Coaches Poll, Michigan up a little to #16
October 6th, 2019 at 1:19 PM ^
Where's sharty ranked??
October 6th, 2019 at 3:10 PM ^
They got less votes than Tulane - that probably says it all...
October 6th, 2019 at 7:13 PM ^
Fewer
October 6th, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^
Teams with losses should not be ranked above teams with no losses. They talked about this on B1G’s Final Drive show.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:24 PM ^
Well, half the team is playing like a CFP contender. The other half is playing like a top 40-ish team (yeah, I am being generous). So, #16 is about right if you take the average.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:24 PM ^
Four of our opponents are in the top 10, whew.
October 6th, 2019 at 3:05 PM ^
You spelled "oh, hell" wrong.
October 6th, 2019 at 3:12 PM ^
Notre Dame will be booted out of there when we kick the shit out of them at home. Watching them play their weak ass schedule is pathetic.
To hell with Notre Dame!
October 6th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
We do have a night game history against Purpleface going for us.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:30 PM ^
Wait why isn’t Army ranked? *checks scoreboard*
oh...lost to Tulane huh. Sigh.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:00 PM ^
One thing is safe to say, the defense is playing better than it did in the Army game, especially the D Line. There's a unison to fire off the ball at the snap now. Dwumfour is back. Danna is fast. And McGrone is making a big difference they didn't have in the Army game.
Don Brown going into seclusion has paid off, so far...
October 7th, 2019 at 9:47 AM ^
A lot of people knock Brown, but the fact of the matter is, just like an offensive coordinator, as a defensive coordinator, you would love to preserve your more exotic looks for when really necessary, keeping the element of surprise in your pocket, and first and foremost, just playing to win straight-up and outplaying the opponent to the man (and because of the offense performance against Iowa, it became necessary).
The same with your players, brining Dwumfour back too early from injury against Wisconsin (let alone Army) is highly both highly risky, and doesn't necessarily (again "necessity" is the key word) gain much.
UM needs to win the division first and foremost. So technically, even the Iowa game wasn't deterministic, in that they could have lost, and still completely controlled their own destiny (aka "win out")--of course there is still the potential for a tie-break so it is in your best interest to win, of course.
But just to emphasize the point that the "old guard" mind-set of rank being determined by AP/Coaches Poll, is a thing of the past (which biased against undefeated-ness despite SOS, and lack of season-finale Top-Match-Ups), now that we have Conf. Champ. games, and CFP, just like the NFL, going 16-0 (and same for the NBA/NHL), is not only completely unnecessary, but determines nothing, and may not even be desireable (for psych/effort/peaking/learning purposes too complicated to get into).
October 6th, 2019 at 1:33 PM ^
Lol at Sparty. You lose by 4 scores. You fall from the rankings.
October 6th, 2019 at 3:01 PM ^
Imagine losing by 4 scores to osu. Couldn’t be my team
October 6th, 2019 at 1:38 PM ^
Just keep winning.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:48 PM ^
Jesus .. the amount of bitching and moaning on here is insane. We win a game most on here thought we would lose, the defense improved dramatically and we move up In he polls and all we can do is bitch.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:57 PM ^
Got Illinois this week!
Can continue whistling past the graveyard.
No but seriously people are bitching cause we bad on offense
October 6th, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^
You are a joke. You bitch and moan about every single thing. Win or lose, you complain. You keep saying that yesterday’s performance won’t beat PSU or OSU. So what? We didn’t play them yesterday, however, we did get a win against a quality opponent. So, in addition to repeatedly stating the obvious, your comments are more or less irrelevant at this point. Grow up a bit.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:07 PM ^
i know. The offense in hitting its stride in every way too.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:42 PM ^
You'd have thought Michigan lost based on the comments. It's ridiculous.
College football fans are the worst. It's not just Michigan fans who act like this.
For fuck's sake, they won a game against a ranked team.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:52 PM ^
But it doesn't count because while Michigan holding a top-25 SP+ offense to 3 points and by 50 yards their worst offensive performance of the year (and by far their worst per-play output of the year) is expected, a defense similarly gumming up Michigan's offense shows only that Michigan's offense is the worst in the history and Gattis and Harbaugh should be thrown into the nearest lake.
It's tiring around here. As this site has become more popular the "fun" of just following a team and living with the ups-and-downs has disappeared into a chorus of obnoxious BPONE-ing by people trying to out-ironic each other.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^
I can only speak for myself but I'm thrilled that we won. And I'm so glad that Don Brown appears to have figured something out with this group.
I think the performance of the offense is inexcusable in week 6. I think Harbaugh is a joke for saying the offense is hitting their stride. Everyone knows that's a flat out lie.
Being happy about a win but critiquing the offense, the play calling, the coaching, etc. isn't bitching and moaning. It's calling out our current reality and searching for some answers.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:52 PM ^
I agree with your comment mostly. However, most of the posts on here are not critiquing the offense or searching for answers. They are horribly unfair and unnecessarily critical of a coach with a 75% winning percentage who flat out turned this program around. It seems that everyone around these parts forgot the 8 seasons prior to Harbaugh getting here and think he should have magically started winning championships shortly after he got here. We are much better and closer to where we want to n when he got here.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:56 PM ^
Fair points and I agree that Harbaugh has absolutely gotten this team (overall) to a better place. But being the 3rd highest-paid coach in America, in my opinion, we're not paying him to get us better. We're paying him to get us to the top of the mountain. If he can't even beat OSU once in 5 tries, will he ever?
I don't profess to having all of the answers, in particular around who would be the next coach. And I'm not 100% on either wagon, if Harbaugh should stay or go. I DO know that this shit offense in year 5 is simply unacceptable.
October 6th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^
Why does his salary matter so much? I don't understand why that's always the go-to criticism.
Michigan has a lot of money; it's not a huge sacrifice to us to pay the guy. It doesn't go on students' tuition bill.
I don't really get the point about OSU either. First, Jim's pretty unlucky to have lost in 2016. Why would that game, in year 2, be the high-water mark for him?
Also, his first four games were against Urban Meyer (who won over 90% of his games overall at OSU) while from here on out he faces Ryan Day. I'm not too optimistic about this year's meeting but we really don't know what to expect of a Day-led OSU going forward. Jim's record against Meyer doesn't necessarily predict his record against Day, any more than Lloyd Carr's record against John Cooper predicted his record against Jim Tressel.
October 6th, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^
I do agree with you that the school has money but I think you'd be hard-pressed to make the argument that we're a top ten program right now, so what are we paying that much for? We can agree to disagree that the amount of money doesn't matter, but it's my opinion that for what he's paid, the on-field results don't match the salary.
The OSU stuff, I couldn't disagree less. Yes, Urban was great. Dantonio figured out a way to beat him multiple times. Sorry, I just had enough excuses about bad bounces or spots. Beat them.
Again, I'm not saying he has to go and I'm not saying I have a better solution for how to move forward, I just know that the product on the field is pretty gross and just unacceptable for year 5. If you feel differently, cool. That's just not where my head is at.
October 6th, 2019 at 6:25 PM ^
The expectations grow when you make that money. If I received a 200% raise tomorrow morning and was of the top 5 highest paid in my profession, do you not think the expectations grow with that? Don't worry, my company makes a lot of money, so everything is fine if I call it in every big board meeting.
October 7th, 2019 at 6:17 AM ^
It’s Harbaugh’s recruiting that is hurting this team. Your 2018 class had “zero” top 100 commits, only 5 or 6 had offers from other P5 schools, OSU only offered 3 of your 2018 commits. 2019-3 top 100. 2020 so far 1 top 100 commit. You are not reloading every year for 10/11 wins without some top talent. um is going he way of msu&wisconsin, taking 3 stars and developing them. Unless Harbaugh figures out how to create some excitement or um starts consistently challenging OSU I don’t know how you’ll ever get top talent,offensively with that half dead one. When a Harbaugh was hired I thought it would be um and OSU every year like the old days. Really surprised he hasn’t continued the good recruiting he had in the first couple classes. Gotta win on the field.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:47 PM ^
If this team had a competent offense they would have beat Iowa by 21+ points.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:53 PM ^
So, you are upset with the victory?
October 6th, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^
"We win a game most on here thought we would lose,"
Out of curiosity I checked the prediction thread of a few days ago.
Of those commenters who actually ventured a prediction, 73 predicted a Michigan victory, and 32 predicted an Iowa victory.
So no, "most on here" did not think we were going to lose. Those who predicted a victory were right, and those who didn't—like me—were wrong.
Nobody who predicted a Michigan victory did so with us scoring just 10 points.
October 6th, 2019 at 4:07 PM ^
Did anyone predict us to hold them to 3 points?
Part of the angst is that fans simply focus on offense in general. If we win 27-20, it's a "great game." If we win 38-31, it's a "classic." But 10-3 is "ugly."
October 6th, 2019 at 4:29 PM ^
So, that's actually a fair question and I agree, those scenarios do feel different. But, I guess I'd ask you, are you happy with the offense this season, in particular yesterday? Just curious if maybe you're seeing something that I and many here aren't.
October 6th, 2019 at 5:55 PM ^
Of course not. We've scored 14, 14 and 10 points in regulation in our last three non-Rutgers games. But I don't think it's the best Harbaugh is capable of delivering. We know that just from last season.
October 6th, 2019 at 5:27 PM ^
It’s not that hard to understand. Iowa has a decent offense, but we will face 3 teams with vastly better offenses in the future. Iowa has a good defense, but we will face 4 equal or better defenses in the future.
A 10-3 game doesn’t predict much success against teams that we will need a competent offense to stand a chance.
October 6th, 2019 at 6:22 PM ^
You actually went through the posts and added them up? What is wrong with you?
October 6th, 2019 at 8:10 PM ^
You're doing more bitching than anybody, bub.
October 6th, 2019 at 1:49 PM ^
Ranking seems about right. But if Iowa and Michigan were in the SEC as a 14 vs a 19 the media would be getting sooooo excited about how amazing the SEC defenses they saw in yesterday's game were and how neither team deserved to be out of the top 15.
IMO Florida and Auburn are both highly overrated. Also Texas and Boise St. and Oregon. And A&M in the poll at all is a freaking joke.
OSU should be 1 or 2. No way Clemson or UGA kicks the shit out of Sparty like they did.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:32 PM ^
I agree with everything you said. Except Clemson would beat MSU the same way. Georgia - NO and Clemson is worse this year than years past but they would beat MSU by about the same.
October 6th, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^
I think you may be overrating Sparty here. They looked far from convincing against Indiana a week earlier.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^
Hmmmm. Interesting.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:01 PM ^
Iowa, Michigan State and us couldn’t combine our offensive talents and produce a top 10 offense. That “all star” team would be whipped by the defenses of all three teams as well as OSU, Wisconsin and PSU.
10-3 win is a good win but we saw two good defenses slap around two inept offenses. I’m not going to pretend the D is suddenly vaunted. We’ve seen this before, the D records great games against shitty offenses, we get confident then a team like Wisconsin, PSU, OSU comes in and mops the floor with Don Brown’s mustache.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:11 PM ^
It would be interesting to see what Stanley or Lewerke could do with our receivers.
October 6th, 2019 at 5:56 PM ^
Lewerke is ass AND an ass.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:16 PM ^
I think you might have PTSD from the OSU game last year. Or maybe it is the two times we met pissed off teams on the road after their bye week - PSU last year and Wisky this year. It is hard to paste people by 3 or more TDs at home and not have a “revenge” factor the following year when the home / away flips. Yeesh. Apart from those 3 games I don’t really see the angle that Brown’s D gets torched by any decent offense.
October 6th, 2019 at 4:14 PM ^
You mean PSU two years ago. Last year we beat them 42-7.
October 6th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^
Wow. Minnesota cracks the Top 25. Well until they play someone any good anyways
October 6th, 2019 at 5:59 PM ^
I hope Minnesota stays perfect while we get our act together offensively and run the table.
That happens and we play in Indy for The Little Brown Jug.
October 6th, 2019 at 6:04 PM ^
Question though would the Little Brown Jug be at stake if it was at the Big Ten Title Game
October 6th, 2019 at 6:53 PM ^
It would be sacrilegious if it's not.