Warren Leaning "Heavily" Towards Leaving
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The delightful news keeps coming:
Warren, a third-year junior who led Michigan with 4 interceptions this year, has filed paperwork to ask the NFL's underclass advisory committee for his draft status.
He said Thursday their input will play into his decision, but turning pro is "just something that I believe it's just for me."
"I'm definitely, I'd have to say heavily, I like the chances of me coming out," Warren said at Michigan's annual football bust.
Lame.
BONUS: Vincent Smith's ACL was torn against Ohio State. He'll miss spring practice and may be touchy going into the fall according to someone close to the situation.
God must hate everything Michigan.
I no longer believe in various Angry Michigan X Hating Gods.
There is only one almighty God.
And he just hates Michigan.
This team is under construction. We thank you for your patience.
Why, God? WHY?
Hail to the Victors!
He has basically the exact guru rating as LaMiacheal James, who we saw run wild all season for Oregon as a redshirt frosh.
they both were four-stars, James, iirc, a top-20 player from Texas. Toussaint, a top-20 player from Ohio.
Sucks to see Smith get hurt, but i think we could have something with Toussaint and Shaw and Cox are more than capable.
Also: DWar, good luck. Seems like yseterday that you got here.
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was because the Oregon oline is pretty frickin' good. There were a lot of runs last night where he had good size/gaping holes to run through. He did break some tackles, but a lot of his success is due to a solid oline. You don't average 220+ yds/game rushing (as Oregon did) without a very solid oline.
At least the schedule for 2010 is favorable. With any improvement there's 8-9 wins available.
2010 U-M schedule
DATE OPPONENT (2009 RECORD)
Sept. 4 Connecticut (6-5)
Sept. 11 at Notre Dame (6-6)
Sept. 18 Massachusetts (5-6)
Sept. 25 Bowling Green (7-5)
Oct. 2 at Indiana (4-8)
Oct. 9 Michigan State (6-6)
Oct. 16 Iowa (10-2)
Oct. 23 Bye
Oct. 30 at Penn State (10-2)
Nov. 6 Illinois (3-8)
Nov. 13 at Purdue (5-7)
Nov. 20 Wisconsin (8-3)
Nov. 27 at Ohio State (10-2)
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I'd say maybe with a lot of improvement there might be 8-9 wins available. Sometimes I wonder if people realize how bad it is at UM right now.
UM's gone 3-13 in big ten play the last two years. They got blown out by a 3-8 Illinois team. They needed heroic comebacks to beat a 6-6 ND team, a 4-8 Indiana team and get to OT with a 6-6 MSU team.
They're probably going to lose 3 of their best defenders from an awful defense (Warren, Brown and Graham).
Until I see evidence in the fall to make me change my mind, the only games that I see that should be W's are BGSU and UMass. That doesn't mean they can't win more games, but the other 10 games, imo, are either toss ups or probable losses.
I agree somewhat with the sentiment, but remember that its not like the defense has been lights-out for the past few years. We keep talking about how bad the defense is and how they are losing their best players, but they were one of the worst defenses in the country the past two years. They were 81st this year and 87th the year before. Sure, losing Graham will be a major hole, but it's not like Brown was a revelation as a LB or that Warren was a major contributor the second half of the season. Brown was competent as a LB, and after No Stevie! that might be a major improvement, but objectively it wasn't as big of an improvement as people seem to think. As for Warren, he was a top DB for the first half of the year, but he started to fall off badly toward the end of the year, and maybe his ceiling is a bit lower than everyone figured after taking over against weaker teams like Indiana and non-ND OOC teams.
I guess my point is that the offense should improve if for no other reason than the fact the starting QBs will not be freshmen, and the offensive line and WRs should improve somewhat with more experience/talent. The defense will be a work in progress, but I just can't see them being that much worse. They'll patchwork together a defensive line, pray the LBs figure out how to tackle in space, and deal with a shoddy secondary. Maybe 9 wins is a stretch, but 8-5 with a bowl win is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
ND will likely be in flux with a new coach and most of their offense leaves (as everyone expects) and their defense continues to be about as bad as UM's. Indiana will be tough, but I also think they played a great game against a UM team that was riding a little high on itself after beating ND and EMU. BGSU and UMass should be wins. UConn might be looking for a new coach (there have been rumblings Edsall might wind up in Kansas or Cincy if Kelly leaves), so who knows how that will play out. MSU and Iowa at home will certainly be more winnable than on the road, and PSU and Illinois will be replacing QBs that have tormented UM over the years. Purdue will be using another first-year signal-caller. Wiscy and OSU will be tough again, but that shouldn't surprise anyone.
Maybe it is just me, but I see 6-7 wins on the board right now, and depending on how the team does in recruiting and who they have filling the gaps of the departing players, even 8-9 wins is not crazy. I know people are down about this program right now, and people will argue that they could easily have gone 3-9 again this year. At the same time, though, they were a couple of bounces from going 7-5 or even 8-4. Stuff like that happens all the time, and the same travails and upheavel UM is going through is also happening to many of their upcoming opponents.
You could argue that this schedule is actually harder than this year's schedule. ND on the road; UConn (which is loaded with seniors) is a tougher game than Western Michigan, Indiana (our only B10 win) will be on the road. And, of course, no Grahem, likely no Warren and now possibly a hobbled V. Smith.
All of that said, yeah I am sort of with you that 8 - 9 wins is not out of the question if there is some decent improvement as a result of experience and consistency. All games except PSU and OSU should be winable.
when you copied and pasted the remark from last year at this time.
of all the returning backs, Smith is the only one that seems to have the ability to make something out of nothing and that is crucial to keep the chains moving.
Shaw has big play ability, but is as likely to get hit for a loss as he is to gain 15 yard (and then lose his balance and fall).
Cox showed good balance and good burst against inferiour competition. Toussaint is the wild card here and hopefully he is healed.
Talent wise we are deep enough to take this loss, but I really think that Smith would have been our best option as an every down back, and the Hart comparisons were apt.
We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now. - Bruce Coslet
well...I hear volleyball is good this year...that at least is some good news, right? ...right?
While the Red Wings were being swept in Stockholm by the Blues (2nd-3rd), Michigan loses to State in OT. 3 days later the Tigers finish choking themselves out of the playoffs. The dismantled Pistons are lottery bound, Michigan finishes 1-7, UM hockey looks like computer simulated "Beginner" level, Basketball makes me throw up in the back of my mouth, even wrestling, a perennial top 10 national finisher, is down this year. Oh yeah, the Lions. We knew Donovan was going to go, and if Big Mel and his afro have him going that high, he's gone. I feel terrible for Vinnie Smith. Kind of a poor man's Mike Hart early on. Good in the zone scheme, moves chains, good hands out of the backfield, not a breakaway threat, but good overall.
You have good, well-reasoned comments. You should stick around here.
Thanks dude. Just looking for people who are going through what I am right now. I live in Texas, so no one to really complain with, except A&M fans, but trust me, you don't really want to talk to them any more than you have to.
that's tits.
You performed well enough at UM that you will earn yourself a spot in the NFL draft. Thank you for your contributions.
Your being drafted will also make it easier for us to recruit top notch defenders. It will show them that, even if the team is struggling, a stellar cornerback from Michigan gets drafted. Period.
As for Vincent Smith, he was one of the bright spots I was looking forward to next year. I hope he recovers quickly.
Has he been to see the Doctor in Midland yet? "You just mad cause you from Midland, you from Midland,right?!?!".... Texas.........Boobie Miles...... never mind.
Damnit!!!
That ACL thing, not good.
It's not as though we weren't expecting this as a real possibility ALL YEAR LONG. However, after the OSU game, he hinted that he "may" come back but he was still going to check on his NFL status. What we heard was that he "was coming back." That is not what he said. When you dangle big dollars in front of a kid who has a real possibility to get it, and when in the back of his mind he knows that he has been playing injured for most of his time here, his leaning for the draft is a strong probablilty. In the ideal world, he would stay for his senior season, improve his game, help his team, improve his draft status and complete his education. The ideal world and the real world can be two different things.
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Your exactly right we've seen this all year long.
Just to point out fella's, the whole 5th, 6th, 7th round thing for Warren is ridiculous. Mel Kiper fairly recently called him the second best corner in the draft (should he declare) behind Joe Haden of Florida.
There are always teams looking for CB's, especially guys with the potential to be #1's in the NFL, which Warren clearly has. The only issue with him potentially should he come out is speed. There's little to no chance he goes later than round 3, with the end of round 1/top of round 2 being a good possibility, and if he gets a grade anywhere between rounds 1-3, I'd say he's gone.
So basically, he's probably gone.
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Vomit. Shit.
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Can you start keeping certain information from us in order to improve troop morale? Right now, I'm near a ledge.
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I am happy for Warren. I can't imagine his draft status going up much with another year at Michigan, no matter how much I want him to stay.
Thanks for being a dependable DB Mr. Warren.
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how much of this is posturing so that the NFL people take him seriously and give him a good rating and/or draft him higher? It probably wouldn't sound too good to say "meh, I don't really care about the NFL." I certainly wouldn't expect to get much attention if I were non-committal.
-Zach
The V. Smith injury is heartbreaking. I was really expecting big things out of him next year.
"what the hell is wrong with u?" "me? Nothing! you on the other hand, have a bullet inside of you!"
Heartbreaking, but not surprising. Between McGuffie and Vincent Smith, I'm thinking that runningbacks smaller than I am will not have long careers going against Big 10 competition.
(This is not to say that big runningbacks can't get hurt as well, obviously. Exhibits A-Z = Brandon Minor).
I'm not sure I see the connection between size and likelihood of tearing an ACL. I agree about McGuffie, he probably wasn't physically prepared for Big 10 football and he got knocked around and suffered multiple concussions. His size, or lack thereof, was probably a significant factor.
V Smith's injury, a torn ACL, has absolutely nothing to do with his size. Even if there is some correlation between lack of size and certain types of injuries, it wouldn't apply to a torn ACL, IME.
I'm not a doctor, I just play one on internet message boards. You may be right that size has nothing to do with a torn ACL -- I guess the question is whether the injury was caused as a result of contact, or of him just planting his foot wrong (which could happen to anyone). When a 5'6 160 pound kid suffers a devastating injury in his first major college action, my first reaction is to assume size was a factor, but I could be wrong.
but I have no answer to the question as to whether size played a role in his injury. There is a big difference between he and Sam McGuffie though. McGuffie was not a small RB, he was somewhere near 5'11" and 190 lbs. His problem was his running style. Smith is like 5'6".
Again, I don't know if size played a role for Smith, but the two aren't really that similar.
I actually am one (a doctor, not that it matters), but ligament injuries don't really have anything to do with size, and most of the ones I've seen weren't contact related, just planting on it wrong and bad luck. (Except Willis McGahee's. That was just gnarly.)
a chicken or a goat or a virgin or something?
That's what we use 'em for.
Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?
I agree, but would never have anticipated such a suggestion given your avatar.......GET OVER HERE!
Maybe he should just replace his avatar with this.
After the early Bball start, and news like this it might be, yet so unfortunately, time to take a short hiatus from reading and talking about about M sports....
Maybe we really won't know until the NFL Combine where Donovan really stacks up. Perhap he has the necessary tools to be a great lockdown corner?
Look at Morgan Trent. He made the Bengals as a 6th rounder, and I don't believe he even earned honorable mention in the Big Ten. So we are just speculating.
I am sad, but life goes on. I wish you well, Donovan. Good luck, amigo.
with RR's face on it, and the owner has a big box of needles. The doll resembles a pincushion at the moment.
I was going to write almost the same thing. Who knew that the entire state of WVa could so successfully practice voodoo.
And did you know that Will Campbell is no longer considering Michigan!!!! Just sayin'.
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How could our D next year be that much worse than it was this year? The only hope our D has is a major improvement on our offense. We needed to average 35+ a game this year to pull a winning record. Losing Warren does nothing to change that. Our performance next year will 100% be on the shoulders of the offense.
V. Smith hurts but another year for T. Forcier and the O'Line means we probably will be ok with RB corps we have now sans V. Smith.
I have a good feeling about our O next year. We lost some very close games to the top teams in the B10 this year.
Has anyone else noticed that there were a ton of injuries this year? I think this a result of their strength and conditioning program. I've heard that Barwis overworks the players, and does not give them enough time for their bodies to rest. Alot of his workouts resemble things you would see at boot camp. They need to go back to the "old school" style of lifting and conditioning in my opinion.
Right, becuase under the old training system, our running backs never got hurt. Carlos Brown and Brandon Minor were injury plagued long before Barwis arrived on campus. Mike Hart spent his entire senior year (and much of his junior year) nursing an ankle injury.
You post is entirely uninformed. Are you aware that virtually every NFL team's strength and conditioning program is similar to Barwis' training regimin, and that the "old school" style of training has been almost entirely replaced. It is that old style of lifting that had our players so slow and fat that almost any team with a mobile quarterback toasted us offensively for much of the few years leading up to RR's arrival.
Yes, we need to have larger linemen, and we will once we recruit some massive guys over the next few years, but having massive linemen are too slow to keep up and who get winded in the 4th quarter doesn't serve any purpose.
yeah lets get go back to pizza and donut diet of the HIT program....That was effective for Benedict Boren.
...but this makes no sense. A torn ACL on V. Smith and a broken foor on D. Molk have zero to do with "excess" conditioning. The injuries you might see from that we were actually pretty low from what I can see. There were not a lot of guys missing games here and there with muscle issues etc.
We were young - that was our problem and it will be eliminated.
obvious troll. just joined today.
Should we blame conditioning for...
Torn ACLs? (Molk, V. Smith)
Broken feet? (Molk)
Concussions? (Brown)
Busted shoulder joints? (Forcier)
Sprained ankles? (Hemingway, Minor)
Maybe, MAYBE if the team was coming down with a rash of sprained hamstrings, back spasms, and torn biceps, you might have an argument. Maybe.
Go sit down.
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