CC: Sam Webb sees change coming
Nothing revolutionary but I thought it was worth pointing out that Sam Webb doesn't "see a scenario" in which Hackett doesn't make a change at the end of the season:
http://michigan.scout.com/story/1483906-recap-after-u-m-loss-retention-…
EDIT: quotes for those who don't want to load the video:
Yeah, I think that this loss, just...really undercut Brady. I think it undercut the retention chances that he had. ...
I just don't see a scenario at this point with this loss where Jim Hackett looks at it and says he's gonna not make a change. ...
That's not based on anything I've been told... I think this game kinda, I think it does him in.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:35 PM ^
Time to jump the shark!
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November 22nd, 2014 at 11:35 PM ^
Well...yeah
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November 22nd, 2014 at 11:36 PM ^
Love Sam but he's about 6 weeks behind. Hoke has known since Minnesota he wasn't coming back.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:44 PM ^
I think he knew after the Utah game he wasn't long for the world.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:58 PM ^
He's really been pushing the Hoke could come back narrative until now. I checked out at ND.
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:23 AM ^
Ditto
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:36 PM ^
But does he feel it in his gut?
November 23rd, 2014 at 2:08 PM ^
He is aware but not fully aware.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:36 PM ^
Helen Keller sees a change coming too. So what?
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:39 PM ^
Yeah she told me she heard it somewhere too
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:13 AM ^
that Brady could save his job for another year, and this terrified people, because Sam is well-connected. There was a lot of discussion about this in one of the podcasts (I forget which) in which Brian and Ace decided that some people with connections weren't necessarily talking from knowledge but rather from a general feeling for how Michigan would probably proceed.
If Sam is saying that he can't save his job, then we can breathe a little bit easier.
EDIT: It's basically important as an a fortiori argument: if even Sam thinks Hoke can't save his job...
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:37 PM ^
Should be accompanied with the ABC News sting.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:38 PM ^
The ridiculous thing is that people thought he could save his job by winning out....
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:05 AM ^
If we beat OSU in a convincing fashion, I guarantee that Hoke will be coach next year. I'll bet money on it right now.
November 23rd, 2014 at 4:19 AM ^
I won't go back to work again. I will bet money on it. Not happening
November 23rd, 2014 at 8:28 AM ^
Even if we blow out OSU (which, is crazy unlikely), we still lost to Maryland, Rutgers, and Minnesota. There is nothing he can do to make up for that.
November 23rd, 2014 at 9:32 AM ^
I had to catch my breath after I read that, thanks for the laughs... Not only beat Ohio, but convincingly? Not gonna happen, and absolutely not gonna happen!
November 23rd, 2014 at 1:18 AM ^
What was more ridiculous the assertion that they could win out or that Brady could keep his job if they did?
November 23rd, 2014 at 7:09 AM ^
Up until yesterday evening, winning out was statistically possible, of course, but obviously not very likely - pre-game estimate would have been about 4% or so. If indeed Hoke's chances at rentention were tied somehow to winning out, then his rentention was pretty unlikely too. With even that possibility gone and the prospect of bowl eligibility running through OSU now, retention would be unfathomable, in my opinion.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:43 PM ^
Yea this game did him in
Not the MSU game...
not the utah game...
This was the kicker.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:49 PM ^
Groundbreaking stuff.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:52 PM ^
but not fully aware.
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:08 AM ^
Like a probable, mild sense of awareness.
November 23rd, 2014 at 1:12 AM ^
Stop drinking and go to bed! I sure have...wait.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^
Real soothsayer there. What retention chances could Hoke have possibly held going into today? Was he holding Hackett's family hostage or something?
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:53 PM ^
I guess this must be news to some!
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:04 AM ^
Da . . . Da . . . Daaah !!!
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:07 AM ^
Sam was getting ripped by the fan base up until about two weeks ago. He started back tracking about two weeks ago, and qualifying his prior predictions. From all accounts Sam is well connected, especially on the recruiting scene.
But, he was definitely the most cautious if not tempered with his brandon gone, hoke gone, and harbaugh in predictions. It seems like others beat him to the punch a few times which caused him to change courses.
This will all play out in a few months, and we will see how credible everyone's sources and intuition are.
November 23rd, 2014 at 5:37 AM ^
The problem is that Chris Singletary is one of Webb's sources. So if Webb bad-mouths the coaching staff or says they're going to get fired, he's going to piss off Singletary and/or others. Webb needs inside info to do his job well, so he has to walk a fine line.
It's like a lot of things. There are certain things about which Webb should be trusted (recruiting, mainly), and there are certain things about which he probably shouldn't be (coaching changes, for example).
November 23rd, 2014 at 9:25 AM ^
damn Magnus. Sources are anonymous for a reason lol.
November 23rd, 2014 at 9:34 AM ^
don't worry, it's just between him and you
November 23rd, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
What good are his sources if his credibility is shot?
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:13 AM ^
It pains me to see my man Sam Webb so depressed. Keep your head up Sam. Can't wait to get excited about recruiting again, maybe next year. Flint town!!
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:18 AM ^
So how long after Brady is fired will Sam post an article about how he was the first to report that Brady would in fact be fired, pointing to this article as proof?
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:27 AM ^
He works in mysterious ways
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:34 AM ^
You're getting confused with the Tom Beaver
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:24 AM ^
The only uncertainty left now is about whether he'll be let go tomorrow, Monday, or after the "Ohio" game.
November 23rd, 2014 at 12:41 AM ^
Thanks, Sam. Glad you've been watching, man
November 23rd, 2014 at 1:02 AM ^
I understand people don't want to believe but if Michigan had won out. Hoke would be the Coach next year.
Hackett doesn't give a shit about recruiting, and why would he? Has great talent done anything?
If Michigan had beaten Maryland, OSU and won a bowl game, Hoke's back. But, the chances were slim and now that's over.
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November 23rd, 2014 at 2:09 AM ^
all this week. Sam and Ira are trying to preserve their connections. Sam has been unbelieveable for at least a month. Anyone connected to Hoke has had his back all season. Nice guy but so in over his head in this job.
At least now, no one can claim he should stay. It has to end now.
The only question is, can Hackett get Jim to say yes. IF not, Les better be coming or we are officially Purdue.
November 23rd, 2014 at 2:11 AM ^
all this week. Sam and Ira are trying to preserve their connections. Sam has been unbelieveable for at least a month. Anyone connected to Hoke has had his back all season. Nice guy but so in over his head in this job.
At least now, no one can claim he should stay. It has to end now.
The only question is, can Hackett get Jim to say yes. IF not, Les better be coming or we are officially Purdue.
November 23rd, 2014 at 2:14 AM ^
I think Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio are starting to believe him. Never in a million years I would have thought that. Selling Michigan jerseys is a good start.
November 23rd, 2014 at 2:35 AM ^
It felt good to posbang you there.
November 23rd, 2014 at 3:12 AM ^
So this is the moment everyone who thought Sam Webb was in any way reasonable in the last month realizes he was just spouting nothing but wishful thinking just to push against the grain and keep up the company line.
November 23rd, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^
Ptetty much.
November 23rd, 2014 at 9:57 AM ^
bando, Sam was holding the fort, of sorts, because it affects recruiting. Had hoke won out, he may have stayed...and any rashness wouldve been proven to be wrong. Plus it keeps the team trying.
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November 23rd, 2014 at 10:23 AM ^
Getting a new coach will help recruiting. Any coach. There's always buzz and the promise of at least three or four years of program stability.
Getting a coach with NFL experience or a track record in college of sending lots of guys to the NFL will maybe even improve our recruiting.