CC: Adam Schefter on Countdown: Harbaugh to Michigan

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Presented as an aside to discussion about drafting Andrew Luck, "sources say" Harbaugh to Ann Arbor.  He usually has good information.

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duffman is thr…

December 27th, 2010 at 3:11 AM ^

"That's the way they do it in the real world of reporting.  Sports might be different."

 

That's pretty relevant you know since, like, that's what you are talking about and stuff.

Section 1

December 27th, 2010 at 12:53 PM ^

Note the sarcasm.  "Sports reporting" < "the real world of reporting."  At least not as it is practiced by some of the sports blabbers who get the attention of the MGoBlog crowd, apparently.  Sports reporting could be real reporting, and it is real reporting as practiced by some, but it might be less entertaining, with fewer rapidly-occurring spicy rumors if they really, like, followed the usual rules.

BlueVoix

December 26th, 2010 at 3:03 PM ^

I wouldn't really say Schefter is a "random asshole."  The guy has obvious Michigan pride (always has a Michigan helmet behind him during his segments on ESPN) and I've never seen him take an unwarranted shot at the program.  Nor do I think it's clear that he has an agenda towards or against one coach from an offhanded remark.  Maybe he's just reporting general sentiments from the guys in the NFL he knows.  Maybe he knows something more concrete.  But he didn't say it was a done deal and he didn't claim it was happening without a doubt. 

No reason to take a shot at him.

Section 1

December 26th, 2010 at 3:24 PM ^

is precisely why somebody needs to take a shot at him.

If you guys like him so much, and respect him so much, then let's get him to come to MGoBlog and answer questions about who his sources were and why he won't name them.

God damn, the tolerance for rumor and innuendo is amazing.

BlueVoix

December 26th, 2010 at 3:42 PM ^

Yes, I'm sure the paid ESPN analyst will come to this blog to shoot down an offhanded remark he made.  It's a comment.  No one said he is absolutely coming and no one said he absolutely is not.  The tolerance for rumor and innuendo is amazing? 

This is a message board.  On the internet.

KOB Returns

December 26th, 2010 at 4:20 PM ^

That outside the world of MgoBlog and Scout, where Rich Rodriguez fans control the destinies of fellow posters by dropping sissy points on or taking them away, Shefter has more than a modicum of credibility.

See, out in the real world he doesn't have to say nice things about Rich Rodriguez to win a popularity poll among a bunch of guys denying the inevitable and who are willing to make excuses for a guy who is nowhere close to earning his paycheck and is not worth all the embarrassment he as brought to a university to which so many (grads? Ahem) here profess an undying love.

MichiganFootball

December 26th, 2010 at 5:12 PM ^

No offense but if someone comes to him (say for argument sake it's David Brandon or someone in the know) and tells him that Jim Harbaugh will be the next coach at the University of Michigan, but you cannot quote me on that and you can't even say the nature of your source.  What's he supposed to do not report it?  And the thing that makes it believable is that Schefter has a track record of not making things up.  And that's the key point-track records matter.  Just because he's reporting news that you may not like, doesn't mean he's wrong.

Fuzzy Dunlop

December 26th, 2010 at 7:54 PM ^

This just in -- Woodward and Bernstein not legitimate journalists.  Nor are any of the other myriad journalists who have won Pulitzer Prizes by breaking stories through the use of anonymous sources.  Section 1, that renowned expert on journalistic ethics, has spoken.

befuggled

December 26th, 2010 at 10:02 PM ^

Is that journalists can get use them to get at stories that they can't get on the record. Many sources can't realistically give out their names. However, anonymous sources often have their own agenda and their anonymity makes it easier to manipulate the journalist and the coverage.

Anybody remember Kirk Herbstreit using an anonymous source to report that Les Miles was the new coach at Michigan? Herby's source may well have been trying to influence the proceedings. The source could have been someone in the Michigan athletic department trying to get the deal killed (which it was), or it could have been Miles' agent trying to get a little more money out of LSU.

In this case, we don't know who Schefter's source is, so we can't evaluate whether they're in a position to actually know what's going on or what their motivation is. Suppose Schefter's source is Harbaugh's agent. He would certainly be in a position to know, but he wouldn't necessarily be telling the truth. If Harbaugh's name is associated with the Michigan job, Harbaugh or his agent can negotiate a bigger salary regardless of whether he signs an extension at Stanford, he goes to the 49ers or another NFL team, or he does end up at Michigan.

Fuzzy Dunlop

December 26th, 2010 at 10:16 PM ^

In this case, we don't know who Schefter's source is, so we can't evaluate whether they're in a position to actually know what's going on or what their motivation is.

Which is where the reporter's reputation comes into play.  Good reporters know when they're being fed a line of shit, and don't report it because their credibility was on the line.  Herby got played.  There is a reason he doesn't have a reputation for breaking stories.

Reporters like Schefter, who do have a reputation for breaking stories, don't breathlessly regurgitate every piece of shit rumor they're fed.  They are the gatekeeper; they determine whether a source is in a position to know the information they are feeding us, and whether they have reason to lie.  Their credibility is their currency -- because the Schefters of the world are right so much more often than the Herbstreits and Wilbons, we trust that they have done the legwork to ensure the accuracy of the info they're presenting.

goblue20111

December 26th, 2010 at 2:52 PM ^

Yeah Urban Meyer is a real sack of shit.  Can you believe he quit a multmillion dollar job where he's beloved to be a better father? The audacity of that motherfucker. 

 

/sarcasm

I really think I lose more braincells reading the comments on this site than I've lost in years of smoking weed and drinking heavily.  Yeah, let's keep trying to win with this whole bullshit notion of "class".  We'll be the next Notre Dame in notime!

Section 1

December 26th, 2010 at 3:40 PM ^

Ohlmeyer seems to like Adam Schefter, per this ESPN-Ombudsman column:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=ohlmeyer_don&id=5220492

At the same time, Ohlmeyer decried the rampant use of anonymous sources.

So how about this:

Dear Mr. Ohlmeyer,

In May of this year, you cautioned ESPN readers/viewers and, presumably, the ESPN staff about anonymous sources.  You seemingly went out of your way to laud the work of Adam Schefter.

Now, Schefter has relied on anonymous sources to report that Jim Harbaugh may be headed to Michigan to replace Ridh Rodriguez.  Schefter didn't identify the sources by any other description, such as the general position of the individual.  Schefter didn't say why his sources might need anonymity.  Those are the two hallmarks -- along with approval by a higher-ranking editor -- of normal journalistic rules for anonymous sources.

So did Schefter follow any of those guidelines?

Sincerely,

"Sent."

buckeyeh8er

December 26th, 2010 at 3:51 PM ^

What someone says, I am an AS fan but at this point I just want the bowl game to get here, go down and enjoy a Michigan victory and then sit back and watch what happens with our coaching staff.  With or without speculation from sources I think we are still a good 10 days away from "knowing" anything.

el segundo

December 26th, 2010 at 8:54 PM ^

Earlier in this thread, you posted that you thought that Schefter was just making an assumption based on previous news reports and rumors. 

That's a personal shot at Schefter.

Schefter reported that he got his information from "sources," not reading the newspaper or from his own speculation So you must think that he's: (1) lying; and (2) being a crappy reporter by repackaging assumptions as fact.

ChalmersE

December 26th, 2010 at 4:57 PM ^

can we all remember that whatever our view on the coaching situation, or for that matter the defense, or Tate's future, the vast majority of posters here, love Michigan.  Just because you disagree with a view posted, it doesn't help to post an ad hominem response.

maznbluwolverine

December 26th, 2010 at 5:12 PM ^

Isn't it funy though how the AD from Stanford says JH getting ready to sign an extension any time and now Harbaugh says he must have gotten his facts wrong?  That should say something right there.

swamyblue

December 26th, 2010 at 7:00 PM ^

Jebus, I'm getting negged bomb for asking for a source. WTF is going on today. We've had a great month with recruits. Just say'in! Things aren't that bad, are they?

mackbru

December 26th, 2010 at 7:42 PM ^

Again: Adam Schefter is not some clown talking-head. He's a respected reporter with a reputation for accuracy and great sourcing. That's why what he says is relevant. Stop broad-brushing everyone in the media.

UMAmaizinBlue

December 26th, 2010 at 8:06 PM ^

When we all fight...and the day after Christmas, no less. Also, nobody has pinned me yet, so it's still Festivus. Wait, is this the airing of grievances? If so, I got a lot of problems with you people!

bluenyc

December 26th, 2010 at 8:25 PM ^

Since we are mentioning what MSM are saying about JH.  Peter King on NBC's football night said he talked to JH about Luck and there is a chance Luck stays for another year.  I caught it while having dinner and there was alot of talking, so hopefully someone can confirm as well.

chewieblue

December 26th, 2010 at 9:30 PM ^

I can't wait 'til another person utters the words,  "No one knows what DB is thinking."  It's a simple and yet really stupid effort to silence a head coach thread.

 

 

Section 1

December 26th, 2010 at 11:35 PM ^

the level of willful ignorance demonstrated tonight on MGoBlog, on the proper use of "anonymous sources" is really staggering to me.  If someone wants to say, "Schefter's been right in the past; I wouldn't bet against him," I'd say, that's not my point.  He might be right.  He might be wrong, as so many others have in the recent past.

If someone wants to alternatively say, "This is sports!  It ain't national security, or a federal prosceution!" I'd also say, fine; if you think Schefter occupies a position of sub-journalistic infotainment, I might agree.

But for the people who accused me of not knowing how source-anonymity is supposed to work, well, here's the New York Times to help you out:

 

 

Principles for Granting Anonymity

The use of unidentified sources is reserved for situations in which the newspaper could not otherwise print information it considers reliable and newsworthy. When we use such sources, we accept an obligation not only to convince a reader of their reliability but also to convey what we can learn of their motivation – as much as we can supply to let a reader know whether the sources have a clear point of view on the issue under discussion.

In routine interviewing – that is, most of the interviewing we do – anonymity must not be automatic or an assumed condition. In that kind of reporting, anonymity should not be offered to a source. Exceptions will occur in the reporting of highly sensitive stories, when it is we who have sought out a source who may face legal jeopardy or loss of livelihood for speaking with us. Similarly they will occur in approaches to authoritative officials in government who, as a matter of policy, do not speak for attribution. On those occasions, we may use an offer of anonymity as a wedge to make telephone contact, get an interview or learn a fact. In such a case, the reporter should press the source, after the conversation, to go on the record with the newsworthy information that has emerged.

Whenever anonymity is granted, it should be the subject of energetic negotiation to arrive at phrasing that will tell the reader as much as possible about the placement and motivation of the source – in particular, whether the source has firsthand knowledge of the facts.

In any situation when we cite anonymous sources, at least some readers may suspect that the newspaper is being used to convey tainted information or special pleading. If the impetus for anonymity has originated with the source, further reporting is essential to satisfy the reporter and the reader that the paper has sought the whole story.

We will not use anonymous sourcing when sources we can name are readily available.

Confidential sources must have direct knowledge of the information they are giving us — or they must be the authorized representatives of an authority, known to us, who has such knowledge.

We do not grant anonymity to people who are engaged in speculation, unless the very act of speculating is newsworthy and can be clearly labeled for what it is.

We do not grant anonymity to people who use it as cover for a personal or partisan attack. If pejorative opinions are worth reporting and cannot be specifically attributed, they may be paraphrased or described after thorough discussion between writer and editor. The vivid language of direct quotation confers an unfair advantage on a speaker or writer who hides behind the newspaper, and turns of phrase are valueless to a reader who cannot assess the source.

Anonymity should not be invoked for a trivial comment, or to make an unremarkable comment appear portentous.

We do not promise sources that we will refrain from additional reporting or efforts to verify the information being reported.

We do not promise sources that we will refrain from seeking comment from others on the subject of the story. (We may, however, agree to a limited delay in further inquiries – until the close of stock trading, for example.)

Responsibilities of Editors

When anonymity is granted, reporter and source must understand that the commitment is undertaken by the newspaper, not alone by an individual journalist. Any editor who learns a source's identity is required to maintain exactly the same confidentiality as the reporter. That editor may not divulge the identity to other reporters, or to unauthorized editors. And the editor may not use the source – either for reporting on the current story or for later ones.

  • In the case of a routine story with unidentified sourcing, the name or explicit role of the source should be conveyed confidentially to the reporter's department head. At the discretion of the department head – and provided the reporter agrees – the responsibility for learning about the source may be delegated to a subordinate supervising editor. (Departments are expected to formulate their own day-to-day routines, in consultation with reporters, for expeditious handling of source information.) In all such routine cases, the department head is accountable for knowing the identity of the source, or for knowing which subordinate editor has been informed. Upon request, the executive editor and the managing editors are entitled to know the identity of the source.
  • In the case of a moderately sensitive story, the reporter may wish to share the identity with the executive editor or managing editor only. Such a request should be honored without prejudice, and not taken to signify a lack of trust.
  • In the case of exceptionally sensitive reporting, on crucial issues of law or national security in which sources face dire consequences if exposed, the reporter may appeal to the executive editor for total confidentiality. In such circumstances, intended to be extremely rare, the executive editor may choose to ask for only a limited description of the source and waive the right to know the full identity. Only the executive editor may approve such a request.

The standards editor, while not necessarily entitled to know the identity of a confidential source, is responsible for spot-checking compliance with our procedures – that is, for knowing which editors have learned the identity.

Forms of Attribution to Confidential Sources

When we agree to anonymity, the reporter's duty is to obtain terms that conceal as little as possible of what the reader needs to gauge reliability. We should distinguish conscientiously between high-level and lower-level executives or officials. We should not use blind attribution – "sources said," for example – which is more a tease than a signpost. Attribution should never amount to a truism: since "source" merely means a provider of information, "one source said" is equivalent to "somebody said." And "informed" or "reliable source" is no improvement. (Would The Times quote an uninformed or unreliable one?) The objection is not to the word "source," but to its emptiness without a meaningful modifier: "a Senate source," for example, may be acceptable – unless, of course, it is possible to tell the reader still more. The word "official" is overused, and cries out for greater specificity.

Trail markers should be as detailed as possible. "United States diplomat" is better than "Western diplomat," which is better than "diplomat." Still better is "a United States diplomat who took part in the meeting." And "a lawyer who has read the brief" or "an executive close to the XYZ Company" is far better than "a person familiar with the case," a phrase so vague that it could even mean the reporter.

Readers value signs of candor: "The report was provided by a Senate staff member working to defeat the bill."

Whenever possible, in writing about documents we should specify how we received them.

We should avoid automatic references to sources who "insisted on anonymity" or "demanded anonymity"; rote phrases offer the reader no help and make our decisions appear automatic. When possible, though, articles should tersely explain what kind of understanding was actually reached by reporter and source, and should shed light on the reasons and the source's motives.

In editing on the copy desk or at higher levels, the description of a source must never be altered without consultation with the reporter who made the confidentiality commitment.

It should go without saying that The Times is truthful. We do not dissemble about our sources – we do not, for example, refer to a single person as "sources" and do not say "other officials" when quoting someone who has already been cited by name. We do not say a source has refused to comment if in fact that person has commented off the record. (We may, however, say – when it is true – that the source refused to comment on a specific aspect of the story.) There can be no prescribed formula for attribution, but it must be literally truthful, and not coy.

Multiple Anonymous Sources

When we grant anonymity, we do not necessarily require multiple sources. A cabinet official, for example, or the White House adviser on national security, may require anonymity while conveying a policy decision that is clearly "authorized," necessitating no corroborating source.

But when we grant anonymity for less verifiable assertions – especially if they form a disputed account, or are potentially damaging to one side in a court case, for example – corroborating sources are often necessary. The reporter should confer with the department head or senior deputy to agree upon the need and the number.

In such a case, the reporter and editor must be satisfied that the sources are genuinely independent of one another, not connected behind the scenes in any kind of "echo chamber" that negates the value of a cross-check.

http://www.nytco.com/company/business_units/sources.html