October 28th, 2021 at 6:20 PM ^
It seems hard to draw conclusions based on this alone. What should a typical P5 QB downfield completion rate be? 20 yrd throws?
Much of Cade's chart doesn't even have enough volume to have %'s. I think we know his traditional stats aren't great, I wish BillC color coded it based on normalized results.
October 28th, 2021 at 6:51 PM ^
Agreed.
Would be at least a little more useful if he included the actual fraction, ie 6/12
October 28th, 2021 at 9:56 PM ^
More informative, yes. But not more useful when the goal is to generate angry retweets and references in QB controversy arguments throughout the interwebs.
October 28th, 2021 at 10:38 PM ^
We're 7-0 and covered the spread in the last game! CHANGE THE QUARTERBACK!!
October 29th, 2021 at 2:28 AM ^
The "content" model has always been about:
"clicks"
Not, rigorous, well-thought, well-reasoned, well-presented information---that makes no money.
Hence why the news (and everything else) plays on your basest instincts: fear, anger, vindication.
Combine that with gamified animal-potent intermittent-reinforcement, it spells game over.
It's "genetic" to the medium itself (fundamental to the medium of computers/phones--same thing really), go outside and nothing's on fire, talk to people and they are all friendly and happy, but go online and the world is ending tomorrow!
October 28th, 2021 at 11:58 PM ^
Percentiles > Percentages
October 28th, 2021 at 6:20 PM ^
Oof but at least right side screen game is on point.
but it’s a little tough to understand without context. What are some other QBs charts?
October 28th, 2021 at 6:20 PM ^
Also worth comparing to Payton Thorne's, which is eerily similar:
October 28th, 2021 at 6:34 PM ^
I would argue the comparison shouldn't be to Payton Thorne. We should expect at least a QB on the level of Brennan Armstrong (charted in the Twitter thread, probably 15-20th best QB in CFB), and Cade falls way short of that mark.
While others are pointing out a limited sample size for Cade, there seems to be a complete disregard for the fact that most teams stack the box and Cade is getting very favorable matchups with receivers relatively open.
October 28th, 2021 at 6:48 PM ^
Don't really agree with anything you just said. Brennan has one nice sweet spot but otherwise the charts look not too different and Cade has better deep ball success. That 20 yard sweet spot could be as much a function of the offense and a favorite target as it is of him.
And I definitely don't agree Cade is getting favorable match ups with open receivers. He's gets open receivers within 10 yards and converts at a very high clip. All is the only guy who consistently gets open past 10 yards and WR2 is a huge hole for us.
October 28th, 2021 at 11:37 PM ^
I'm trying to see how they're similar, let alone eerily similar.
Do you know how to read these?
October 28th, 2021 at 6:21 PM ^
why is the color for 50% the same as 0%
October 28th, 2021 at 6:41 PM ^
Don’t know for sure, but my presumption is it would be relative to some average for that zone. So 50% for short passes over the middle isn’t very good if on average they are completed 75% of the time by other passers.
October 28th, 2021 at 6:25 PM ^
WHERE IS JJ MCCARTHYS
October 28th, 2021 at 6:55 PM ^
I lol'd at this.
October 29th, 2021 at 2:35 AM ^
This is shart worthy! Bravo.
October 29th, 2021 at 2:42 AM ^
It's time to just say it. Cade McNamara is the best thing to happen to Michigan football since.... wait for it..... the last time we were 7-0
October 29th, 2021 at 7:23 AM ^
Around here those should be 1956734%. 100% is just too low. If JJ was actually good enough he would be starting, he isn’t yet good enough so he’s a backup.
October 28th, 2021 at 6:25 PM ^
Terrible color gradient scheme is my biggest takeaway.
October 28th, 2021 at 7:44 PM ^
This chart is a masterclass in terrible data visualization.
October 28th, 2021 at 11:14 PM ^
Yeah, the 1960s called and they want both their slide and slide projector back.
October 28th, 2021 at 8:03 PM ^
That's a bad looking chart. Color scheme is terrible
October 28th, 2021 at 6:43 PM ^
Good enough for 7-0 and hopefully 8-0 after Saturday.
Go Blue!
October 28th, 2021 at 9:16 PM ^
Which team???
October 29th, 2021 at 2:32 AM ^
Illinois
October 28th, 2021 at 6:45 PM ^
Cade had a 51 yard completion to sanistril and where is the flea flicker?
October 28th, 2021 at 7:17 PM ^
Those throws hit receivers but they must have missed the bins
October 28th, 2021 at 9:22 PM ^
I snorted. Not sure why that got me. Well done.
October 28th, 2021 at 7:57 PM ^
Well, I'm pretty sure that the flea-flicker was technically only 34 yds., if you are counting official yards gained, since it was into the back of the end zone, so it could be on the chart...
... or Haskins got credited with the pass, and Cade simply tipped it 45 yards for the TD.
October 29th, 2021 at 7:52 AM ^
The Sainristil catch got put into the top right instead of top middle. It was basically on the hash.
October 28th, 2021 at 7:05 PM ^
His chart is very similar to Thorne and everyone is talking up Thorne who also has a tremendous receiving corps. Bell would make a huge difference.
I think klatt last week pointed out the biggest issue for Cade is he’s throwing a “ pretty “ pass that looks like it’s in a good place but it is giving the defender a chance at the ball. Cade needs to throw the ball to the open space where the receiver has the better if not only chance to cash it.
October 28th, 2021 at 9:17 PM ^
Man, how good would this team be with Bell ... and Worthy...
October 28th, 2021 at 7:16 PM ^
I don't see this as a yikes at all. He's being asked to throw a lot of short passes, and he is completing a lot of short passes. I would like to see a comparison of this chart with Brian Griese in 1997.
October 28th, 2021 at 7:44 PM ^
The 0% at the top are the three bombs last week.
October 28th, 2021 at 8:05 PM ^
October 29th, 2021 at 2:15 AM ^
Sure it did. And do you know how many passes of over 40 yards Griese had prior to the Rose Bowl?
Three. And one of those was to a running back. Yes he hit 2 to Streets in that game, probably because Michigan was able to catch Washington State packing the box and hit them with play action.
Cade has 5 passes of over 40 yards this season, which already equals Griese's total for the entire 1997 campaign.
October 29th, 2021 at 10:09 PM ^
Yep, and Griese got to throw to Streets and Woodson (on occasion)
October 28th, 2021 at 8:29 PM ^
He's being asked to throw a lot of short passes,
Remember the legend of speed in space? They thought they was gonna get in Michigan. I heard tell back in 19 LSU had it. And that ole Alabama back in 20.
October 28th, 2021 at 8:55 PM ^
That 2019 LSU team is arguably the greatest offensive machine in the history of college football. I don't think that's a fair comparison for any team.
October 28th, 2021 at 9:13 PM ^
So what team should Josh Gattis' speed in space be compared to? Wisconsin?
October 29th, 2021 at 2:19 AM ^
Jesus Christ dude--2019 LSU had Joe Burrow, who was the #1 overall pick in the 2020 NFL draft and in just his second NFL season is sitting at number 5 in QB Rating ahead of Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen.
No one can expect to get QB play like that.
October 29th, 2021 at 7:16 PM ^
Ezekiel gone wild.
October 28th, 2021 at 9:37 PM ^
Yeah idk how anyone could see this as a yikes or a good thing. There’s little context and missing information. What’s the threshold for a color change? Why do some boxes have percentages? Boxes are different sizes? Etc.
October 29th, 2021 at 11:47 AM ^
" I would like to see a comparison of this chart with Brian Griese in 1997."
Why? The game is totally different.
Griese was #22 in the country with a 138 QB rating.
That will now qualify you for about #60.
Griese was #50 in the country with 2042 yards.
That will put you around #80 now.
October 28th, 2021 at 7:29 PM ^
Solution here is obvious. Instead of bins, Cade needs to use canisters, crates or boxes.
October 28th, 2021 at 8:14 PM ^
Milk crate challenge for quarterbacks.
October 28th, 2021 at 7:45 PM ^
Where’s Johnson's double move TD down the right side?
October 28th, 2021 at 8:00 PM ^
I think we will see the deep threat opened up on Saturday. My only concern is can Cade hit the targets?
October 28th, 2021 at 8:02 PM ^
Confirms the nickname laid on him by the guys at The Solid Verbal:
Cade SnackNamara. He's all about the little bites.