Just look at Martin and Roh they are good examples of the Barwis affect.
In the Craig Roh presser this week, someone asked him if the D was tired, and was that why they didn't play well, particularly in the 4th. Craig Roh responded essentially with "No, thanks to our Conditiong Coach Barwis, we do not get tired."
EDIT: I think this was the video...
Just look at the mass Barwis has added to Roh's eyebrows, in high school Roh had to pencil them in. Some questioned whether Roh had the frame to maintain his quickness with a gigantic pair of eyebrows, but under Barwis he has gotten even faster while growing all-America Eyebrows.
It has to be the secret to his hair.
to 1:33 for his comment on not being tired.
How many tackles will his Eye brows account for Saturday?
How many tackles will his Eye brows account for Saturday?
I, on the other hand, am impacted by the Annoying Topic Effect which is what happens when we're three and zero and everyone is pretty unhappy about the strength and conditioning etc.
Martin and Roh. Just look at them.
As for everyone else, it is mostly just inexperience and depth.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a dick but this is a dumb thread and really dumb question(s).
Edit: Damn I was slightly beaten by Adrian, maybe I should type faster.
Barwis has a workout to enhance typing speed.
Man I better contact him about this training asap. Thanks for the information. +1
+1 so you can be closer to having 1337 points.
Are you saying that he moonlights as Mavis Beacon?
Here's the problem - how can you know Barwis is to blame? We've had numerous defensive coordinators, numerous departures and injuries - and we were parlously thin prior to all of this stuff.
We knew the defense was going to be a liability this year - and no one though S&C was part of the problem.
I really can't look at Mike Martin and fault S&C. He's a raging hellbeast - and the UFR backs it up.
Big Ten play will tell the story about whether GERG should rent or buy in A2.
Grab your hard hat for this one!
I was just about to say that. People around here don't like it when you question Mike Barwis.
The Barwis effect, however, is obvious.
I have affection for your post. The effect is me writing about it. Thank you.
I saw the title of this post and assumed it was a discussion of Barwis's emotions. I was sad when I saw that it was not.
I, too, was affected by this. I hoped to effect change in the team by affecting Barwis's affect, but then I realized that he couldn't possibly be more effective.
Woah, mind asplode. I thought there was no way that was an actual link. Your link effected learning.
When you affect a football team, you have an effect.
Normally not a grammar nazi, but come on...fix it....
No, you see, it's like "HULK SMASH!!!" Hulk smash, Barwis affect. See? The interrogatory form is used because Barwis is asking if he should affect.
This is the best explanation I've seen so far. You've convinced me.
You're all over the place there.
Remember that Barwis doesn't acquire the raw materials.
You think we need a little more mass? Do you think our coaching staff is unfamiliar with momentum (M * V)? Really?
"Are they not smart enough to know what to do?" What does Barwis have to do with that?
"Do we not have enough depth?" Ditto.
"Is it just youth?" Ditto.
"I just think he is overrated..." Based on... what?
"Again, this is more about our D." So... you think he's doing OK with the offense? Does that make *any* sense?
Finally, do you have any controls here? Can you clearly see what Mike G. would have done with David Moosman in the alternative universe? If not, you should probably be nice to Barwis.
Barwis affects some big changes around the program. Has been doing so since his arrival.
I'm afraid, however, that what you're asking about is the effects he's affecting.
or maybe an S&C coach isn't the magic wand some people want to believe he is.
You wouldn't know that from the way people used to criticize Gittleson.
I agree that S&C coach isn't a magic wand to cure all ills. Another thing to consider is that if we're trying to compete against the best of the best in college football, wouldn't you think they have pretty good S&C guys themselves? Barwis isn't operating in a vacuum, he's competing against a lot of other guys who I'm sure are very good at their jobs too. If he's keeping up and these young guys are hanging in there, he's succeeding. Wanting him to be an all holy savior and massive difference maker in the program like some people seem to assume just isn't realistic given the environment of who we're competing against.
Another thing to consider is that if we're trying to compete against the best of the best in college football, wouldn't you think they have pretty good S&C guys themselves?
Naaaaahhhhh....I thought all of OSU's players were doughboys!
(sarcasm not directed at you, just the many who want Barwis to produce winged death angels out of 2-stars)
It's too bad we cant delete threads about Michigan.
Otherwise, I'll let Brock Mealor tell you if this Barwis cat is legit or not.
Thanks for the perspective +1,000,000
Team speed? Better.
Team strength? Better
Brandon Graham? Drafted in the first round.
Mike Martin? SMASH.
David Molk? Benches 490 pounds.
Brock Mealer? Well...
But, take them all with a grain of salt. I do think MM and Molks numbers are believable. The squat numbers are far more impressive and important than the bench numbers. Beasts!
I'll post this here since Barwis is the topic. Does anyone know what a Barwis workout is like? What do they do, how long does it take and how long are the breaks in between exercises?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but he focuses on olympic style (free weights) lifting, agility, core strength and diet (which is huge). He works on speed training (obvs). Nothing he does is revolutionary, but he is very intense and I think he has done a decent job. Injury rates don't seem to have gone up and the linemen tend to be more fluid and pass the eye test of being "in -shape." I mean they don't look all Boren out there or anything. I think a great indicator of success is if the alumns in the NFL come back to be trained by him (which many have). I mean those guys are looking to add skill and fotball is their job now, so it would seem he adds some value.
+1. I was looking for more of what a typical workout would be. Such as: Bench Press followed by.....You said that it's nothing revolutionary but compared to what we had before it is just that.
How the program is perioidized, but I would assume they have meso-cycles that focus on different goals for each cycle. Be it mass, flexibility, speed work (rate of force development), maximum strength, etc. The core of any good program are compound movements, as you alluded to. Olympic movements are used, however, they aren't the be and end all of strength development. Most of the athlete's pure powerbase will be built with sqautting. Oly movements are geared more toward intramusclar coordination and RFD.
I think the pro testimonials also support his methods and effectiveness.
I remember reading about when he was hired blew my mind. Barwis said that he had offensive linemen play catch (with two hand over the head throws) with a medicine ball....while standing on a medicine ball! He said some guys couldn't do it at first but by the time they were seniors, all the WVU linemen could do it. What a core beatdown that exercise would be. I know he places a much heavier emphasis on clean and jerk type lifts to increase explosiveness rather than the good ol bench & squat.
Wow, that medicine ball drill is crazy. I can't even begin to think of how to stay atop the ball while throwing, much less catching.
Skwatzz are the king!
Puke (break inbetween intense pain)
Puke (break inbetween intense pain)
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You get the idea
One of the things I keep hearing over and over again from the players is that Mike Barwis has helped them tremendously with their conditioning. In fact, I think it was Roh or Martin who just said in this week's post-game presser that because of Barwis, the defense just doesn't get tired down as easily (I'm too lazy to double-check, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong). So, I would say Barwis has done an excellent job of getting our guys ready to play at an elite level.
Furthermore, one thing that someone else brought up in a previous thread about Barwis is that the workouts and the exercises that he has the guys doing should help in recovering from injuries. The fact that Vincent Smith is back to 100% less than a year after tearing his ACL is incredible.
And where would you like to see more mass? Martin is proving that he is a beast in the middle, despite being smaller than your typical NT. Mouton and Ezeh seem about average sized for LBs, and Van Bergen is not small. I could see why you would want to see Roh bulk up some more, but he added a lot of mass in this last offseason, and he's just a true sophomore; not to mention he's proven to be an effective player at his current size.
Edit: willywill has the video from Roh's press comments.
Here's one angle you haven't considered. Against UMass, the defense was on the field for huge periods of time. Through all that, RR never made a substitution in the secondary. The backfield was in shape to take every snap. Skill can be debated, but that is quality conditioning.
Every time you used the word "affect" I felt like I was being poked in the eye....
Yikes... that'll certainly effect you.
spelling is what bothers you the most?
Some spelling errors are more egregious than others. This one bugs me "alot." *shudder that I just typed that out*
Our defense is still pretty young and probably haven't experienced the full Barwis effect. Also it takes two for the system to work so it relies heavily on the athlete completing full workouts, especially over summer. Like people have said, Martin and Roh are pretty sound examples imo
follow the UM football team? Seriously. Everything that I've heard is that Barwis has been doing a great job and has been getting quite a bit of praise. Not to mention the huge mass gains that have been made in terms of playing weight if you had bothered to look at the roster year to year.
You know the most important thing I got out of your thread? Is it the Barwis affect or Barwis Effect?
I actually had to look it up. It is affect. I love all the responses. Im not saying he is doing a bad job, it's just that everyone seems to think he can take any player and turn him into a beast. I know Martin and Roh are good examples. Martin was already a beast and was going to become more of one because of his work ethic. Will Campbell on the other hand cant get in the rotation? I don't how they let him get out of shape.
Again, I know he does alot of good. We need to measure up with teams like OSU, and that goes back to RR getting recruting guys that can play defense (and tackle, and be in the right position to make the tackle). I would have thought by year 3 we would physcially dominate some of our opponents. Especially in our first 3 games this year. If you are happy with what we have right now today as far as a team and a defense, I think your going to be disappointed.
Call me stupid (please don't really call me stupid) but I'm not sure what your last sentence means . . . are you insinuating that the team and defense is going to regress and get worse? Or are we going to be disappointed because the team will lose some games? Or are you implying that the team is not as good as they appeared in the past three games (with the exception of the defense in UMass game)?
Im just saying we are not where we need to be on a national level yet, as of today.
I actually had to look it up. It is affect.
Affect as a noun is more a psychological thing - a feeling, an emotion. It's an abstract term. Effect as a noun is a result - sometimes tangible, sometimes not.
Poor, off the top of my head example follows: better example follows:
MGoBloggers that believe the Barwis Effect is the real deal show normal affects.
So does did we have a good effect on sportsnation when they were on campus?
We does did.
it's pretty clear that the offense, developmentally, is a year ahead of the defense, and that includes in the weight room. I don't really understand how you could question whether or not Barwis is doing a good job when the offensive line is now 2 deep with Big Ten size linemen- without guts! The defense just doesn't have that kind of depth, and I think part of that is that they were focused on recruiting spread personnel the first two years and didn't really turn the focus to defensive recruits until last year. Give it another year when the Marvin Robinsons and Carvin Johnsons of the team start to blossom. There is no question the defense is somewhat disappointing (depending on your expectations going in), but they have improved and I would certainly lay none of the blame at the feet of Mike Barwis.
you're, not your.
So, OP, let me get this straight. You "looked it up" and it is still "Barwis affect?" It is semi-excusable to use affect as a noun once, but to "look it up" and still believe that the incorrect usage is the correct one is either criminal ignorance or a very clever and subtle job of trolling. Either way, the post is terrible even without the incorrect usage.
Anyway, since usage apparently isn't your forte, lets try a couple of equations:
Affect = verb
Effect = noun
Affect can be used as as noun in psychology to denote em0tion or feeling.
Barwis seems like a pretty happy guy to me, very enthusiastic. And I bet he would have a significant effect on my affect, too.
And I'm being nice
defense and that there is a lot of room for growth. The 3-3-5 replaces a lineman with a hybred, so there is less mass by design.
The issues on defense, well documented here and at other sites (except Ritinberg), are more related to a young secondary that has to play it safe and poor decision making by the LBs. Martin is HULKSMASH and the others are servicible. Again, by design, the DL occupies the OL and the LBs are the cleanup crew.
Oh, and your bit about Barwis being investigated really makes me wonder where your head is at.
I am not sure whether you have watched the first three games of the season, but if you can't see the results of Barwis, than you should ask Stevie Wonder for some vision pointers.
Look at the ND game - our offense and defense were playing with the same speed in Q4 as they did in Q1.
Look at the UMass game - while the score was close, UMass wore down over the second half and our team looked fresh throughout.
Martin - he has turned into the Hulk. I expect that at some point this season, he will turn green. I attribute this to Barwis.
Roh - he added 15 pounds of good weight and actually appears faster.
Mouton - yes, he is not so good at the whole learning how to play football thing. This is either a Mouton issue or a coaching issue - but look at his physical play. The man can hit hard and get there with speed.
As for the rest of the defense, we have so many true freshman playing that there has been no time for Barwis to take an effect.
To me, if we manage to out-hustle teams in the 4th quarter, this will be the difference between a win and a loss in at least 1 or 2 games this season. Given our defense, it is likely that many of our games will be shootouts that will be won / lost in the last few minutes. Think back over the past 5-6 years to the number of games that we LOST during the last few minutes when our defense looked exhausted and was sucking wind. Barwis' training seems to have eliminated that problem.
Am I the only one out here that was hoping with Barwis and this being year 3 that would be more physically dominant on defense? It may happen down the line, but it hasn't happened yet.
Barwis has many people endorsing his methods of course -but those of us in the NYC metro area surely cringe at Jeff Wilpon as an endorser.
It would seem to me the problem with the Mets is they haven't used his methods enough.....
This thread is (marginally) better than the "Is Barwis to blame for Tloy Woolfork's ankle/Mike Jones' broken leg/Vincent Smith's ACL? I thought he prevented injuries, but it seems like he's causing them. Too much chocolate milk?" thread that appears every few weeks.
While I strongly disagree with a couple of the OP's inferences, I think he's in part responding to the over-the-top hype that many here have indulged in about what getting "Barwisized" can achieve on the field. Mike Barwis can get Obi and Jonas into the best shape they'll ever be, but he can't cure them of taking bad angles, of losing contain, or misreading a play. He can't turn Jordan Kovacs into a 4.4 guy. He can't turn a pure freshman who's still learning how to play safety or cornerback into Charles Woodson. Unfortunately, he can't get into the mind of J.T. Turner to persuade him to stick it out and work hard enough to earn a spot as a starter.
That's all I'm really saying. I like Mike Barwis and I'm not blaming him for attrition or for injuries.
real evidence you want to see?
Otherwise STFU and GBTW
40 time now v. upon arrival
standing broad jump now v. upon arrival
shuttle time now v. upon arrival
standing vert now v. upon arrival
clean and jerk now v. upon arrival
These measure the fast twitch, explosive athleticism that Barwis seems to emphasize. Once we find these numbers, let's compare them to the comparables at other D 1 schools.
I believe that Barwis does a great job with the guys; especially at this level, it can be as much about buying in to doing the work as anything else. I also agree with his emphasis on movements other than standard bench and squat, which don't necessarily mean anything on a football field.
HOWEVA, I have seen other good strength coaches in action, and have witnessed some pretty impressive gains. I don't generally join in the Barwis homage; this isn't because he isn't good - I think he's quite proficient at what he does. Brock Mealer 's entrance into the Big House is a great piece of anecdotal evidence showing what he can do. I just remain unconvinced that he's head and shoulders above what other schools have.
I want to see a defense that is tough and can tackle. That's all.
I want middle linebackers that make proper reads too, but that isn't on the S&C staff. The defensive problems are simple, everyone behind the defensive line just isn't very good. Add to it the inexperience and shocking lack of depth in the secondary, and you have a crappy defense. I'm actually impressed that they can still stand at the end of games considering there are exactly zero subs.
at our Offensive line, and remember the ragtag bunch they were in 08', and I say 'yes please' to Barwis.
This is STILL an incredibly young football team.
The o-line is older and has a ton more experience than they did in '08. Did Barwis help get those guys in shape? Sure. But I'd say coaching, experience, and seasoning has as much if not more of an effect. I think the o-line correlation is weak.
I doubt this can be researched authoritatively (please someone try) for good reason. I remember last year ... after Cox (?) made a run in a game ... Barwis ran up to him on the sidelines and gave him a very excited speech. I don't recall too many other S&C guys with his visibility. He brings something to the program.
There's not any 400 lb lineman out there. There are limits to excellence. Barwis pursues it with a passion that is rare. What more can you ask of a S&C coach.
I like Alabama's S&C coach as well.
As it turns out, Michigan actually did have a strength coach before Barwis came, and I think maybe one or two other colleges have strength coaches as well, so that has probably diluted any 'Barwis effect.' Since we don't look like slow blobs, I'd say the Barwis effect is in action.
Go back and look at Junior Hemingway in the Capitol One bowl and take a look at him know. Or compare him and Ricardo Miller during our bowl game this year.
Correct english would have been "Barwis Affects [object]?"
Barwis affects opposing offenses by turning the Michigan Defense into monsters using the Barwis Effect.
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How about this quote that Mgouser BigTex gave us from a guy who is a national scout for the San Diego Chargers:
He asked if I knew much about Mike Barwis (to which I responded he is the only person capable of beating Chuck Norris in a fight)...he said Barwis has done amazing things for this program, and Barwis' abilities/expertise is legendary even among the professional ranks.
Link to thread: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/interesting-discussion-pro-scout
BG was a 5 star
Good stuff. Thanks for all of the feedback on this Thursday of the BGSU week. Don't be so sensitive.
Its not like our S&C coach was terrible before either. So the jump from good to great isn't going to be as noticeable as say, nothing to great. Barwis is a good S&C coach and has helped the team tremendously, but thats not the only thing that wins football games.
People always say this about Barwis, as if showing guys how to work out and train effectively also provides them with greater skill and ability as football players. BG and Mike Martin have gained under Barwis because they already had the skill and he simply helped to push their bodies to another level (though it's not like the previous S&C coach was a joke). Guys like Ezeh are probably good people, but no amount of lifting will make him read a play correctly and not get smushed by linemen he should be running around. Barwis is good for the program, but he's not a miracle worker.
Barwis is the 2010 Bill Brasky
...is that we've seen a record number of transfers since the new staff came in. Guys are not willing to come in and bust their tails in the weight room like they were training for a Mr. Universe competition if they can't even crack the 2-deep. Better to go somewhere else where actual football is emphasized over conditioning if you're gonna ride the pine for 4 years. Of course, the guys who actually play are going to put up with it because it's M football. Go Blue!