CFP initial rankings predictions

Submitted by Koop on October 30th, 2023 at 11:35 AM

It's predictions time, baby!

The College Football Playoff committee's first rankings for the final (hallelujah) four-team playoff come out Tuesday night. 

Who ya got?

Your author's humble prediction:

  1. Ohio State
  2. Georgia
  3. Florida State
  4. Washington

First two out:

      5. Michigan
      6. Oregon

Extra credit to rank further, including Texas, Oklahoma, Penn State, Alabama, Ole Miss, Missouri, LSU, Notre Dame, etc.

Fame and glory await you! Let's go!

raleighwood

October 30th, 2023 at 12:40 PM ^

I'm not sure if Michigan gets in with one loss (if it's to OSU).  Their schedule has been that bad.  In that scenario, they'd have one ranked win (over PSU) for the whole season.  They wouldn't be Conference Champs, either.

In OSU's case last year, they had good wins over PSU and Notre Dame to help their case (and it was still a reasonably close call for them to get the last spot).  Sign-gate may also be a looming issue this year.  It might help the committee to have an excuse to leave Michigan out.  Michigan probably needs to win out (or somehow win the Conference Championship if there's a 3-way tie in the East).

 

rice4114

October 30th, 2023 at 1:56 PM ^

Penn State is out barring an absolute shit show finish. OSU/UM are on the mulligan line (with Georgia) until someone proves otherwise.

FSU is the problem right now. Nebraska might be the second best team if they were in the ACC and Im not kidding. The ACC is absolute garbage and FSU looks like they get a free pass. I feel 100% on Georgia's mulligan status. Washington has a murderers row in front of them. Oklahoma could beat Texas back to back and maybe not make the playoffs? 

BuckeyeChuck

October 30th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^

The age-old debate is whether the committee is to select the four BEST teams or the four teams with the best RESUME. In this first rankings the committee is going to be forced to show their hand.

If they value the four best teams (i.e., eye test), they'll have Georgia & Michigan as the top 2. But if they value the best resumes, people will be a bit surprised to see:

  1. Georgia as low as ~4-5
  2. OSU in the top two, perhaps #1

How the committee treats both Georgia & OSU will show us whether they more value the eye-test or the resume.

 

As for OSU potentially being #1...I don't want it. I do not want it. I DON'T want it. I. do. not. want. it.

I do not want it. I do not WANT it. I do not want it! Don't want it.

I DO NOT want it. I DO NOT WANT IT. Don't want it! I. DO. NOT. WANT. IT.

...don't want it.

Carcajou

October 30th, 2023 at 1:02 PM ^

If anything, I would think they would have chose the "best resume thus far" especially for the first couple of votes. They would not want to send the message that weak scheduling is the way to go, especially when there are more games to give the "eye test" and high-profile games to sort it all out for them.

WestQuad

October 30th, 2023 at 1:55 PM ^

It is definitely resume vs. eye test.

Resume so far:

  • OSU (ND and PSU)
  • FSU (LSU, Duke and Clemson though Clemson has faded and Louisville's blow out of Duke diminishes that win.)
  • Washington (Oregon win is big.  Lousy wins over ASU and Stanford hurt)
  • Georgia (Kentucky is a quality win.  Florida and Auburn wins help despite them being down.)
  • Michigan (We haven't played anyone decent yet.)
  • After Next week:
  • OSU, Washington (Beats USC), GA (beats Missour), FSU (beats Pitt), Michigan (beats Purdue)

EOY Resume: 

  • Georgia  (beats Ole Miss, TN and wins SEC)
  • Michigan (beats PSU, OSU and wins the B1G)
  • Washington (beats Utah, Oregon State, Washington State and wins the Pac-12)
  • FSU (beats Florida, Miami and wins the ACC.  Meh.)
  • OSU (Loss to Michigan puts them out. If Michigan were to lose to OSU we would be out.)

Eye Test:

  • Michigan
  • Georgia
  • FSU/OSU/Washington--They've all had underwhelming games.

 

If FSU loses I could see Texas or maybe Alabama getting in.

If Washington loses I could see the same thing.  You can't put Oregon in over them and who from the PAC is left to complain?

Thinking about strength of schedule I was thinking Washington had a pretty tough schedule including MSU and then I remembered that MSU sucks.   I then wondered allowed if we even had MSU on our schedule this year because they aren't in our remaining games.  LOL  Where's the threat?

Koop

October 30th, 2023 at 11:47 AM ^

To be clear: I have Michigan as #1, no question. Georgia #2. Suckeyes #3. UDub as a placeholder at #4.

But the CFP committee has done this $4!+ before--ranking teams, and specifically Michigan, lower based on "strength of schedule" (while leaving the SEC representative ranked higher), and then justifying it by saying "it'll sort itself out in The Game."

Not approving the behavior; just predicting it.

winterblue75

October 30th, 2023 at 11:37 AM ^

I tend to agree that the committee is looking for any reason to keep UM out of the top 4, whether it is schedule ( that they can say) or now the sign shit, which they can't.

Maison Bleue

October 30th, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^

Then they'd have to do the same for Georgia.

UM FBS opponents combined record: 31-33

UGA FBS opponents combined record: 22-35

Georgia's Non-con schedule is worse than Michigan's, they played UAB, Ball St, Tenn-Martin. Wowza that's bad, weird how we don't hear about that every five minutes.

UM - SOS according to Sagarin: 68

UGA - SOS According to Sagarin: 81

Durham Blue

October 30th, 2023 at 12:04 PM ^

To be fair, I have heard a lot of the talking heads spouting off on UGA's strength of schedule as well.  But they are almost unanimously provided the benefit of the doubt based on being the two time national champs.  I don't like the second sentence at all.  Rank the four best teams THIS SEASON.  This is a new season and fresh slate.  And that said, I still do think UGA should be ranked #1.  They have come up big on their two toughest games to date -- Kentucky and Florida.  You can argue that both teams are overrated but UGA handled them in much the same way that Michigan has handled its toughest opponents thus far.  And the game against Florida was without their best player.  So yeah, UGA should be #1.  Michigan #2.

umfan83

October 30th, 2023 at 1:22 PM ^

I think there needs to be more context though beyond just the overall SOS number.  Any of the top 5 teams should have no issues beating a team 70 or below.  Sure its going to be much easier to beat a bad G5 school than it would be to beat Michigan State but all the top 5 are going to win those games.

What I'm looking at is have they tested themselves against top competition?  Using SP+ here are the top 3 opponents of all 5 of the undefeated teams:

OSU: 9, 10, 27

FSU: 12, 21, 29

Wash: 6, 32, 55

UGA: 25, 35, 43

UM: 49, 50, 51

If you put those 15 opponents in order, Michigan's opponents would be 12th, 13th and 14th in that list

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate...I think the rankings should be a mix of how dominant a team is and the metrics that go along with it, and your resume.  Michigan is number 1 in terms of dominance, number 5 in terms of resume.  I think they should be 2 or 3 in the CFP rankings.  But my guess is the committee will have them 5th.

 

rice4114

October 30th, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^

You dont hear about it on this board because the MGOBORG arent pissed that the home schedule sucks for Georgia. We must let everyone know through posts and podcasts how upset we are we arent playing teams like Vanderbilt and Gtech in the OOC. 

Our top 5 opponents are 26-14 with 3 of them being Big Ten teams that are bowl eligible or above .500. Beating them all by 40 pts game in and game out. Crazy. Not bad for a number 5 team. 

Wolverine91

October 30th, 2023 at 11:37 AM ^

Not that it matters rn, but Michigan is clearly a top 2 team. Whoever says otherwise is just being a little bitch ie Ryan day and janklin

Maison Bleue

October 30th, 2023 at 11:38 AM ^

If your ranking is accurate then the CFP committee don't know ball.

1. Georgia

2. Michigan

3. UW

4. FSU

IMO - Georgia and UM should be flipped, but SEC bias will prevail.

G. Gulo of the Dale

October 30th, 2023 at 12:34 PM ^

I don't know if FSU is "bettter" than UW, but FSU has played a tougher schedule and has wins over LSU, Clemson, and Duke.  UW has the best overall win (Oregon) but were outplayed in the game, and had two "Boston College-like" episodes against ASU and Stanford; were it not for some questionable calls late in the ASU game and an easy, dropped catch on a 4th-and-two by Stanford, UW could have lost both of those games.  Their second-best win is a one-touchdown victory over Arizona.   

G. Gulo of the Dale

October 30th, 2023 at 5:11 PM ^

But I didn't say "tough"--I said "tougher" than Washington, as in I've not seen a strength of schedule metric that puts UW above FSU based on SOS. 

I think UW is capable of destroying those teams, but how can that be a given when the Huskies have had games come down the wire against multiple, below average P5 teams?  Here are teams that are currently ranked above Stanford on Sagarin:  Rice, Idaho, S. Illinois, N. Illinois, Ohio U., FAU.  UW generally looks amazing when Penix takes care of the ball, but then against 1-5 ASU, they didn't score a single offensive touchdown. 

I'm not stumping for FSU--I think both UW and FSU are in a class below UGA and UM--I'm just claiming that putting them above UW is defensible.  

G. Gulo of the Dale

October 30th, 2023 at 5:26 PM ^

I already admitted that UW has the best win.  Everyone knows Clemson is 4-4.  I just happen to think that 4-4 Clemson is still a decent team and better than any team that UW has beaten outside of Oregon.  UW should get credit for beating Oregon, but Oregon outplayed them on the road and should have won by multiple scores.  I couldn't care less whether UW or FSU gets ranked higher, but I don't know why it's obvious that UW is more deserving.  They are currently ranked 15th (!) on Sagarin. 

trueblueintexas

October 30th, 2023 at 12:23 PM ^

If that's the standard, then UW's one win against Oregon looks far better than OSU's two wins against ND & PSU. 

The ranking should be:

#1 Georgia being the back-to-back defending champion who is undefeated. 

#2 Michigan as a back-to-back CFP participant & conference winner who is undefeated.

#3 UW as an undefeated with the best overall win with no carry over benefit from last year.

#4 OSU as an undefeated with better wins than FSU. Maybe they make it to #3 due to the carry over benefit from last year.

#5 FSU undefeated, no great wins, no carry over benefit

#6 Oregon best one loss team

#7 - 9 Texas/Alabama/Oklahoma are all in a mix with no clear pecking order due to head-to-head ambiguity

#10 - 11 PSU & Ole Miss

This gives FSU a clear path if they keep winning because Michigan & OSU still play each other. It also gives the committee flexibility to not drop the Michigan vs, OSU loser below FSU if the committee feels the one loss team is better than undefeated FSU. 

bronxblue

October 30th, 2023 at 11:39 AM ^

I can't imagine a world where UM isn't ranked in the top 4 but I guess you gotta reward OSU, FSU, and Washington for barely beating some mediocre teams because they won a game against a ranked team at some point.