even a week later.
I don't think the NCAA can prohibit a school from hanging a banner.
This is the correct answer. We could hang a 2023 NCAA tournament championship banner if we wanted to.
UCF style
Ummm no, it isn’t the correct answer. Geez. The amount of misinformation - often repeated as fact - on this board is staggering.
Louisville had a “2013 National Champions” banner that was taken down a few years ago in the aftermath of all the turmoil in that program which led to the ncaa’s decision to vacate.
Since then, AD Josh Heird negotiated with the ncaa Infractions Committee to allow UofL to raise a different banner with different wording. The new one, which was raised earlier this year, reads “2013 FINALS Coaches Poll #1” At this point in time they still cannot raise a banner which says National Champions.
It is widely believed that the ncaa agreed to the language on the new banner in the aftermath of the IARP ruling that was issued last year related to the allegations against Louisville.
Thanks for the explanation. I knew someone on this board would know. The TV shot just showed the 2013 and not the wording.
March 27th, 2023 at 10:00 PM ^
I don't think you said the same thing...
One is...the NCAA can tell you that you can't hang a banner.
What you're saying is, as part of a mediation process with the NCAA...Louisville had to take down a their banner.
Those aren't the same. The NCAA gets schools to do all kinds of things as part of a negotiation process. It doesn't make them rules.
Hang a Brown Jug banner
What? Sorry, I stopped reading after Hang a Brown Jug
Yep. The NCAA vacates the official record books, but the school can decorate their arena however they want.
Not only should we have already hung the Fab 5 banners, we should also hang a 2013 NC banner because Louisville had to vacate for cheating.
That block was the cleanest block I've ever seen.
That’s…an ironic post.
It's really weird how so many Michigan fans love to point out other programs cheating, but want so bad to put the Fab Five banners back up...I've never understood it.
I don’t either. If someone could explain it to me in plain English I am all ears.
my guess:
1. the ed martin payoffs weren't a 'michigan-centric' occurrence. he paid a bunch of kids who went to different schools, IIRC, even a sparty kid. virtually all other recruiting hi-jinx come from a specific school and/or booster of a school, giving $ so kids will go to the booster's chosen school.
2. given the absolute and utter shenanigans that the NCAA has permitted, i mean gross, on record, long-standing fecal matter of epic proportions (UNC 18 yr academic scandal, coaches caught on fed wiretap tape, pitino, and the list goes on) the understandable bitterness toward anyone taking the NCAA seriously is easy to see. the NCAA is a joke, a hypocritical, pathetic, athlete-injuring joke. so bag the NCAA, hang the banners.
regardless of whether you/i agree, it is certainly understandable. and yeah, i'm probably in the 'hang the banners' camp as more and more has come out.
I don’t disagree with your sentiment, but how do you weigh your thoughts versus the (sometimes alleged) shenanigans that have taken place at other schools? It doesn’t really bother me if you’re in one camp or the other, but the “I’m cool with the Fab 5 but Louisville is a bunch of cheaters” shtick is tiresome.
'other school' or do you mean 'our school'? guessing 'ours'.
the entire evil that the NCAA would be policing would be the payment to influence players to go to a specific school. didn't happen with webber, made no difference if webber had headed to state, or butler, or wherever. ed martin just wanted access to hoops players. also, AFAIK, it was limited to one player, nobody for U of M involved.
louisville was hookers and blow, money, coaches and many louisville personnel involved, no holds barred.
the analogy i would draw would be this: michigan was going 5 mph over the speed limit, louisville was going 50 mph over the limit. sure, both are speeding, but one gets you a civil infraction and a ticket, the other gets you a criminal charge and jail.
I think Michigan is very lucky the NCAA didnt do too much digging pre Fab Five, there was shady stuff going on with the basketball program well before then (Martin tried to give money to Terry Mills, for one) and well after then hence why it all came to light in 1996 with the rollover crash.
Also while it's true only one player of the Fab Five was heavily involved you have three other players afterwards, and Martin didnt have season tickets to other schools.
and even accepting everything you say as absolute truth, meaning i know you are being honest but who knows the true facts, its still small potatoes vs. what was going on at louisville, and what was easily provable in real time.
All schools pay players. Whether people want to accept that or not.
Read my post again. I never said we should hang a banner. I only wanted an explanation as to why Louisville was allowed to hang a banner and we weren’t. One of the posters has explained it.
I never understood this logic. Even if that block was ruled clean, there is absolutely no guarantee Michigan would’ve won. They still couldn’t stop Luke freaking Hancock from sinking three after three.
Louisville didn’t win that game because they did something that gave them an unfair on-court advantage. They didn’t take PEDs or spike Michigan’s Gatorade jug with ex-lax. They won because they were the better team that night, as much as it pains me to say.
The post above is sloppily worded but the argument is not about the block/foul, but that Louisville was ineligible to play in the game because of its rules violations.
But, we still don’t really have a claim on the title because if UL hadn’t been there, someone else would have been playing us instead, and we don’t know how the game would have gone. That’s why the title is vacated and not forfeited.
In a world of NIL, there aren't any lessons to be learned. Time to put the banners up!
NIL = Now It's Legal
They may be country, but idk that they're elitist. That'd be my guess.
Who cares
Cheatin'-ass Louisville has to cling to their vacated title because the current program is an absolute tire fire
The President and Board of Regents of the University of Michigan decided to take the banners down and put them banners away.
If Louisville has their banner hanging when the NCAA has vacated their championship, the banner has no significance and is now a dusty ten year old blanket. I’d like to think this is an excellent example of how Michigan and Louisville differ on values and fairness.
I was at the games Friday night at the Yum Center. It was a banner for being #1 in the Coaches poll that season. What a big joke.
They play at the KFC Yum! Center.
That means we win.
Whatever "crime" the Fab Five committed is now legal. It's been 30 years, all debts have long been cleared.
Put the banners back up.
Michigan Lannister
If all those John Wooden UCLA banners are up in Pauley Pavilion, everyone should have their banners up: Louisville, Michigan, Memphis, etc. That entire program got a complete pass on a pay for play scandal in the 60s and 70s.
John Wooden's Pyramid of Success is "pay really good players to play for your program."
True. I read both Jabbar and Walton autobiographies. They both talk about a generous booster who helped them all out. And Wooden allowed Walton to smoke dope before games. He was so hyped up, he needed it to calm him down.