B1G Season Not Yet Cancelled?
Nicole Auerbach & Wolverine Wire are reporting that no vote has taken place yet. I’m not going to get my hopes up though.
I’m so confused. Conflicting reports everywhere. Personally, I’m not sure why this decision has to be made now when they can push back the season a bit and buy themselves some more time. Also, it makes no sense from a risk standpoint that you could bring students back to campus and assume that risk but playing football on campus is too big of a risk. Thats like being worried about your windows being broke out during an earthquake. If you can have students and classes on campus you should be able to play. If you decide no students on campus then cancel the season. Seems pretty straightforward in that regard.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^
The first step is accepting it
August 10th, 2020 at 2:13 PM ^
Except I don’t want to accept it!
Cider Mill Saturday should only be ONE weekend every autumn!!!
August 10th, 2020 at 2:20 PM ^
Hate to say it... but those will probably be closed too. If open.. they're not going to be same either way.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:22 PM ^
ESPN reporting the same thing:
Sources told ESPN that a vast majority of Big Ten presidents have indicated that they would vote to postpone football season, hopefully to the spring. A Big Ten official confirmed to ESPN that no official vote took place during Saturday's meeting.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^
There's no vaccine. It's a bad move to bring all the students back.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:03 PM ^
Talking about a vaccine is silly at this point. First, we don’t know how effective it will be. Second, there has been multiple polls saying that over 1/3 of Americans won’t take the vaccine (I’m even skeptical of something getting through this fast and would probably wait).
We need to take reasonable steps at this point to get back to “normal life”, and part of that is wearing masks, but also understanding that this virus isn’t near as dangerous as we once thought.
Yes, both those statements can be true and said by the same person. It is possible.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
I think we should be more hopeful for therapeutics to help manage this. A vaccine or bust mentality isn’t feasible honestly
August 10th, 2020 at 2:14 PM ^
understanding that this virus isn’t near as dangerous as we once thought.
"Heart disease and cancer aren't nearly as dangerous as we once thought".
Imagine saying that. Then compare the causes of death in the United States over the past few months and get back to me.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:37 PM ^
I can imagine saying that. Because its true, according to the CDC: Heart disease and cancer aren't nearly as dangerous as it used to be, even as the population increases.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:08 PM ^
That's a wonderful false equivalence: take something that, despite fifty years of history, has gradually become less of a killer and blindly compare it to something that went from nonexistent to the #3 deadliest thing in the country in less than a year.
August 10th, 2020 at 5:08 PM ^
Hold up now. You’re the one who brought up trying to compare COVID to heart disease/cancer. You’re the one that tried to draw the equivalence. Not me.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:17 PM ^
Beyond the fact that the article actually states that the risk of death due to heart disease is decreasing while deaths due to cancer are stable, the the drive down isn't necessarily because people have become more "immune" to cancer and heart disease (though the drop in smoking and better eating helps), but in large part because we've had decades of medical advances that help provide useful treatments for people suffering from these causes of death. None of that currently is available for COVID-19, and that's unlikely to change any time soon. And as noted in the results section, they have already seen an uptick in cardiovascular disease and pancreatic cancer due to increases in obesity rates. So it could well be that we're just changing the types of cancers that kill people, for example.
Nobody "catches" cancer or heart disease like COVID-19, and so whatever apples and oranges comparison being made here feels somewhat dubious.
August 10th, 2020 at 5:11 PM ^
I agree. Definitely apples to oranges. I didn’t make the comparison. JamesBonds Herpe did.
August 10th, 2020 at 6:18 PM ^
Keep in mind that more than 1/3 of these deaths came from nursing home blunders which taking that route again will be thankfully eliminated going forward. Also this is dying WITH covid not OF covid which Dr birx has stated time and time again that's how they want to do record keeping with this.
In fact Colorado recently went back and looked closer at each death and said 25 pct were not due to covid but they did have covid when they died. If that's the norm than more than half these deaths are not really legit. Bottom line death rate is down to .3 pct per CDC and that's all ages. It's 99.99 survival under age 50.
Not to mention the average covid death is still HIGHER than the average regular death. From a under age 50 perspective this is nowhere near the most common cause of death especially younger than 25. None of this is opinions but all based on CDC and state data.
August 10th, 2020 at 7:48 PM ^
I know Colorado looked at this back in May which is not 'recently.' Did it happen again or are you unclear on what 'recently' means?
Also how do you go from '25 pct were not due to covid' to 'If that's the norm than more than half.....'? 25% is not more than half ever and you should stop saying such things.
[Edit] BTW, you apparently need to look again at Colorado's assessment of 'died with COVID' vs. 'died due to COVID.' That was redone and shows that less than 7% were not due to COVID.
https://covid19.colorado.gov/covid-19-data
August 10th, 2020 at 2:16 PM ^
Yes, both those statements can be true and said by the same person. It is possible.
Get out of here! It's 2020! Nuance is dead, only extremism allowed! The world is black and white, only one side (always my side btw) is good, and the other side is filled with immoral idiots that need to educate themselves and fall in line!
/s because it is 2020 afterall
August 10th, 2020 at 2:17 PM ^
“1/3 of Americans won’t take the vaccine”
When I was a college student, many moons ago, my university mandated that I be current on vaccinations unless I had a medical reason not to take them.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:29 PM ^
There were always exemptions, but some of them have already been rolled back in some states, sadly.
The last poll I saw was closer to 40%, and in this case it's a wise stance since the tech used for this 'vaccine' (which isn't a true vaccine) has never been used in any application before, and what testing has been done thus far has had problems. Previous attempts to create SARS/corona virus vaccines have failed miserably.
Me, I'll wait to see how it goes for everyone else before I let them inject it into me. Anything rushed like this with a sketchy history won't see me at the front of the line.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:44 PM ^
Q. How have clinical trials for COVID-19 been moving so quickly?
A: In the interest of time for COVID-19, instead of searching for a new treatment, scientists have opted to test treatments that have already been approved for other diseases or have been tested in humans. By starting with a treatment that has been tested extensively in humans, researchers can take advantage of the years of research, preclinical trials and early phase safety trials that have already been conducted on these drugs to move quickly into human patients
https://www.massgeneral.org/news/coronavirus/vaccine-faq
It's not really rushed. They aren't building a vaccine from the ground up like usual. As the answer I copied here shows, they are starting with treatments already approved and tested in humans. The COVID-19 vaccines are all going through the same clinical trial phases as every other vaccine ever released.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:47 PM ^
that this virus isn’t near as dangerous as we once thought.
That's 100% correct, but we also don't know the long term effects and nobody is really reporting the data on the lingering, long lasting effects of getting COVID. It's not like the flu. When it's "gone", you may not ever be 100% again.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:00 PM ^
Yeah, keep the students at home so they can infect their far more vulnerable parents.
August 10th, 2020 at 5:19 PM ^
Where exactly do you think those students are going come Thanksgiving after multiple months of mingling with many other students? I think the parents are probably at lower risk by keeping them home.
August 10th, 2020 at 5:45 PM ^
More of them are going home at Thanksgiving recovered with antibodies than the number coming home every night to their parents.
People are acting like kids are going to stay home in a bubble if they're not on campus. Sorry, that's not happening now and it won't happen in the fall.
August 10th, 2020 at 8:34 PM ^
In order for them to go home with antibodies, they would have had to get it before nov 1. Hard to believe it will have stopped spreading through college age populations by then. In other words, you have to have achieved "herd immunity" in less than 2 months. Estimates I have seen say that at least 40% of the population has to have been infected. Almost certainly, if 40%+ of college students get it in 2 months there will be serious ramifications. College aged folks are low, not 0 risk.
August 10th, 2020 at 4:13 PM ^
And there WONT be a vaccine. There will be a shot like the flu... and there will be therapies. But won't be a vaccine.
August 10th, 2020 at 6:36 PM ^
Okay Karen
August 10th, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^
Fuck the Astros!
August 10th, 2020 at 2:03 PM ^
It's all their fault!
August 10th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^
When they were beating the trashcan: no COVID
When they were forced to stop beating the trashcan: COVID.
This is all MLB's fault
August 10th, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^
There will be a super conference. Nebraska, Iowa, Clemson, Oklahoma, Miami, FSU, to be added to the SEC.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^
I'm starting to think this might actually happen.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:58 PM ^
The SEC won't give up until their last roster players are in ICU. They'd play football that looks like this.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:26 PM ^
OSU will probably join this new super conference as well.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^
Think the Wolverine Wire article said it's a foregone conclusion with a formal announcement due sometime next week maybe Tuesday?
August 10th, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^
I don't think Harbaugh would have made the statement if a vote or a decision had already taken place. He very noticeably called them "rumors," indicating to me that he did not want to speak out of place but that what was being reported as fact was not that.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^
If there was an actual vote you'd think the Michigan Twitter account wouldn't be retweeting players and coaches saying they want to play.
Strange all around. I believe it will be cancelled but this is just a cluster.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:27 PM ^
The players and coaches want to play. The admins that have to worry about liability and players organizing don't. Pretty much as simple as that.
August 10th, 2020 at 11:35 PM ^
We're getting trolled by university presidents and NCAA execs. Where's the moms when you need them?
August 10th, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^
Push the season back to a December start using dome stadiums if needed in January-February with the playoffs in March.
Skip spring practice again and start 2021 in October with a full season assuming we have the vaccine in public by then.
By 2022, we can be back to “normal”
August 10th, 2020 at 1:58 PM ^
You would need a lot of domes.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:20 PM ^
Yeah, but if there are no fans they can probably make it work with some schedule coordination.
There are 3 stadiums in B1G country so 2 games per venue plus 1 - 2 outside games every week.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^
Re domes. Covid-19 spreads less in the outdoors than it does in enclosed spaces.
What’s good enough for the Packers should be good enough for the rest of football.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:39 PM ^
Yes, let's put everyone in a dome where the virus will spread more easily, good idea. We can also book water sports in cruise ships while we're at it.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^
Then play it outside.
Playing in domes wasn't the point of my post.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^
I am seeing the same thing. Big 10 spokesperson says no vote has been conducted. Reminds of anytime we have a coaching search. The media don’t gaf if they are wrong or not as long as they are the first to report something.
August 10th, 2020 at 2:25 PM ^
Can we follow a virtual airplane to get clues?
August 10th, 2020 at 2:29 PM ^
I want to be the IT"S NOT HAPPENING!!!! guy.
August 10th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^
My (only) hope/reason for believing it's not cancelled yet is because there has been zero clarity on what comes next. For example, with the MAC when they cancelled, they are clearly going to try spring football. With the B1G, there is literally no idea what comes next, from what I've read.
If I am a President and voting to deprive my athletic department of $75 million in revenue and piss off tons of high-value donors, I would need to know what next steps are so that when Jim Harbaugh or Stephen Ross calls, I know what to tell them. Saying, "We'll figure it out in a few months; better safe than sorry" doesn't cut it; plans can change, but you need to at least have one.
August 10th, 2020 at 3:00 PM ^
Yes. Let’s let money dictate Health decisions.