My ND preview: UM Defense

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Intro is same as offense version here, http://mgoblog.com/diaries/my-nd-preview-um-offense

All right so I am going to start this off by saying 2 things #1 UM’s win over WMU is great for everyone.  ND fans are more excited about this game than before, obviously the entire stadium was rocking with support of UM and the coaching staff and the entire team looked like they were having a great time.  Although everyone on the team didn’t experience last year, it looked like they all came together to put any fears of that repeating fully to bed.  I fully congratulate UM on their win and I mostly wish them success in the future.

 Before we move on to #2 I want to put up this disclaimer: You probably will not like what I am going to post, and I won’t hold it against anyone if it results in some lashing out, I was prepared for that long before I registered.  Also remember that quite a few posters actually requested this write up so here it goes….

#2 ND is going to tear UM’s defense apart, still too harsh? :) So if you’re still with me, you would probably ask why is that?  The passing threats are self evident, Tate and Floyd are constant play makers and if a secondary focuses on them with coverage then Rudolph or the Kamara coming out of the slot will burn teams up the middle.  A team sells out to the pass and the running game will kick in.  The running game will probably never be the shoulders this offense rides on but it began to show its teeth in week 1.  The new additions to the staff have already proven their worth in regards to the running game.  If your still still reading you shouldn't take that #2 statement too literally, it was just meant to weed out the undesirables.

UM Defense:

Secondary

WMU did not challenge UM’s defense and their short pass play calling allowed the secondary to play close to the line of scrimmage and support the run. The UM secondary was challenged maybe a total of 4 times with passes attempted over 15 yards. 

One was knocked down, and another fell incomplete when Hiller had 4 defenders break through his Oline causing him to throw early.  The last 2 completions both came late in the 2nd quarter on the last drive when WMU actually looked like they had a decent offense, though it stalled out a few plays later.  There were 2-3 drives that WMU was able to move the ball and they did it with a balanced attack by going with 10yardsish passes which pulled back the secondary and allowed for some respectable runs up front.  The only pass that took advantage of UM crowding the LOS was the 73 yard TD pass which was about a 30 yard pass and 43 YAC, that should worry UM fans more than anything. 

That type of attack is what you will see from ND though the ratio might be more like 2:1.  UM’s run support will not be able to rely on help from a secondary, they will have their hands full with our WRs.  ND will stretch the field, unlike anything WMU did.

Also where did all the excitement over Donovan Warren come from?  He did lead the team in tackles with 6.5 but he also generated 45 yards in penalties with 2 Pass interception penalties and a personal foul, which was away from the ball and the camera.  I would not be surprised one bit if he gets picked on next week by the play calling.  Especially if he still doesn’t think that he deserved those penalties on those particular plays; it could be a long game for him. 

Front 7

UM’s front 7 really took apart WMU’s line repeatedly.  The Oline was confused and lost, letting rushers through unchallenged.  They too got out of position and it led to the defense being able to drop the backs and QB for losses.  Overall UM tackled well, and didn’t let up really at all during the game.  Those front 7 will be looking across at an upgraded Oline this week though. Nevada’s pass rush last year was no slouch and they got pressure on clausen a couple times, they returned 2 DEs who totaled 23 sacks last season* and 15 tackles for loss. [EDIT]> The ND line did a great job giving Clausen time, he did feel the pressure a couple times, and Nevada did get one sack. There is no doubt Clausen will feel a strong pass rush this week, Brandon Graham will be a strong force on the outside and the ND Oline will need to have to slow him down in order to give Clausen time to pass.   The ND rushing attack was nowhere near amazing last week but it was a respectable 172 yards with 4.3 yds/c.  I am excited to see how physical they will be against the UM front, who showed their teeth against the WMU front regularly

[*EDIT: both DE's sack totals came from less than stellar competition and were probably not good indicators of NDs Oline strength]

Overall though the UM front 7 showed they can bring pressure regularly and that the Oline has to be ready for it to come from anyone.  The secondary probably had one of their easiest games of the season, and came away with just as many questions as a week ago, IMO.   The ND Oline will not tire as easily as WMU’s did and when they do, we again have depth to rotate them out.

Looking at how both teams match up against each other, you have to give ND the advantage.  ND’s passing attack vs an inexperienced UM secondary with little depth.  If you can’t stop the pass in the secondary that pass rush upfront will become even more important. And with the way the ND Oline shut down the 2 Nevada DEs I can’t see it being enough to stop the passing attack. Then you have the true freshman QBs under regular pressure from whatever blitz has been dialed up, and a secondary that doesn’t give an inch anywhere on the field and I still see ND having the advantage. 

With that all said, ND is playing at UM, in front of 108,000 anti-fans who are going to be loud the entire game, angry the entire game and ready to win again.  If UM can come out strong early and continue the same type of play they had against WMU, it will be a close game till the end no matter what advantage I may think ND has.

Comments

TheBigAC

September 8th, 2009 at 12:48 PM ^

Does any team actually rotate their o linemen throughout a game? I always thought that the starting 5 played every snap barring injuries or a blowout situation. This always seemed to be the norm to me.

Irish

September 8th, 2009 at 1:18 PM ^

ND has 6 guys, that are "starters". The 5/6th guy is the left tackle and is going to be rotated through the game. Then there are 2 interior lineman who are rotated if they are needed, not sure how much they actually rotated but the depth is there.

WolverSwede

September 8th, 2009 at 12:48 PM ^

By saying that ND will "tear apart" UM while basing this opinion almost entirely upon week 1, you are either assuming that: 35-0 >>>> 31-7 which, like...really? or: Nevada >>>> Western. I would say its more like 35-0 =(with squiggly lines) 31-7 and Nevada > Western. Which would lead me to believe, like the rest of the world, that ND is slightly favored.

Irish

September 8th, 2009 at 1:22 PM ^

Yeah that "ND is going to tear XXX apart" is just to break the ice, and try to get the angry poster to go away, not that I think you in particular would fall into the category. Which is why I put the :) after it give you the since that there is some sarcasm and joking included in that one tight little sentence.

bklein09

September 8th, 2009 at 12:51 PM ^

Brandon Graham ==/== Nevada Anything Again my whole problem with this post is that you use ND's game against Nevada to make direct statements about how Michigan will perform. You spent more words talking up the DEs for Nevada than you did talking about Michigan and especially the NFL first rounder playing for them on the Dline. We all know how BG steps it up for big games. He was a half step away from two or three sacks against Western, and although the ND Oline will be far better, I do not think that rotating in your talented back-up OTs will prevent the pressure from coming. OK so the ND Oline won't get tired. Good point. ND will win handily. Um...no

Irish

September 8th, 2009 at 1:27 PM ^

Well if it came off that way that wasn't how I intended it. But until the two teams play, the only thing I can do is compare the 2 games and how each offense attacked each defense and vice versa. I posted that I expect ND to feel the UM pressure much more than they did against Nevada, but saying that I don't think the pressure will be enough to give them the advantage on defense.

StevieY19

September 8th, 2009 at 1:22 PM ^

Nevada should call the 11 players that trot out at the same time as opposing offenses something other than "defense" because whatever they do, does not resemble one. They gave up 32+ ppg last season despite having a decent go of stopping the run. Anyway, thanks for putting together the previews. Although I can't say I agree (obvs) they were good reads.

Seth

September 8th, 2009 at 1:26 PM ^

Typical Domer: you missed our holes and attacked our strengths.* I've defended you and respect your posts as an outsider, but gee, man, you got a lot of things pretty solidly wrong, mostly in the secondary. Let's go through that section, with mini-plusses and minuses.
"WMU did not challenge UM’s defense and their short pass play calling allowed the secondary to play close to the line of scrimmage and support the run. The UM secondary was challenged maybe a total of 4 times with passes attempted over 15 yards. One was knocked down, and another fell incomplete when Hiller had 4 defenders break through his Oline causing him to throw early. The last 2 completions both came late in the 2nd quarter on the last drive when WMU actually looked like they had a decent offense, though it stalled out a few plays later."
That is very true, and I found it very strange. The matchup that scared me the most was NFL-headed QB vs. Michigan's safeties. Yet we got dinking and dunking, and apparently, we have a very good anti-dinking-and-dunking defense.
"There were 2-3 drives..."
...after Michigan was up by 31 points and in Prevent...
"...that WMU was able to move the ball and they did it with a balanced attack by going with 10yardsish passes"
...against Michigan's prevent defense
"...which pulled back the secondary"
...which didn't have to move, by nature of already being pulled back, being up 31-0 and in prevent.
"...and allowed for some respectable runs up front."
"The only pass that took advantage of UM crowding the LOS was the 73 yard TD pass which was about a 30 yard pass and 43 YAC, that should worry UM fans more than anything."
We would be worried, except it was against the backups at the most paper-thin position group in recent M-memory. In other words, read your secondary preview. In case you missed it, here's Brian on backup safeties:
"What backups? It appears that Jared Van Slyke is on the two-deep for serious. Now, you can get away with the occasional walk-on safety—Jon Chait had the best zinger of a three-hour block on WTKA when he said Wisconsin had an "endowed chair" for walk-on safeties—but raise your hand if you're enthusiastic about that prospect given Michigan's safety play of late. Right: no one."
/Brian. Back to you:
"That type of attack is what you will see from ND though the ratio might be more like 2:1. UM’s run support will not be able to rely on help from a secondary, they will have their hands full with our WRs. ND will stretch the field, unlike anything WMU did."
You know your team's tendencies best. From everything I've seen from Coach Weiss, this completely fits what I think his overarching strategy has always been. West Coast he is not. This is a shoot-and-shoot offense that relies on house-sized offensive linemen to man-on-man the defensive linemen and hold them off until the gunslinging quarterback can shoot it to a streaking receiver. Draw runs and short-drop slants keep things honest, but the big plays come from the bomb, amiright?
"Also where did all the excitement over Donovan Warren come from?"
A freshman season of awesome a la Ty Law/Leon Hall/Marlin Jackson/Charles Woodson, followed by a sophomore season of contribution though very very injured, followed by us learning that he had been very very injured and is now healthy, followed by practice hype, followed by an excellent Game 1 performance. Oh, was that rhetorical?
"He did lead the team in tackles with 6.5 but he also generated 45 yards in penalties with 2 Pass interception [sic] penalties and a personal foul, which was away from the ball and the camera. I believe the PF got him pulled from the game as well?"
Yes on the first part. As to the rest, Craig James and Mike Patrick disagreed with both PI calls -- on review I think the consensus was they were bogus calls during blowout time. Although as a Notre Dame fan I fully understand you being a major "I call it as it stands" fan w/r/t penalties, since pretty much every one of your rivals thinks ND is the most notorious recipient of favored officiating. No, the personal foul didn't get him pulled. He was in on the next play, which was Jonas Mouton's interception. He also made the first tackle on the next drive. He stayed in the game late, even after most of the other unreplaceables were sitting, and made the final tackle of the game.
"I would not be surprised one bit if he gets picked on next week by the play calling. Especially if he still doesn’t think that he deserved those penalties on those particular plays; it is going to be a long game for him."
Pick on him. Please. Send every pass you have in the direction of our most (only?) competent defensive back. Please. What you didn't notice was that when Michigan backed off in coverage, Warren was still coming up and making plays all game. Almost all of those tackles started with him 10 feet or more past the line of scrimmage, then coming up to make the play. So throw it at Warren. Pay no attention to the 5'9 true sophomore. Pay no attention to the legacy who switched positions in the spring. Pay no attention to the redshirt sophomore who couldn't wrest playing time from the worst safety combo in Michigan history last year. Watch where No. 6 is and throw it there. Every play. Or at least every play that your O-line manages to keep a single-blocked Brandon Graham out of the backfield. I mean this with the greatest respect, Irish, but you're wrong about the beards. * e.g. "Hey, guys, let's leave Gabe Watson/Lamarr Woodley/Brandon Graham single-blocked. And guys, let's call deep, long developing passes again and again versus Michigan's blitz-happy nickel package -- they totally won't be expecting THAT."

Meeechigan Dan

September 8th, 2009 at 1:40 PM ^

I agree with that, well done, except your concern about Boubacar. He was better than Warren on Saturday (they were both good) and I think he is a blanket. That said, Floyd ate him up in the all-star game...worried about the height a little (as you indicate).

Irish

September 8th, 2009 at 1:46 PM ^

I can understand what your saying with the prevent defense it is a good point to say the least. With the secondary, even though they're the backups that position has always been one that I expect to have a decent number of players rotating through which would include the backups (1s and 2s). That is what ND has done in the past and expected that to carry over, if your referring to backups as in the 3s or 4s then I probably wouldn't disagree with you It wasn't a rhetorical question on Donovan Warren. My thoughts on the PI calls was that he was clearly preventing the receiver from running his route, which is interference as I understand it. Warren has a right to go after the ball but he seemed to be just going after the receiver. I will edit out the getting pulled, I wasn't sure. Thanks for the rest of everything you said as well.

Engin77

September 8th, 2009 at 1:24 PM ^

This series has seen the underdog do very well.
Notre dame, carrying a huge load of preseason expectations, travels to Ann Arbor to face a young, rambunctious group of Wolverines looking have fun playing football and support their unfairly criticized coaches.
Its easy to fall into the trap of over-analysis; both teams have talent; one team has very little to lose.

sonofasonofadomer

September 8th, 2009 at 3:39 PM ^

I understand the UM fan perspective concerning your team, but not sure that ND came into the season with a HUGE load of preseason expectations. They were ranked (and absent in many polls) around 23. The only HUGE thing on their shoulders was the looming criticism of Weis, his job security and a roomful of cynics. If ND were to even run the table everybody would be squawking about their SOS being light, blah, blah, blah...

Engin77

September 8th, 2009 at 6:07 PM ^

from the preseason predictions from the "pundit team" at BGS: http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html#296667041825048…
three predict 11-1
three predict 10-2
three predict 9-3
All nine predict a win at Michigan
I won't dignify the rantings of a former ND coach who predicted 12-0 on his ESPN platform; but I'd say preseason expectations were/are *very* high.

ShockFX

September 9th, 2009 at 10:47 AM ^

So I got the score wrong. ND didn't block, couldn't tackle, didn't cover short or long, and the blitzes ND sent never made it to Threet. However, ND did get 3 [very] short field TDs, 1 horrible PI call followed by a 1 man route that scored a long TD, then a fumble return for a TD. This is despite the fact that Mathews got jobbed (that was a fucking TD catch and you know it), and Grady's fumble (forward progress?). Not to be the insane homer guy, but in the worst turnover fest ever, Michigan was one (out of many) horrible call (Grady shitty reffingfumble) from being down 28-24 and totally changing the game. Alternatively, you could use that description and change Michigan to USC and it's accurate. Lawl.

GRBluefan

September 8th, 2009 at 1:26 PM ^

misreading this string of posts, but it seems that he is essentially saying... "We are clearly a superior team, but there are things that are out of our control (i.e., road game, angry fans, luck, etc.) which may make it possible for your inferior team to defeat us in a game of football." Does that sound about right?

wile_e8

September 8th, 2009 at 2:19 PM ^

This post needs to be revived from time to time for its 100% pure Colombian awesomeness, but in this case it specifically needs to be brought up for comment #143:
NDFanboy1: Hey did you see the grasses are short on the field? NDFanboy2: Coach Weis is a genius. He did it to neutralize the speed of the other team. Observer: But won’t both the teams slow dwn? NDFanboy1: Typographical mistake. Go and learn some English. Typical redneck.

sonofasonofadomer

September 8th, 2009 at 3:36 PM ^

UM fanboy1: I know that we lost the game decidedly, but we really gave it away, what with the turnovers, missed reads, slips on the wet field, etc. UM fanboy2 confused: But don't special teams, turnovers and play execution count as well?? UM fanboy1: Umm, uh...did I tell you the latest Charlie Weis is fat joke?? ;) In jest.

victors2000

September 8th, 2009 at 1:32 PM ^

on who controls the LOS. As has been mentioned, we are probably the more physical team and that will be a plus for us. Our O-line isn't too shabby, they've been together for last year as well and minus the penalties looked very good against Western. It's going to be an exciting game but I wouldn't count us out, we're on our way to a return to glory! Oh, you guys are still using that, aren't you? Nevermind, we'll just go with 'Shock the world'

mbee1

September 8th, 2009 at 1:32 PM ^

Notre Dame went deep early and often, which was totally different than the dink and dunk Weiss offense of previos seasons. Once U of M adjusted (by 2nd quarter), the tide turned. Trent got a pick, and ND's offense only scored off Michigan miscues. The key will be Stevie Brown. He'll have to handle Rudolph one-on-one and give support in the run game to allow both safeties to play over the top on Tate and Floyd. FUPA Weiss has to big an ego to drive the ball using the running attack. If UM doesn't give up the big play and continues to tackle well, the D will be alright.

Irish

September 8th, 2009 at 1:52 PM ^

I am not too worried about any ego Weis may have, when asked after the game whether he was satisfied with the performance in the run game over the passing game he said something to the extent of "I will always take the points over the yards."

Elno Lewis

September 8th, 2009 at 1:45 PM ^

You're not a Michigan fan are you? Just wondering, why are you posting that stuff here? And, did you post it at an ND site, as well? And, what size is your skin? and....tl;dr

MaizeNBlu628

September 8th, 2009 at 1:47 PM ^

I didn't watch the ND game as i was screaming my head off at the big house, but on the long passing TDs for Clausen, were they on 7 step drops? Cause the Michigan dline was applying tons of pressure on Hillar who was only taking 3/5 step drops, missing on several sacks by just a split second. If ND feels they can have Clausen drop back for 7 and sit in the pocket all day, they're gonna get a rudeee awakening.

Bluerock

September 8th, 2009 at 1:59 PM ^

ND will not see the same package that was shown to Western. I am sure Gerg has a little something for ND. RR is going to serve up a healthy dose of some Minor rage,I wouldn't be surprised if Minor lines up in the I often saturday and pounds on that defense.

Irish

September 8th, 2009 at 2:05 PM ^

Minor will be the wildcard, and the whole offense could revolve on how to get him carries which would be really the opposite of what UM showed against WMU. I am looking forward to what the UM D will bring against our Offense, see how good we actually are.

blueloosh

September 8th, 2009 at 2:20 PM ^

And I do appreciate your willingness to provide thorough analysis to "the enemy." But it seems like you studied the UM-WMU game to see whether or not Western was actually very good, and studied the Notre Dame game to see just how amazing you were. And your conclusions to those two questions are correct. Western did not look very good; Notre Dame looked great. But I think a fan slanted our direction might come to the same conclusion. I.e. "Upon studying us, we are incredible. Upon studying Nevada, they were not as good as people thought." I think your defense will be a very tough front for our offense, but I'm not sure last week closed the door on any running QB ever scoring points against Tenuta for the rest of his natural life. Similarly, I am terrified of your downfield passing. Your WRs are outstanding. Jimmy throws a terrific ball when he has time and an open receiver. But don't be shocked if our DBs do a little better running around with your receivers this week. Nevada is a very respectable team, but look back at the points they gave up in their 2008 games against decent opponents. T. Tech (35) Missouri (69) N. Mex. State (48) Hawaii (38) Boise State (41) Maryland (42) It is not that Western was better. But the caliber of each team's week 1 opponent should temper the conclusions each fan base draws from those games. Not that I begrudge you your enthusiasm and excitement. And again, thanks for contributing.

willywill9

September 8th, 2009 at 2:44 PM ^

I agree - there is a lot of emphasis on the skills of the opponent, rather than the teams in question themselves. Why don't we cancel the ND/Michigan game, and invite Nevada and Western to play at the big house this saturday. The winner will determine which team (Nevada or WMU)is the better opponent and will also determine who wins the Michigan-ND game.

Tha Stunna

September 8th, 2009 at 2:20 PM ^

I'd mostly agree with a less negative bias toward Michigan. I think the defensive matchup will actually come down to pass rush vs ND OL. Given time, Clausen will destroy our secondary; it's better, but it's not going to be good enough. The one thing Clausen has consistently shown is that with an invincible OL he can pick apart defenders. If we need our safeties a lot, we lose. Thus, it comes down to QB pressure to either sack him or force him to ditch it early. That will be the difference between the ND offense being deadly or mediocre. I'd go with effective, but with at least one turnover due to pressure. I don't put much credence in the run; that's mainly a decoy for the passing game. If we start getting gouged for 5 yards regularly, then we'll have to focus more on the run and that will be big trouble, but U of M will be fine stopping the run as is. The game will be won or lost in the air (for Michigan's defense).

Irish

September 8th, 2009 at 2:32 PM ^

This game could very easily come down to the play in the trenches. If we can't contain Denard or Tate we are going to look like WMU did. And if Clausen doesn't have a pocket is running for his life all game long there will not be an offensive rhythm to put points on the board with.

bronxblue

September 8th, 2009 at 2:32 PM ^

Nice dual diary posts. The analysis has some teeth, and it is nice to receive the opposing fan's perspective. I will take issue, as others have, with your apparent over-reliance on a couple of games/stats to forecast how this weekend's game will play out. ND's passing offense is quite impressive when Clausen has time, but then again most teams will. But just like WMU's defense is nothing to write home about, neither is Nevada's. They have two decent DEs and ND was able to keep them off Clausen, but neither of them are in the same class as Graham. Both Moch and Basped sack totals were a bit inflated because they (a) played in a large number of high-scoring games, when both teams are dropping back and passing quite a bit and, as a result, have far more opportunities to record sacks, and (b) recorded a large number of their sacks against mediocre teams. Of the duo's 24 sacks, 6 came against Hawaii (which was ranked dead last in the country last year for sacks allowed at 4.07), 3 against Utah St (#107 in Sacks Allowed) and 4 against Grambling (#111 in Sacks Allowed in the FCS(!)). So while those DEs had some nice numbers, a little over 1/2 came against two poor-blocking FBS teams and a bad FCS team. Graham will be a huge test of the ND Oline, and guys like Roh and Martin should be able to gum up the running game far more than anything Nevada threw out. Couple that with UM's superiority at DB over anything Nevada had, and I'm not sure you can expect ND to just run up and down the UM defense like they did last week.

bronxblue

September 8th, 2009 at 3:17 PM ^

I really like the analysis. As has been said before, it is nice to see a fan's logical perspective. And I wholly agree that ND's offense will be a bear this weekend, and if Tate and Floyd can get loose a few times it might be a long day for the good guys (:-)). One of my pet peeves, though, has always been the reliance on sack numbers and a high-ranking run defense when describing defensive players on high-scoring teams. Probably goes back to the Rams team that won the Super Bowl years ago - they had a top-5 run defense and sack totals, but it is because (a) teams were being outscored so early on that they abandoned the run by the 3rd quarter in order to catch up, and (b) with no running game to worry about, guys like Kevin Carter could just tee off on the QBs. I think big sack totals have a place in determining the quality of a D-lineman, but they can also be extremely misleading.

Hannibal.

September 8th, 2009 at 2:39 PM ^

Michigan's DBs might be on for a really long day. Our lack of depth got badly exposed in the 2nd half against Western Michigan. Graham and Martin have to have huge games against Notre Dame and force double teams and backs/tight ends to stay in blocking. I think that the spread in favor of ND right now is appropriate. But Michigan could win a high scoring game.

MGoObes

September 8th, 2009 at 2:42 PM ^

for your "UM will go 6-6" prediction, we'll see. idk if you recall but our DC beat your team at south bend last year...with syracuse. i'm also not sure where this ND's OL won't tire as easily thing comes from either. WMU's OL didn't get gashed because they were tired, they got gashed because Michigan's OL was just better.