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Bye bye, RichRod
I would have been pissed to see this yesterday, but holy god how can a team be this bad.
You spelled defense wrong. Our offense is pretty sweet.
gas on the fire!
This will end well!
So how about that Jim Harbaugh!
I wouldn't be upset at getting a new coach, but Harbaugh would be the worst we could get next year. That would require rebuilding the defense AND offense over the next 4 years. They need to get a defensive minded coach and hire an offensive coordinator that runs the spread.
is a long-term decision. You don't bring in a new HC just to fit the types of players on the roster (see: last U-M coaching hire). Harbaugh is a very solid college HC, and he's proven it at every turn.
My point is that the first thing that Harbaugh would do when he got here is change our offensive philosophy. You are going to have the same attrition that we had when RR came in. When people don't see results for the next 3 years because he has to rebuild our offense and defense, he is going to be in the same hot water that RR was in.
We need to continue building on what we have or we don't have a shot for the next few years.
Sure, RR needed specific players, but Harbaugh wouldn't need personnel unlike what we have now. You can run a pro-style offense with an athletic offensive line, receivers and backs that are both large and athletic. As for quarterback, just go with Tate and that's probably all he needs.
Defense is the real problem anyways, and it's more difficult to build a great defense. Plenty of teams throughout the country run an efficient gimmicky offense, but when they play good teams, they see what's happening to us now.
It's much more difficult to adapt pro style players to a spread offense than vice versa.
This is no time for rational thought!
Uh...what defense. We have none...it is one thing to lose to Iowa, but this is beyond pathetic.
Meh, Harbaugh is a brilliant coach, I'm less worried about him making lemonade out of the brights spots on our offense. But for the fact that I feel like he'll end up in the pros before too long, he is the best cultural and recruiting fit at least.
Agreed there is a bunch of Harbaugh buzz in the NFL right now. I'd be very surprised if he came to Michigan over an NFL offer.
Firstly, NFL isn't going to be happening next year. So, some team's gonna hire him to do nothing?
Secondly, chance to coach at the alma mater, and if Brandon wanted him he'd throw enough money at him to make it happen. Plus Brandon's a marketing guy. You don't think he could sell Harbaugh on the opportunity to return M to glory?
I don't think this will happen and support RR. But speaking in hypotheticals, Harbaugh taking an opportunity to coach here - if it were offered - wouldn't surprise me. What would surprise me more is the opportunity getting offered to begin with. I think RR will be here a long time.
I agree. Pat Fitzgerald would be numero uno on my list.
As smart as that guy is, he really thinks he can turn NWU into a consistent Rose Bowl contender.
I agree. He is the best coach in the BigTen, but we will never get him from his alma-mater. God, can't believe I am saying we can't get the coach from Northwestern.
I have defended Rich Rod for a while and gave him opportunity after opporntunity and coming off a bye you look like this. Not only did the defense look very unprepared but the offense just isn't scoring. Everyone points to MSU and Iowa but they got most of those points in desperation time against prevents. At some point it is time to realize a bad investment. Harbaugh, coming to a football field near you.
For 2 years I have been given negative points for voicing my opinion about Rich Rodriguez.....I hope this game is the nail in the coffin. Jim Harbaugh is available, we need a Michigan Man now before we become another Nebraska under Bill Callahan, this is a disgrace, and for the 1st time in my life I am disgraced to be a Michigan fan. I never thought I would miss Llyod Carr, but I do...I'd give anything for the Pro-Style Kirk Ferentz style coaching. Please Dave Brandon save us!!!!!
why would Jim H. come to Michigan right now with the state of our roster and recruiting?
The U-M HC seat sure doesn't have the luster it did three years ago, but I think Harbaugh would come just for the opportunity to the be the savior of his alma mater. "In U-M's darkest hour, one man rose from the ruins . . . "
Brandon won't call unless Harbaugh wants the job. Brnadon won't let another Miles mess transpire.
Because it gives him an excuse for the next 3 years.
He wants the job bad. The way he was close with Bo and the program. He was always building his resume to be the Michigan coach.
Have you ever been to Palo Alto? You could be standing 10 yards outside their stadium and not know there's a game going on.
Because he's an arrogant dude who would love nothing more than to be the guy who restored Michigan to being Michigan. I'm not kidding. And I don't mean this in a negative way. It's time for someone to step up and instill confidence in this program. I have thought Rich could really do that, but it's not really happening. The formula's not working, and at this point I think it's a toss up as to whether it's a better idea to stick with Rich or bring in fresh blood. It looks more and more like the Rodriguez experiment may have to be chalked up as a mistake, though...
THAT SAID, there are 4 games to be played, and 2 are potentially winnable. I'm sure DB will look at the entire body of work and make a decision. If we can eek out a bowl game, I think it's worth continuing the experiment for another year.
Another thing to consider regarding the coaching question: I do not want us to fire Rod unless there is a clearcut guy to target. Brandon, IMO, must have a sure-fire guy or 2 in mind that are essentially "can't miss". If not, I have no desire in seeing a 'project' take over. Harbaugh fits the bill, IMO, as a "can't miss guy'".
fortunately, Purdue is still on our schedule.
We are already Nebraska under Bill Callahan I am still worried that we might lose Jim Harbaugh to the NFL and a truck load of cash.
It's crackheads like you that make times like these so unbearable.
If you've been dogging RR for two years, you deserved every neg you got. RR may not be the right coach for Michigan, but you couldn't have known that two years ago; RR was in his FIRST SEASON as head coach. You were just another idiot afraid of change and mindlessly calling for a "Michigan Man" to take the helm. What a dumb notion: only a "Michigan Man" can lead Michigan's football team to the promised land, and no other man will do. RIIIIIGGGHHHT.
The fucked up thing is how can you prepare for PSU? They are starting a fucking walk-on, and has to rely on Royster. Not much to prepare for. It would seem that all you have to do is just show the fuck up. But no, they are treating PSU like they're fucking lepers, and not even trying to tackle. I'm trying to be cool, and trying to hang in there for the coach because I REALLY like him, but this is starting to get out of hand. Getting rid of Schafer was a bad idea.
I try and try to be true to RR. I like him, I honestly do, but Good God man! Two weeks to prepare and we get this crap! Against a really bad Penn St. team? Come on! It's getting to the point where I can't keep defending RR.
amen, end of RR era.
Game over man, game over.
I thought we were Michigan fans here, not Rich Rod fans.
What's different about anything? Why should this all of a sudden be the tipping point? The secondary is still the secondary, and the line minus Mike Martin is no surprise either.
PSU's doing a nice job giving McGloin playcalls that don't let his weaknesses show through, and it helps that he has a running game, and the only reason that's the case is because Martin's out.
To make a long story short: rabble rabble rabble rabSHUT UP.
Are we ever going to win a Big 10 game that isn't by a couple points to Indiana? Are we going to hire a DC that gets to run a defense he thinks makes sense? Are we going to coach our players up instead of letting them regress? Are we going to rely entirely on our offense every single game, one that works sometimes against other conferences but not ours? I'm sorry, PSU is terrible this year, and there's no reason to be down to them like this.
So you can be a blind optimist but no one else can offer any criticisms? STFU
STFU? Apparently I can't be an optimist, Mr. Pot.
You really are unsmart. Rabble Rabble Rabble. You can offer that crap up to discount what others say and it's fine? You were being a snarky poo poo head. I am not giving up on the players but I am done with RR and his staff.
Bad words edited so this post doesn't become locked.
Whoa, look who's Mr. Sensitive today. Got both guns blazing, I see. Trying for Scott Tenorman of the week?
Nice edit, BTW. Wouldn't want to get caught getting too personal.
Apologies but it seemed as though you were insulting anyone who has lost faith and I think that it is a very fair and balanced criticism/thought process at this point.
About that name calling. This is the thread warning. I don't care what side you're (all inclusive) on, do it and negbombs/potential temporary ban. Remain civil with responses. Focus hate on something tangible and not ad hominem.
In other words, civil irrationality
Let the game play out. RR isnt going anywhere. These posters are out of their element. Nosce. You are better than that.
Go blue! Yes im drunk. Hold me.
And uh, the offense?
We've given Rodriguez a lot of time and psu is not a good team this year. If Brian can admit it's about time to move on, why can't we?
Exactly what I was thinking. People chill out. What happens if RichRod comes back, we eventually get a D, and we start winning again? Will you refuse to cheer or refuse to say RichRod is a good coach? Stop being bandwagoners. Don't jump off when things are bad.
Give me a break. Be a Michigan fan. Not just a Michigan fan when winning. Even if we lose today, we could still get 1-2 more and have the record most of us predicted at the start of the year.
are those wins going to come against? I would rather cut bait and start over now. In the end it will save another year of suffering through this.
So if we fired RR now & hired another coach, there wouldn't be a transition?
There WOULD be. And it wouldn't "save another year of suffering through this." Not at all. It would keep the transition going.
My point is that we knew what we had at the start of the year but thanks to Denard's quick start it got our expectations way higher than what we initially thought. We KNEW our defense could and probably would doom us. How is that such a surprise now? We are in the Top 3 for offense in the entire country. I'd say that's progress. We need help on defense -- and that is exactly where we thought we'd be at the start of the year.
It's not about being a bandwagoner. Most have supported and defended this team since RR came in. For me (and what looks like many others) this was the tipping point. I hope for the best but I don't think RR is the answer anymore and it pains me to say that.
if we lose this game the only winnable game on paper is Purdue. And that is no gimme given our defense...
it is not looking good. This is a MUST win game, unfortunately.
I'll say, this game removes my presumption in favor of RRod. I think he is an all out genuine guy and would love to see him as a Michigan dynasty coach, but if he can't win against this Penn State, then I think the clock starts counting before we start over unless he can prove otherwise. I would love to see a miraculous comeback though and momentum.
Seriously though.... This defense is BAD! They're gettin blown off the line, and pushed around like nothin! This is NOT Michigan Football! I can't remember the last time I gave up and turned the game off, but I'm really thinking of going to bed! That Stanford team looks good though!
Now bring on the negatron points!
Harbaugh, were waiting for you to deliver. Again.
in b4 lock!! lolz!!!11!!1!
Won't be locked unless it devolves into name calling between commenters or such immense stupidity such as calling RR stupid names.
EDIT: Oh, and those still committed to RR, including myself, have their own points. Their arguments are totally invalid. Doesn't mean that they are totally right. We all understand this. Just breathe deep before trying to respond.
+1 for allowing discussion. Make the mods proud, MGoBloggers!
Appropriate words on the day of the Rally to Restore Sanity.
Alcohol + youth make this an epic endeavor
Stanford is winning 41-0
im sure WVU was winning big during the horror...
62-24 for the record
Stanford 41 @Washington 0.
Oregon still wooped that ass a few weeks back with seniors all over their defense
has the best offense in the country. Also, spread teams (I know, I know) are particularly problematic for less athletic defenses, no matter how disciplined or well-coached those defenses may be.
They're Stanford, man. Do you understand what that means?
I'm having a hard time defending him at this point.
When they panned over to RR he had the same look on his face as he did when Pitt beat them and cost WVU a chance at a MNC. Deer in headlights.
You know their offense is having a day when they interview Paterno and he is all pretty much positive when talking about them. He always finds something to criticize.
I know that everyone will point to the injuries and the like, but PSU have the same problems and just pout up 28 points with a walk-on QB and were able to slow down the offense for UM. At some point, that goes to coaching, and RR deserves to be ridiculed. I'm not calling for him to be canned, but you HAVE to play better than this after 2 weeks.
When is the Bye bye, RichRod movie coming out?
...I have been stalwart in his defense.
But really, have we seen any improvement from 3 years ago?
Yes, Forcier and Robinson are significantly better than Sheridan and Threet. And so, we are able to score points a litlle easier. But other than that, are we better.
At this point, with 7.5 games as a marker...t sadly have to say the answer is no.
Even if RRod somehow miraculously wins two more games, I am not convinced that his upside is as high as I believed. Tonight is the first time I have really questioned that. But right now, i need to see some glimmer of hope..and I only see darkness right now.
I think the upside is there offensively, but he needs a defense. Whether that is a recruiting or a DC issue, but he's not going to win without more talent. I think he can win in the B10, but not with this defense.
You & Mike Martin have been stalwart in his defense, but the rest are giving up 34+ points in every B10 game with barely any resistance.
I will be so mad if these last three years were for nothing. I like our chances next year with RR. I know it's frustrating, but another coaching staff means more rebuilding...
potential for a recruiting uptick outweigh the "rebuilding"? If we keep going 5-7/6-6 we will not be able to recruit anymore and become ND.
For this game we are missing our two best defensive players, Martin and Woolfolk. We have 200 frehmen starting on defense. I don't care what coach you put in, this defense is going to suck. Theres no argument against it. And don't even complain about the offense.
I don't really feel like switching back to a pro style offense and watching this team suck even longer.. At least our Defense is the youngest in the big ten and has room to improve, but the preparation for this game was pathetic..
The playcalling on the first drive said it all..
Once again give it to fucking vincent smith on third and 3 and he gets smashed by the first guy that touches him..
Meanwhile a "healthy" shaw and hopkins sit on the fucking sideline..
I agree, I don't want to go back to a pure pro-style offense--we'd miss out on a spark plug like Denard. I just want to see a guy that adapts his game plan to the defenses in his conference. RR just didn't learn from his repeated mistakes, which is surprising because he seems like a very bright football mind.
It is really fuckin pathetic we can't adapt to anything even with young players in our god damn defense.. Ive watched Vinopal miss about 5 or 6 tackles on Royster already when he could stop him for a short gain..
Then on that fucking floater touchdown Vinopal totally fucked that up too.. He had no reason to dive for the ball, all he had to do was run up and jump up and catch it..
This game is long over unless tate takes over, denard clearly cannot pass this game again
when smith was handed the ball on that third and 3..... Where's hopkins???
Two weeks to prepare and script the first few plays. aaaand you get 3rd and 3 and Iso with Smith?
I ripped Sparty up and down today. I deserve it back times a billion. The offense has been a major disappointment. I don't care how many yards, fun times and other assorted goodies RR 'gives'.
The Offense has not done its job. That alone is enough to send RR packing.
The biggest frustration is RR always says our guys are too young yet to implement a lot of different plays.. How fuckin old do they have to be to implement anything with trickery or something that isn't completely predictable.. It is truly sad
and out of the I formation too. Seriously, we are so much easier to defend when we do that. It takes away Denard completely as a run option. Didn't understand that call at all.
Total gift to Penn State. Again, you should play to your strengths and make the other team stop it.
On the plus side I don't recall them running out of the I for the rest of the game and were able to convert severl 3rd and shorts via DRob, Hopkins, and Smith out of the 'gun.
In another dialogue a few days ago that Jim Harbaugh actually was recruiting around the same 17 players as Michigan was recruiting. I believe he mentioned something about him coaching to the players and not specifically to a system as Rich Rodriguez has done with his time at Michigan. I really, really wanted Rich Rodriguez to succeed as I point to the WVU/Oklahoma game after we hired Rich Rodriguez...the problem is I have yet to see that style of coaching or innovation here at Michigan. We still hand the ball off to Vincent Smith on 3rd and 1 for him to fall down on an arm tackle. I want to see some Pat White execution, and regardless of Denard's experiece he is capable of more, but week after week we see the same failed plays in the same situations. Plus our defense get's worse by the week, I have not seen improvement in any one area which is the most alarming situation about the whole coaching staff. Again, I have supported Rich Rodriguez, he was dealt a tough hand, but this is ridiculous, Minnesota took it to PSU and we have 10 points!
This team will get clocked by ohio state so bad, it won't even be funny. I cannot believe what I am watching. I am not even mad anymore.... I have just become sad and apathetic. I used to love fall saturdays, now I loathe them. Is this hell?
I still think we keep RR for another year and fire Greg. RR did great things with the offense. he has made some questionable calls but at the same time he has the potential to have something great we just need our defensive plays to change
Great things with this offense? Points win games not yards.
We do score points.
We are pretty awesome in non-conference games or against teams named Indiana.
GERG has got to go. Even with another change in defensive scheme, it has GOT to be better than this.
big supporter of Coach Rod but hard to understand what is going on tonight.
Penn St. is really not very good, but we're making them look like champions.
Penn St. is really not very good, but we're making them look like champions.
Penn State is really not very good this year, but they actually are playing pretty well tonight. Our defense isn't playing well, but a lot of it has to do with the Penn State playcalling, which is quite good tonight. They are doing very few things offensively, but they are doing them well. I've seen quite a bit of Penn State this year and this is the best I've seen them play offensively. Despite the fact that their QB is a walkon, he is playing much better than Bolden has shown this year. They clearly went back to basics and are playing a very classic Penn State game, which is something they weren't doing with Bolden at QB.
Do you think that their improved play is a result of them or Michigan? I am sure most would say Michigan.
I'm confident that the UFR will bear out that a lot of it was Penn State. I defenitely understand what you are saying, though.
do you think we might do better going back to a more classic Michigan style?
Insofaras "classic Michigan style" means stability, yes. If you mean three yards and a cloud of dust, no. The defense will come with time and experience.
I feel like we say that a lot now...
This is premature. If we finish 7-5 Rodriguez will keep his job, or at least he'll deserve to. At this point (halftime), I'm not optimistic, though.
Right now, I only see Purdue as a seriously winnable game. For me, this game is the tipping point. Lousy D, special teams and lousing coaching. Now, the offense looks like last year. Enough is enough.
I don't disagree with you except for the last sentence. We should give Rodriguez the chance to prove our pessimism wrong.
I don't see that as "seriously winnable." I see that, and every other game this season, as eminently loseable.
I've felt all along that what was just as important as wins for RR this year was that the team finally becomes competitive in the conference, even if we still lose more than we win. If we improve over the course of the season,and keep the games close, that would be a sign that RR is turning the corner. There are still four more games to play, but I have to admit that if we continue to stink it up for the rest of the season, then I don't know what to think any more.
Does anyone really think Harbaugh would really leave Stanford right now? Don't get me wrong, I would love for Harbaugh to come. He's had good success since he's been a head coach starting with University of San Diego. But does he have the mentality that says that he want's to try to build this thing (Stanford) into a serious contender? Or would the MIchigan job be too important to pass up, if offered obviously.
I won't say UM is automatic for him, I bet he takes a lot of pride in having brought Stanford to where they are now, but by the same token he could be a legend if he coached his alma mater back to the top, so you never know.
I hate to seem petty but...
His stock is sky-high, but if Mich wants him, they'll have to get in line. A lot of teams are eager for his services, from pro programs to the NFL.
Good point--the NFL is definitely an option for a guy like him. In our favor, though, Michigan has shown they're willing to pay, and don't discount Brandon's desire to make a huge splash in hiring a new coach.
I don't know what to say. It is one thing to have a bad team play you tough, but we are getting destroyed by a bad team. I know that youth and injuries are playing a part, but we don't look like we have our heads in the game at all.
You should write your congressman about this atrocity because 90% of us don't wanna hear it.
I voted today, and one of the U-M Regents candidates was running on the "Fire RR" ticket!
now the real worry is the last game. if we go down there and get blown out, it's a sad day for Rich Rod (whom I genuinely like and think is a good guy) and more rebuilding with a different coach....
The one thing I find strange: why is everyone so sure Harbaugh would come? Ever lived in Palo Alto? It's pretty nice out there...
This staff has been in over their head since the beginning. No defense for three years and now no offense either. It's sad when you get outcoached by an 83-yr old who probably doesn't even know what's going on.
but let's not pretend that he's actually coaching this team.
With this line, this quarterback, this receiving corps, we have 10 points against a terrible, awful Penn State team.
It's not a lack of talent on offense. He's an offensive-minded coach.
I've been a huge, huge Rodriguez defender but I can't defend this. Win or lose isn't a huge deal to me tonight, but if we don't put up points.. like at least 30 points in this game, I think I'm done. It's gonna suck that we have to start over, but how is our offense going to get much better than this?
We have the best quarterback possible for this system. Very good O-Line and receivers. I don't understand. I love Rich Rod and thought he was the one that would make this team awesome, but if we don't win 7 games I'm more than happy with finding someone new. And at this point not even Purdue is looking like a lock.
gaining experience. You realize it is a true sophmore who is starting right? The offense will continue to improve. The question is can our defense do the same. I think the answer to that is yes, because there is even more inexperience there. I am just not sure if Gerg is the guy to do it anymore.
I have been a supporter of both RR and Gerg from the time each was hired. I continue to support RR inspite of what is transpiring now, as I think he can get it done. In Gerg's case, I thought the inexperience was the cause of the problems (and I know that is the main cause). But when you can't prepare a unit better than this after a bye week, I don't know what to think anymore.
I never expected our defense to be good this year, but I thought that a good coach would be able to get this unit to look good against an offense like penn state with a walk-on running the show. Seriously, we are lacking talent and experience, but is this the best we can reasonably expect from this group? I have to imagine that another DC could have them performing better......maybe I'm wrong though.
I guess in short, I just don't know what to think anymore. I hate pointing fingers and trying to find blame. I am just very very sad at the state of affairs with my favorite team in all of sport and hope they can find the answers.
I still have faith in RR. But I have absolutely no faith in GERG. Yes, we're young on D, but we're not getting better at all.
Gerg isn't responsible for 10 points against a garbage Penn State team in the first half. I agree with you for the most part, haven't completely lost faith yet, but it's not like our offense is absolutely dominant against the good B10 teams and our D is letting us down.
The offense has hardly had the ball. I don't think they're playing that badly. The D isn't getting them the ball.
As many times as Penn State...
Agreed, but our offense and special teams have been a major letdown the past two and a half weeks. You have to admit that. It's a whole-team implosion.
Enough said. Boom, bap, we are dead. Denard for Heisman still, I love the kid.
on Monday. How can you defend this team now. Mike Martin going down is unfortunate, but continuing this 3-3-5 crap is pointless! Put five lineman in there and force this kid to throw. Maybe an INT.
RR will certainly be taking a loss on his house when he moves. Didn't Bill Martin's bank finance that too? How's that working out?
After the game...
i thought coming on here would help but its not, I am out and I don't know where I am going.
I still think the game is far from over, but it will take some luck. PSU is not going to be perfect for the entire game, so keep it close and see what happens.
LAst year it was Brown and Minor both missing significant time. Now Shaw and Fitz can't get to the field. What the hell goes on in practice.
RR will have a tough time finding a new gig next year.
On the bright side, if PSU is as bad as we thought, we still have a chance.
I am reserving judgement until the game is over.....but I will say that I have an eerily similar feeling that I had last Halloween watching Minor Rage get stuffed 4 plays in a row at the goal line in Champagne and then Juice williams taking a 1-win Illini to a convincing win.
because its all so brutal. Its an ugly mess. Sorry.
Kills Halloween again?
I've heard through the rumor mill that this has already happened, Penn State game notwithstanding. Can anyone confirm?
from the beginning. When he has his 8mm kidney stone removed Monday, he's going to give me an earful.
Man this shit sucks!
Then no one will give a shit if we can play football. We can play intramural football in the Big House, not much different than what we have seen the past 3 years. Sorry, needed to vent. Been holding it in too damn long .
Is showing me the hair bows she made and it's actually a nice distraction for a change.
I bleed this team and fully support(ed?) the staff, but this is ridic. Show us something this half.
I am just numb to it at this point. I was never a fire RR guy, but this is bad. PSU is terrible and doing whatever they want with an inexperienced qb. The offense is second in the nation in yards, but needs to score more points against decent team. Sp teams are dreadful. I am not sure what to think at this point. I don't care how it happens, I just want it to stop. Someone make it stop!!!
I genuinely feel bad for RR in that, like many others have said, I really wanted him to succeed, not just because I wanted wins for us, but because he seems like a good guy. I think he gets fairly criticized for the results on the field--he's ultimately given us little to cheer about when it comes to victories. But he got a really raw deal from the media from the moment he was hired, and all that crap--leaving WVU, the buyout, the lawsuits, the practice hours bullshit--was unfair and just bad luck. He should be remembered for not producing wins, but not for all of that media-fabricated crap.
4 million dollars will assuage whatever 'bad' feelings he has.
Is that his contractual severance? The NCAA judgment gives cause to fire without severance, in my humble opinion?
They still can't tackle shit. It's like watching a bunch of kids try to pick up a greased watermelon.
Greased watermelon fight, AKA Michigan defense tackling drill
I have been a RR staunch supporter but to lay an egg like THAT in the first half is embarrassing. This team needs to play its hearts out in the second half.
The offense is fine, mistakes yes, but talented. Our head coach is an offensive minded coach and that is clear.
Where we need help is getting more talented defensive players and having some assemblance of a special teams group. With our defense weak, giving them great field position is a setup for touchdown after touchdown.
The last two years have been painful, even worse than the year we went to the Holiday Bowl and were beat by an undefeated BYU team.
Firing coach Rodriguez will not get us talented defensive or special teams' players. Let's see how the season pans out before calling for his head.
As the head coach, Rodriguez still bears responsibility for the defense. Either he's doing something to screw up the defense or he's done a terrible job when it comes to hiring defensive assistants. Either way, the defense is on him.
loss to a third string QB. this time to a walk on. I never thought it would end like this. but Rod has to be done now. This should have been an easy win.
Why is it Boise State consistently gets 3 star players and makes them work, we get 3 star players and get nothing out of them. It all leads back to coaching or in our case the lack thereof. I have supported RR, but I have reached the point where it wouldn't hurt my feelings to show him the door tomorrow.
To answer your question, because Boise's in the WAC.
I understand that, but they still beat who they play and they play disciplined defense. I think Mgnus said it best on here its not like they have just beat Oregon(2x) or Oklahoma or Oregon St or Va Tech they have beat them all. Lately we have only beat a pathetic Notre Dame team twice
Since 2008, Boise State is 33-1 (4-1 against Ranked Opponents). They have beaten four straight BCS opponents and are 6-1 against BCS opponents since 2006. They have won two BCS bowl games, going undefeated in both seasons. Boise State has fielded excellent football teams by any standards recently and it would be foolish to say that they haven't gotten a lot out of their talent.
Exactly they do it year after year with leftover/lookedover 3 stars
but even if he wasn't, the assumption that Harbaugh would just drop Stanford and come here at the first wink from Brandon is fanciful. Harbaugh has said on many occasions that Stanford is his dream job, and that Palo Alto was always the place he most wanted to be.
It's not a gimme that he would come, but every coach says that his present job is his "dream job." You kind of have to say that. I think he'd come back for a chance to "save" U-M football.
Brian explained this week it was all the 2007 recruiting class's fault...
Backup plan if Harbaugh signs with any other team: hire Jim Harbaugh Scramble
If Rich Rod cries during the press conference after this game he should be fired before he gets back to Ann Arbor. I have never seen a coaching staff look more like a deer in the headlights than this staff and do less to inspire the players on the sidelines.
I have supported RR since the beginning, and i still do. But i thought about harbough as our HC.... and i felt hope
Life without hope is not worth living.
This is Michigan and the 8th game of the year. Obviously this ain't the Big East!
I'd much prefer UM to run the table (or even run the table except for OSU, or even loose every game but beat OSU). But I don't think any of these will happen.
I expect this poor play to continue with aone or two easy wins. That isn't good enough IMO. If this happens, I would prefer a coaching change. I think a coaching change would be needed. You don't have three Big Ten seasons like this and continue at UM, no matter what your excuses are and no matter how good (inconsistent still) your offense is or might be. It just won't be good enough.
I don't worry about UM - we will be strong again fairly soon. If RR stays here long enough, he'll succeed eventually, but I don't think UM should wait that long.
Well put, and nice dedication watching from Korea (not that Korea)
This is just so bad.......
Dave Brandon meant when he said RR will be here for along time that he would be offered to come back and be our offensive coordinator again. Thats what this guy is.........an OC. But there will be a new guy delivering for Dave Brandon.
I want to tell you that you're wrong; that this is just a rough patch, and that Michigan will emerge from this stronger and better prepared to compete in the future.
I wish I could disagree with you. I really do.
at bowl eligibility. Purdue can't score on anyone. They will propbably score 35 on us. If there's anyone that wants to hang 50 on RR it's Danny Hope. At least Tressel will be a gentleman like he was last year and not run it up too bad.
We just scored, and Denard is still amazing
I do catch myself wondering if he's being used the right way. He is not a threat to defenses to go deep so why not put Forcier in the backfield with him? Essentialy we are playing him as a running back anyway. Just a thought
praised his vision as something "every great RB has". No accident they continually refer to him as a RB.
We just scored, now within 14 and plenty of time left.
If we come back and win this thing I'm gonna laugh my ass off at all you guys calling for RR's head on a platter, and it will make the win that much sweeter.
Please God, let it be.....
If we come back and win this game, that's excellent, but how do you still not criticize RR for yet another game where we dig a hole against an inferior team and MIGHT come back?
Good Luck with all that laughing.
...what are you going to do?
Cry into my martini.
But still keep some perspective and realize that the D is the problem here. Yes things need to be fixed but you don't tear down a house and start from scratch if you only need your kitchen remodeled.
Laugh and point fingers vs. hide and cry.
And I don't know that it's a kitchen, and not a whole new wing...but in any case, would you still use the architect who trashed the kitchen...?
Not hiding. I'll still be here.
And saying RR trashed the kitchen isn't exactly an accurate characterization of things. It wasn't exactly sparkling to begin with. Granted it hasn't improved under his watch. I think that criticism is valid but it doesn't warrant firing RR, if anything it warrants a change at DC.
...who are we going to get to hire a new one...?
The reason why I think RR isn't going anywhere is UM's offense is fine
The defense is frustratingly and excruciatingly bad, how much better would Mich be if they could play D?
They're not fine.
I think someone below said it better than I could have, they are inconsistent, and they show flashes of brilliance
Chicago-based Michigan fan here.
Bulls down by 20 to the Pistons at halftime (I know most of you are probably Pistons fans)
Blackhawks tied with the Wild
I turned a Michigan game off in disgust.
I've been a Michigan football fan since I was 9 years old in 1993. Remember Dreisbach to Hayes.
But I'm done.
Sports mean too much to me. And I get too little joy back.
Go Blue. Go Bears, Bulls, Cubs, Blackhawks.
But I'm done.
See ya on the other side.
Thought I could get a little joy by flipping to the Pistons....and they're not on tv here tonight....perfect.
I like Craig Roh, but he hasn't made a play since BG. In fact none of these guys have. There is no evidence that proves this offense works in the Big Ten and there is no evidence that this staff knows anything about defense.
Bo said it so many times. BLOCK AND TACKLE. We are doing neither very well. We haven't made a serious hit on someone since BG.
maybe if he was put in a position to make a play not dropping into a goddamn zone trying to cove a running back or tight end he would make some plays
McGloin is going to throw for -50 yards next week but he's looking like a scholarship QB right now
coming back. This one is over
Does that mean 4 more weeks of bad Michigan Football?
I just don't want being a U-M fan to feel this bad anymore
I wouldn't mind taking either of these guys at this point. I was not a supporter of RR coming to UM, however jumped on board to give him a chance. I just don't see the Defense evolving anymore. Tonight has to be the statement game that tells Brandon, Rich Rod is a great guy, good coach (for the Big East, Mac, etc...) but he just CAN'T win big games. 2007 Ranked #2 losing to PITT. He Beat an Oklahoma team that was comparable to the 2007 Michigan team.
Harbaugh- Getting him would not make us wait 4 years to get anywhere. I would venture to bet that if he came to Michigan, he would be NO WORSE than 6-6 in his first year. It's not like we don't have Talent. I like a lot of the pieces we have on Defense for 2011.
D-Line: Martin, Van Bergen, Ash, Talbott, Campbell?
LB's: Roh, Demens, Robinson, Furman
Secondary: Woolfolk, Floyd, Christian, Talbott,
Alot of them now being upper class men. The Offense would need adjustments. Robinson/Gardner/Forcier are more than adequate QBs. We're still okay at WR/TE. Definitely okay at RB with the new class.
Miles: He could probably handle the Transition better, plus has a National Championship ring. I feel his coaching abilities are not as bad as the LSU forums state. I like his defense, I'm pretty sure he runs a 3-4 which would be fine... Balance vs Power... I think it would be the best Variation for the athletes we have.
That's just my opinion on the topic. I would love to give Rich Rod a 4th year, but we're honestly going to make a bowl on a 6-6 Year... I would just fire Rod, respectfully decline a Bowl Game- if possible- and move this team in a different, more efficient direction.
Woah woah woah, Les Miles? Hold on there.
I'm with you--I didn't want Miles after Lloyd retired, and now I REALLY don't want Miles. He'd be comparable to RR calling a few fakes and trick plays every now and then. I just don't like him as a coach.
I have the feeling that this is it for Richrod. There are limits and I've reached mine.
I don't like that this is a reasonable topic, but the writing's on the wall, so might as well talk about it.
Strong will be less apt to overhaul the offense based on the fact that he's seen how devastating it can be at Florida.
His defensive credentials speak for themselves.
He has head coaching experience albeit only 1 year at Louisville. Looks like he's made a difference there.
2 wins against Indiana and a defnsive victory over Wisconsin in '08. Hardly proof it works. Over 500 yards against Iowa proves nothing. THEY STILL LOST!!
With any other defense I'd say we have hope. But we dont have any other defense....we have ours.
by whoever they play and yet our D is making him look like a Heisman contender
Greg Robinson goes or I stop donating my $450 in tickets a year to the athletic department (big threat, i know). He might be a great DC with the talent behind him, but this defense is UNACCEPTABLE (i don't even know if I'm sarcastic anymore). Even if underserved and irrational, there is no way we should field a defense this incompetent. /drunken emotional rant
Imagine if we played Oregon or Auburn. Sheesh!
this game sucks and its not close to what i/we were expecting.
But i still support the coach. Greatness does not come easily nor quickly.
We are having to start players that in the past would be 3rd stringers. That will change.
I choose to remain patient.
Clean up the language so this doesn't get locked. Pleeeeaaaaasssseeee.
Give me Harbaugh. UM can force RR out for cause on the violations. I'm sure BRandon will if not already has contacted him about "what if..."
They can say it's because of the violations, bu the fact is the length of his leash was decided by the number of wins he produced, and that just hasn't been something he's been good with. Add up all the losses to inferior teams, and the closer than they should have been wins, and cutting ties with him just makes sense. At WVU he was able to take the 3* and below talent he had and coach it up to do enough to win in the Big East, but I think he's found things are different in the Big 10. What's frustrating is that he hasn't shown any signs of adapting to the conference. If he had, things may have been very, very different.
Rich Rod is going to have NO answers. I feel bad for the guy. He abandoned his Alma Mater, obviously for Michigan- we obviously see how BIG Michigan is to the NATION. He just can NOT handle it. Has he ever really played a real Big Ten team with WVU and won? That'd be an interesting stat to look into before hiring him...
3rd and 14..................
Refs miss their first call of the night (both real penalties or defensive holdings on a tackle during a run play, aka fake penalties)
On a 3rd down play yet? I think they have run the same 3rd down and 4 play about 3 different times now and we can't make adjustments to stop it? That is this coaching staff in a nut shell I have yet to see any adjustments in any game which is helped us either compete or atleast be competitive in any game this year or last year against a legitimate team. I don' want to beat a dead horse here but these are all the reason's why all of us our questioning our Head Coach, and quite honestly I believe we are all voicing legitimate concerns to the shortcomings of this team not only this year but in all the 3 years which Rich Rod has headed the ship. I want to find a positive guys to tell me that Rich Rod is OUR guy and will be a MICHIGAN MAN but I just don't see it.....time to cut our loses before it get's even worse than it already is....
Lets give Chris Peterson a blank check and anything else that he wants to get him to come coach here
Good Lord a stop. Maybe Rich going all Mike Gundy for once worked. I liked the look in Gerg's eye's when Rich stepped right in front of him and started yelling.
than the bIg Tean when they hired RR. Obviously RR had more talent and more upperclassmen, expecially on defense, but there is no excuse for not being able to even stay close to a .500 team that has struggled all season. Especially when the QB is a fucking Walk-On. We had two weeks to prepare for PSU and it looks like we are shocked by what they are running. total BS.
Rich Rod- this might not be the right place to say this- but in this game, he has almost an entire quarter to come back. If he can get this game in UM's favor... and win Illinois (somehow) and Purdue (FINALLY!) and lose to Wisconsin and Blo-S-U... I wouldn't mind letting the guy have a 4th year. From what I've read in these message boards, we're focusing on a lot defensive backs/ defensive recruits this year... so maybe he does need another year?
I still want Harbaugh, I feel bad for Rich Rod with all the crap he's gone through... MINUS losing to Toledo.
The DC can't coach this defense.
Right, and how many DCs do we have to go through until we know who to point the finger at?
Why should we have to come back from that uninspired start that produced that gulf in the score in the first place? Nobody's calling for RR's head just because of this game, it's just the last straw for many, the ones who waited this long anyway. To others that are more patient, that's great. I did my best to give him time, but he's not winning in the Big 10, therefore he's done as far as I'm concerned--it's as simple as that. That's not sticking your tail between your legs, that's asking our team to stop repeating the same stupid mistakes.
It's his third year. How long are we going to keep blaming Carr for the defense?
THAT'S your motivation for wanting a win...
IT IS OUR DEFENSE THAT SUCKS!!
Any predictions on when the first "Fire Rich Rod" chant begins next week? And in what section it will start?
I will post a thread admitting my negativity and my loss of faith. I have no problem with that. I just don't think I will have to do it.
Hell, I'll do the same if we win another Big 10 game altogether. Right now I really don't see it. That won't change my call for a coaching change, but I'll admit I was wrong that we wouldn't win another game this year.
If Michigan keeps him next year sets up as do or die with a talent loaded offense and a bunch of returning starters. The defense returns a 2-deep with just about everyone from this year so lack of experience is no longer an argument. They won't be world beaters but they absolutely HAVE to show improvement.
If Michigan fires him we get a whole new staff so we start from square one. This honestly is not that unappealing. I don't think it could be worse than the past few years.
One more thing, I think that the young Mr. Gardner is a talented enough quarterback that if they do hire a new staff they could run a spread or a pro-style offense pretty effectively.
One thing I like about Rich Rod coming to Michigan is the recruiting he brought... he brought in a variety of kids like D. Robinson and V. Smith, Toussaint, Roundtree, and Hopkins (offensively).
I Swear if Michigan scores right here. I will do 31 pushups in 31 seconds.
Yeah...it's a 7 point game
Don't kick it out of bounds
Force a 3 and out
Get that ball back
(And I held the end of my bet, I got down and did my 31 in 27 seconds!)
Blue- go get ONE MORE SCORE. I'll do 76 (38x2) Push ups in a minute!
Just kidding. OK we scored and the defense got a stop, but the trend of having to come back from thre or four TDs down is getting old. This isn't the Pac-10.
It's Iowa all over again
Pull within 7 and then commit a bonehead ST penalty or flag to give PSU position near the 50
this has played out over and over again. Stupid undisciplined play and stupid penalties at the worst possible moments
I so wish our D was just a little better.
not like it matters, but the officiating has sucked.
It actually does matter.
That late hit call on the kick return was, as RR said, bullshit. And it absolutely made a difference.
I don't care how many yards we get or how many Denard gets, just win the goddamn game!
LLOYD BRADY MADE IT TO HAPPY VALLEY
Floyd's coming out, Avery in. Bet they pick on him right here
Front row face time again!
after we score
That much from being 5-3 and the hurricane of calls for RR's head
Down by 10... not going to be easy. It is doable and I do have [a little] faith in Rich Rod to score 10... but can we stop them and get the Ball back to get AT LEAST 3 to tie or will they score for us to get the ball back down by 10 again?
Dear Rich Rodriguez,
Your tenure at THE University of Michigan is OVER.
This offense can't score when it needs to in the Big Ten. Yeah I know the defense is young and inexperienced Rabble rabble rabble, there is no excuses eight games in. Play the game
that is all
Another game performing below expectations, another loss to a Big 10 team we should have beat. Oh well, thanks to everybody who hung out during the game to vent, see you all next week.
What about we try to get Brady Hoke of SDSU or Utah's coach whatever his name is.
We have a decent defense and were easily 7-1 right now. ITS THE DEFENSE for christs sake.
All I wanted was for the defense to show some improvement. Now all I can hope for is that this giant leap into the abyss won't turn recruits away.
We just got beat on a fake field goal, really? This is the WORST coaching staff ever at the University of Michigan! Sorry if Rich Rodriguez is not gone, I'm giving up my season tickets....done! I thought MSU was embarassed today, this is twice as bad!
you have to move down the road to that position coaching job where you will be long forgotten. But, occasionally, someone will remember your name and not quite remember why it seems vaguely familiary.
people are running the wrong way
Looking at the potential offense we have next year, and with the clean slate on D all we need is competence. We dont have impact seniors anywhere on this team.
Will next year be the end of days for RR? Absolutely. But no sense getting a new coach now, all that does is lose us recruits, possibly have 5-10 transfers (which depth wise we literally cannot afford) and then what. We bitch and moan about 2 sub .500 seasons in a row... and were right back where we started with a new name on the door to the office.
I understand, we played like shit. For the first 2 quarters.
But remeber, this is still a freshman defense more or less, with new guys starting. on the road. at night. in happy valley.
Relax. Breathe. New week we can count on having a new day to make us smile.
I don't know man. Penn State is not very good at all. Illinois embarrassed them at home, and Bolden played in that game. If there was ever a confidence-building opportunity for our defense, this was it. It looks like our defense is just plain bad, and will play poorly no matter who they go up against.
Another 5-7 season is not out of the question. Illinois is better than we thought they were. Purdue is bad, but we thought that about Penn State too. Any small chance we had against Wisconsin or Ohio State has evaporated.
The teams we've beat are pretty bad; UConn is 4-4, Notre Dame lost at home to Tulsa, UMass isn't even a good FCS team, BGSU is BGSU, and Indiana is 0-4 in conference play. The '09 script is playing out again, scene for scene. I'm trying to find a silver lining here, but I just can't.
1. Spread and shred is gonna kill it with U-M talent! I believe!
2. He just needs to get his players. Then it's gonna be on!
3. The cupboard was bare.
4. Fire GERG/Shafer
5. RR is our coach--you should always support your coach!
6. I want to see us win, but would it be that bad to lose if it led to a regime change? (How'd Stanford do this week?).
7. Alright, if we lose this game, I'm done
8. Fire RR.
but he is right, we need better players on the defensive side of the ball..... and in year 3 some of that blame is on the head coach.
Se ya. You got your ass kicked by a shitty PSU team w/ a backup walk on QB. Your D sucks worse than a div.8 shitty high school team. Enough of the bullshit "its a matter of time" bullshit from this site. This team sucks balls!. Illi (loss) Purdue (who fuckin cares) tOSU ( ass kickinn) Wisc ( fuckin ugly). 6-6 WOW! we get to play in the dick bag bowl. Get this over with fire Rich ( the firrst time I ever said this) and hire JimBO. Neg the fuck out of me I dont fucking care! The Rich Rod erea is over
I'm not a White Sox fan but I do find Hawk Harrelson amusing especially when a Sox pitcher strikes someone out and he says "He gone." That seems appropriate here.
Just got home from the game. All the PSU fans around me were just hoping to keep it close and that it would be a good game. One even said, "I hope you guys take it easy on us".
Yeah we did. We gave up 41 points to a walk on sophomore and a patched up team full of injuries after we had a bye week to prepare.
I'll watch the video tomorrow, but what I noticed tonight was that the coaches aren't even giving the kids a chance to make a play. 3rd and 3, my son tugs on my arm and says, "Why are they playing 12 yards off the receivers?" If a 13yo can see it I'm sure the coaches saw it.
Sweep, screen, sweep, screen. We saw the old Michigan offense tear up the present defense tonight. Roh was completely lost in space at LB. 3-3-5 sucks!
Nope, I fell off the RR bus tonight. He's a great Offensive Coordinator, but he's in waaay over his head as a HC in a major conference. It's over and we'll count the past 3 as well as the next 2 as rebuilding years.
can you imagine if we had an FBS-average defense? our defense is ranked around 107 out of 120 teams, right? imagine if we fielded just an average defense ranked around 50th or 60th. with our #4 ranked offense and the leading rusher in the nation as our quarterback.
someday our D will be average again... its just a matter of time (and the right personnel on that side of the ball). around that time our offense will be full of upperclassmen. can you imagine? DB and RR are building something, just wait and see...
HOW ABOUT BYE BYE GERG?
If I was CNN I would say this one is too close to call. Post this thread again in two weeks.