December 14th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
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December 14th, 2016 at 11:36 AM ^
I have no idea, but I assume you can back-date some early enrollees, forward-date others, etc. I think the "cannot be over 85 scholarship players" rule still applies, though.
In other words, I have no idea...
December 14th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^
December 14th, 2016 at 11:38 AM ^
December 14th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^
But they do say you can ony have 85 football players on scholarship. Basically limits early enrollees to the number of scholarships you had left from the fall season, plus transfers, plus players that have graduated by the fall semester, and anyone leaving school for draft preparations. I have no idea what that number is this year.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:53 AM ^
Unless I am misunderstanding, it is actually Title IX that limits scholarships. Dealing with scholarship limits is not the same as telling someone they can or cannot enroll early just because. The rule only applies to how many of those early enrollees can be backdated to the previous class.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^
This is the NCAA bylaw on early enrollees:
15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering After Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete recruited (per Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
As the early enrollee will count during the academic year toward the 85 limit, the team either needs to be below 85 already or a current counter must leave school and have his aid cancelled.
Of course any early enrollee can enroll, the question is whether he can receive a scholarship.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^
The rule is clear. You can't have more than 85 players on scholarship at the same time. There were some open spots as we're under 85 already. The others will be opened up by current players whose eligibility has run out not taking classes next term. They are entitled to, if they wish. Some will leave to train for the NFL combine. Some have graduated are will start their careers. We may also see a transfer or two leave.
Backdating scholarships is separate. That is limited both by the 85 max and 25 max per class. Some of the EEs will be backdated, maybe five spots are available. It looks like we have room for more EEs than that.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
Can't the whole class essentially enroll early, but you can only designate a few to the prvious class for numbers purposes?
December 14th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
If you start a post with "neg away" there is a good chance I will neg away.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:43 AM ^
The early enrolling limit is different from backdating.
Backdating applies to getting over the 25 new scholarships (counters) per year limit. I may be wrong on this, but I think the only limitation to the early enrollment is 85 scholarships in the spring. We have 15-17 senior scholarships that are definitely not returning so I think we should be able to make 15 easily.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:47 AM ^
Those 15 guys are still on scholarship in the spring though, they don't open up until those guys leave the program.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:49 AM ^
December 14th, 2016 at 12:50 PM ^
can stay for the winter semester and take more classes if they want. That was one of the issues that got Tim Beckman fired. Illinois accused him of pulling scholarships for seniors after the season if they had graduated. It sounds like a lot our seniors will skip that last semester, so we'll have more spots open than the previous year.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
The number should still be around 15. I think the 5th year guys have already graduated & can assume will move on at the end of the semester for NFL Draft prep. A majority of the 4th years probably already have enough credits to graduate, but I will leave them out of this number for now. But we also have around 5 unallocated scholarships due to attrition.
5th years (8): Darboh, Chesson, Magnuson, Kalis, Braden, Godin, Glasgow, Kenny Allen.
5 unallocated scholarships
Total: 13 early enrollment spots + spring attrition
December 14th, 2016 at 11:40 AM ^
December 14th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
December 14th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
No limit to the number of early enrollees. The limit only applies to how many can be back-dated to the previous class. Early enrollees who aren't backdated just count towards the overall scholarship count and current class size.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^
December 14th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most of the seniors graduate a semester early so that they can focus on the draft? I can't imagine there will not be room once you count out the departing seniors.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:16 PM ^
I thought I told ya!
December 14th, 2016 at 11:50 AM ^
i dont understand why you guys are negging him when i havent seen a single person give a good answer.. must not be a dumb question afterall..
unless people are just negging him because he asked for it :)
December 14th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
I'm absolutely positive that is the reason. Lol. I think I got the answer with the 85 scholarship limit. There will have to be some movement with regard to that number.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^
gotcha.. plus the additional constraint of 25 scholarships per year.. so adding another layer of understanding that backdating players to the previous class will be necessary (as long as you dont allow more than 25 players from the previous class).. i wonder how dytarius affects the number from last year? i assume he no longer counts
i think a lot of people felt they understood these rules, but when the number jumped from the regular 3-5 early enrollees to 10+, people started questioning what they knew
December 14th, 2016 at 12:23 PM ^
See, now right there, you're negotiating from a position of weakness.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:53 AM ^
Not all Early Enrollees are backdated. If they have room, they can backdate some before they hit the cap. The others just count to the new class.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^
I think Ace should go to the Winter Commencement this Sunday to find out how many players walk to get to the bottom of this very important issue.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^
WD will be there, he'll tell us
December 14th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^
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December 14th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^
It's only an excessive number if it's higher than the number of players who will not be enrolled at Michigan in the winter. We can probably assume that people like Jourdan Lewis, Chris Wormley, etc. will graduate this month or drop out of school to prepare for the NFL Draft.
December 14th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^
Sounds like we need a swim lanes post for early enrollees. As long as Thomas and DPJ are EE's, we will be in a good and happy place.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:11 PM ^
Has the early enrollees listed. That's where I got the 14 - 15 number.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:05 PM ^
Michigan's NFL ready seniors are leaving the team after the bowl game to get ready for the NFL draft.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:15 PM ^
All seniors leave the team after the Bowl as they are out of eligibility. The question is whether they leave school.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:30 PM ^
and while these topics always make for good conversation...
I assume when it comes to recruiting the coaches sit there with extensive spreadsheets on how this will play out.
When's the last time you saw a program turn down a 4 or 5 star recruit from EE because they screwed up the numbers? I'm sure it has happened, it's just rare for a first class staff paid millions at a big time program to not go through each player and scenario for the roster.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:44 PM ^
Agreed.
This is one of the countless, unspoken aspects of Harbaugh's job description, and why he is paid $9 million/year. To prepare exactly for these kinds of situations. Not every kid we think we're going to get will come here. And some that we think are going somewhere else will come here instead.
He and his staff probably have a huge spreadsheet put together of all their recruiting targets that tells them what they can do if X number of guys commit and Y number of guys want to enroll early.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^
Oh, don't worry. I'm sure WD will stalk the directory and post when they all enroll. He does that every year.
December 14th, 2016 at 12:52 PM ^
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December 14th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^
1. D McCaffrey
2. B. Mason
3. B. Hawkins
4. J. Hall
5. P Paea
6. D. Jeter
7. C Malone - Hatcher
8. B. St Juste
9. A. Thomas
10. J. Woods
11. Kelly - Powell
12. People - Jones
13. T. Black
14. C. Ruiz
15. N. Harris
December 14th, 2016 at 12:34 PM ^
December 14th, 2016 at 2:02 PM ^
I am quite sure the coaching staff and compliance know what they are doing. All the post does is cause questions - possibly in the minds of potential early enrollees as they make a decision. Why would we want that?