I'll bite until its locked. It's very disingenuous of the school presidents -- including our own -- to be so keen on having students back on campus and in class when that environment is almost totally uncontrolled for COVID compared to the football environment that is totally controlled for COVID.
Totally disagree especially for graduate school. Collaboration is so important.
And in the humanities, almost all good writing is the result of many conversations with people and/or groups of people. It is impossible to fully replicate this process online.
So much of what I gained from Michigan as an undergraduate and a graduate student, who never had a lab, would not translate well or at all to zoom.
People are looking at this backwards. They said no classes, no sports. This doesn't make the reverse true. Classes are the primary function of the university. Sports are extracurricular.
Some people are so far removed from reality that they think college extracurricular activities should take precedent over education. Michigan football is a department of the UNIVERSITY of Michigan, a place for higher learning, not a professional football team. If football was the only concern for these presidents, we would most likely have had a different decision, which is why the AD and coaching staff all want to play - they don't have to worry about anything else than sports. Get a grip people...
I think because of how big it's gotten, some people have legitimately forgotten that football is an extracurricular activity. Try to think of it this way. It's basically the chess club, just more popular.
I had to explain this to my boss the other day. He felt the ADs, not the presidents, should be the ones who decide whether or not a season happens. When I asked him why, he essentially replied, "Because the ADs cut the checks." I then had to explain to him that athletic departments are not independent from the university and that athletic department employees are, in fact, university employees.
The easy solution is to have a amateur football league that is branded and owned by Universities and ruled by a single body (NCAA..I guess...) Pay the players, they are amateur athletes, not students. They no longer are required to go to school - though they can if they want to. Maybe they either choose salary or tuition. Then you can have them all sign liability waivers and put them all in a bubble far away from campuses where all the teams can bubble together and compete.
Are they in class in person? Because the Daily says more than 68% of credit hours are online. I can tell you my son, who is a senior and has mostly smaller classes just above 50 people, and two break-outs of 25 or less, watched every one of those classes roll to "Remote due to COVID" during August.
If they had told us this in May or June, we may have been able to give up his lease for a small penalty ...
I argued this very point to both Housing and the Presidents office - to no avail. Many students who are not living in dorms had already been committed to their leases at that point but we were holding out. I finally pulled the trigger around June 1 and my son is staying no matter what as our his roommates. The people in the dorms would probably get their dorms prorated (as UNC just did) otherwise there would be massive lawsuits flying if the University tried to insult everyone again with their "you paid $X but here is $1200 back" refunds.
The tuition is of course a different matter and the Regents have already shown their lack of care by raising tuition this year.
In my opinion, in 10 or 20 years when the University is asking students of this era for donations many of them will say NO.
I mean, they can both be bad ideas. It's not like the school presidents thought "how can we fuck over sports fans but not our bottom dollar". I think a lot of college presidents applied the same pie-in-the-sky, naive thinking about the ability to reopen as coaches and fans applied to sports being played. They cared about something and ignored the reality.
I mean, if Trump offers to use some super-secret government time machine to go back five years and convince his past self to not run for office, there's totally a chance B1G football happens later this fall!
Still has his some of his attention focused on the guys in dark outfits on planes coming to interrupt the RNC. Otherwise, he would've called Larry Scott too
I'm not really sure what it does to move the needle. We all want to play football, it's not like this is being done for funsies and if you're of the opinion that money makes the world go round, I can't imagine the B1G is taking giving up 9 figures of revenue lightly.
NFG
September 1st, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^
Many be walking a fine line posting about Trump and playing football during Covid-19 on MGoBlog.
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The Maize Halo
September 1st, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^
I'll bite until its locked. It's very disingenuous of the school presidents -- including our own -- to be so keen on having students back on campus and in class when that environment is almost totally uncontrolled for COVID compared to the football environment that is totally controlled for COVID.
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ldevon1
September 1st, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^
Are they mutually exclusive?
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The Mad Hatter
September 1st, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^
Education > games.
Simple as that.
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Champeen
September 1st, 2020 at 1:58 PM ^
Bullshit
- Cardale Jones
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Stringer Bell
September 1st, 2020 at 2:20 PM ^
Education you can do online from the comfort and safety of your own home
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taistreetsmyhero
September 1st, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^
Not of the same quality nor (should it be) for the same juicy price
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Stringer Bell
September 1st, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^
Debatable about the quality. Most of college is self-directed learning anyways. The only educational component that really suffers is labs.
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hailtothevictors08
September 1st, 2020 at 2:35 PM ^
Totally disagree especially for graduate school. Collaboration is so important.
And in the humanities, almost all good writing is the result of many conversations with people and/or groups of people. It is impossible to fully replicate this process online.
So much of what I gained from Michigan as an undergraduate and a graduate student, who never had a lab, would not translate well or at all to zoom.
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RoseInBlue
September 1st, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^
People are looking at this backwards. They said no classes, no sports. This doesn't make the reverse true. Classes are the primary function of the university. Sports are extracurricular.
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azee2890
September 1st, 2020 at 2:00 PM ^
Some people are so far removed from reality that they think college extracurricular activities should take precedent over education. Michigan football is a department of the UNIVERSITY of Michigan, a place for higher learning, not a professional football team. If football was the only concern for these presidents, we would most likely have had a different decision, which is why the AD and coaching staff all want to play - they don't have to worry about anything else than sports. Get a grip people...
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RoseInBlue
September 1st, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^
I think because of how big it's gotten, some people have legitimately forgotten that football is an extracurricular activity. Try to think of it this way. It's basically the chess club, just more popular.
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Bergs
September 1st, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^
I had to explain this to my boss the other day. He felt the ADs, not the presidents, should be the ones who decide whether or not a season happens. When I asked him why, he essentially replied, "Because the ADs cut the checks." I then had to explain to him that athletic departments are not independent from the university and that athletic department employees are, in fact, university employees.
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azee2890
September 1st, 2020 at 2:35 PM ^
The easy solution is to have a amateur football league that is branded and owned by Universities and ruled by a single body (NCAA..I guess...) Pay the players, they are amateur athletes, not students. They no longer are required to go to school - though they can if they want to. Maybe they either choose salary or tuition. Then you can have them all sign liability waivers and put them all in a bubble far away from campuses where all the teams can bubble together and compete.
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RGard
September 1st, 2020 at 1:50 PM ^
If they go all on line after the drop/add date for getting the full tuition paid back...well, it'll be a bad look and a pretty shitty thing to do.
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The Mad Hatter
September 1st, 2020 at 1:51 PM ^
Meh.
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maizenbluenc
September 1st, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^
Are they in class in person? Because the Daily says more than 68% of credit hours are online. I can tell you my son, who is a senior and has mostly smaller classes just above 50 people, and two break-outs of 25 or less, watched every one of those classes roll to "Remote due to COVID" during August.
If they had told us this in May or June, we may have been able to give up his lease for a small penalty ...
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Go Blue Eyes
September 1st, 2020 at 1:59 PM ^
I argued this very point to both Housing and the Presidents office - to no avail. Many students who are not living in dorms had already been committed to their leases at that point but we were holding out. I finally pulled the trigger around June 1 and my son is staying no matter what as our his roommates. The people in the dorms would probably get their dorms prorated (as UNC just did) otherwise there would be massive lawsuits flying if the University tried to insult everyone again with their "you paid $X but here is $1200 back" refunds.
The tuition is of course a different matter and the Regents have already shown their lack of care by raising tuition this year.
In my opinion, in 10 or 20 years when the University is asking students of this era for donations many of them will say NO.
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bronxblue
September 1st, 2020 at 2:01 PM ^
I mean, they can both be bad ideas. It's not like the school presidents thought "how can we fuck over sports fans but not our bottom dollar". I think a lot of college presidents applied the same pie-in-the-sky, naive thinking about the ability to reopen as coaches and fans applied to sports being played. They cared about something and ignored the reality.
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Blue@LSU
September 1st, 2020 at 2:05 PM ^
Please explain. It seems that there is plenty of evidence showing that this isn't the case.
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username03
September 1st, 2020 at 2:18 PM ^
Not at Michigan, which is proof of concept.
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Blue@LSU
September 1st, 2020 at 2:25 PM ^
If only other teams were willing or able to do the same. But that's the rub isn't it...
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RoseInBlue
September 1st, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^
"Yeah, that guy called. Please see previous statements regarding football season because absolutely nothing has changed." - B1G
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Sleepy
September 1st, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
I mean, if Trump offers to use some super-secret government time machine to go back five years and convince his past self to not run for office, there's totally a chance B1G football happens later this fall!
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Booted Blue in PA
September 1st, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^
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Booted Blue in PA
September 1st, 2020 at 1:40 PM ^
a double header of locked threads? loctite?
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Go Blue Eyes
September 1st, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^
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dcloren2121
September 1st, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^
Politics and sports are currently intertwined. It is what it is
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SpamCityCentral
September 1st, 2020 at 1:42 PM ^
[Edit: Locked by Ace]
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JamesBondHerpesMeds
September 1st, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^
it's okay, trump was just asking whether or not the Big Ten liked his performance in Home Alone 2.
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RockinLoud
September 1st, 2020 at 2:06 PM ^
This is false. Know how I know? Because if it was actually Trump he would've said "leading role performance".
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AlaskanYeti
September 1st, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^
Glad this additional avenue is being explored.
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VAWolverine
September 1st, 2020 at 1:46 PM ^
Introducing the Hydroxychloroquin Bowl brought to you by Walgreens...
A Big 10 team will be invited.
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The Mad Hatter
September 1st, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^
Must not have been anything worth watching on TV.
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Sopwith
September 1st, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^
POTUS is taking a break from looking for leads in the Joe Scarborough-is-a-murderer investigation.
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ESNY
September 1st, 2020 at 2:22 PM ^
Still has his some of his attention focused on the guys in dark outfits on planes coming to interrupt the RNC. Otherwise, he would've called Larry Scott too
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The Mad Hatter
September 1st, 2020 at 2:26 PM ^
Living in this episode Black Mirror sucks. Can we switch to the one where the PM fucks a pig?
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RockinLoud
September 1st, 2020 at 2:33 PM ^
Nah, I want the one where you can block people in real life.
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Bo Harbaugh
September 1st, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^
IBD
Trump needs midwest swing states.
No B1G football bad for morale.
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Mi Sooner
September 1st, 2020 at 2:05 PM ^
The first political commercials showing empty stadiums is online here in the Midwest.
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Bo Harbaugh
September 1st, 2020 at 1:45 PM ^
IBD
Trump needs midwest swing states.
No B1G football bad for morale.
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KennyHiggins
September 1st, 2020 at 1:46 PM ^
How many truckloads of $$ are showing up at Commissioner Warren's house, so POTUS can take credit for saving football?
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Maize and Luke
September 1st, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^
I’d love to see a list of how many ‘Task Forces’ there are in the White House.
Toilet paper task force.
Nose hair trimming task force.
The list must be endless.
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Peter Parker
September 1st, 2020 at 2:02 PM ^
Task Force for Task Forces
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Macenblu
September 1st, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^
Well, it is the most pressing issue in the country right now
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The Baughz
September 1st, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^
Fuck Teddy Greenstein.
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Soulfire21
September 1st, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^
I'm not really sure what it does to move the needle. We all want to play football, it's not like this is being done for funsies and if you're of the opinion that money makes the world go round, I can't imagine the B1G is taking giving up 9 figures of revenue lightly.
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ThePonyConquerer
September 1st, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^
I'm gonna say it.
Mean Girls is just a ripoff of Heathers.
THERE, I SAID IT!! FOR ANYONE WHO DOWNVOTES THIS, I GUESS WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE THEN!!
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RGard
September 1st, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^
Every day you are getting closer to a 4 digit negative point count. We'll get you to positive integers some time next year I think.
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mooseman
September 1st, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^
I heard guys in dark uniforms were flying in to interfere with football season.
I think they're from Penn St.
Maybe Rutgers
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