Vicious Electronic Questioning: Penn State Comment Count

Seth

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For several years I've been publishing an HTTV-like thing with the Penn State bloggers. Last year I did a VEQ with PSU blogging capo emeritus Mike Pettigano, and we had BSD managing editor Cari Greene on MGoRadio this week. The third editor of our book is Jared Slanina (@Jared_BSD), whom I saved for this.

Part I (where I answer their questions) is on Black Shoe Diaries.

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1. Your offense is listed as "Pro-Style." Since that hasn't had any meaning for 10 years, what is it really? Under center or shotgun? Passing spread? Dink and dunk and screen? Play-action? Grab bag? A million plays or a few good ones?

I would say "grab bag" is the best description. For most of the season they over-relied on screens and short outs, which isn't really a great fit for Hackenberg and allowed defenses to load up the box and wreak havoc on our struggling offensive line. The offense started rolling during a short stretch once the staff realized the effectiveness of the vertical passing game with a pocket passer with a strong arm and a group of tall and speedy receivers.

However, against Northwestern they reverted back to the conservative style where they basically just ran Barkley and threw short passes to him, and hoped he could beat the Wildcats all by himself. Once again, the offense struggled to find much a rhythm. Using history as a guide, Penn State might again run a conservative offense that plays right into Michigan's strengths. It's almost as if the whole gameplan against a team with a stout defense is hope against hope that Barkley produces a couple big scoring plays and the defense holds the opponent to single digits.

Obviously, it hasn't been terribly effective against the likes of Ohio State, Northwestern and Temple, and certainly won't put the team in a good position to pull off upsets against Michigan or Michigan State in the final two weeks of the regular season.

2. So, how's the OL cleanup going? Are you still starting a recycling bin or has he been passed by a flesh and blood person yet?

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No no your blocks are THAT way! [Eric Upchurch]

Let's start with the good news: Penn State now has an experienced offensive line filled with actual human beings! Gone are the days where they relied on stop signs and scarecrows to slow down the pass rush. While the OL has gained valuable experience, they still are the weakest link on the team. It's still a young group, but the lack of progress since the start of 2014 is disturbing. They are not quite the dumpster fire they were a season ago where they allowed the most sacks in the history of the Big Ten, but they have a long way to go before being a serious contender in the East. My feeling is that the Wolverines banged up DL will still be able to dominate Penn State's OL, allowing Michigan to control the game from start to finish.

[After THE JUMP: Dae'sean Hamilton is gonna die]

3. I recall there was some dodgy clock management. Has Franklin hired a 14-year-old who does nothing but play Madden to fix that or is it a recurring issue?

At the end of the 2014 season, I put together "BSD Awards" post that gave a variety of accolades for the year. The "Most Bizarre Moment" went to the closing moments of the Michigan game. As you likely recall, Penn State didn't bother calling timeouts toward the end to give them time for a final drive. When they finally used their first timeout, it was after 20-plus seconds ran off the clock after the play. It was almost like the staff were under the impression there was eight minutes left in the game and then had an "OH SHIT!" moment when they looked up at the scoreboard.

Suffice to say, not much has changed in this regard. Penn State has regularly refused to call timeouts at ends of games when the opponent is clearly in scoring range. Franklin took plenty of heat after the lack of timeouts allowed Northwestern to take the lead with a few seconds remaining, rather than allowing the offense 1-2 minutes to work with at the end of the game.

4. Jordan Lucas was wearing Nyeem Wartman-White's number. Now he's injured too. Is there a curse? If so, who's going to wear it next?

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Screen merchant Dae'sean Hamilton will be matched against Michigan's #5, in case wearing that number for Penn State isn't a curse. [Bryan Fuller]

Well, DaeSean Hamilton wears number five as well, so apparently the curse is confined to the defensive side of the ball.

5. How is PSU adjusting without Lucas? Is it a big drop-off to Malik Golden? Is Allen going to take on Jordan's role or is he locked in as the deep guy?

Lucas is an outstanding all-around player, and has always done well in coverage, even against some of the Big Ten's best receivers, and is a vicious hitter with an excellent nose for the ball. However, I'm not expecting a huge drop-off for two reasons: for one, Franklin is very tight-lipped with injury news and I suspect Lucas hasn't been playing near 100 percent for the majority of the season. Secondly, backups Malik Golden and Troy Apke have each done very well in relief duty throughout the year. Golden doesn't jump off the screen, but does well in coverage and is very active and always close to the action. Because of the experience of Golden and Apke, I expect Allen to stay put and Golden to slide into Lucas' role.

6. How's Bell? How is he used?

Brandon Bell is my favorite player on the current team. He's an athletic and punishing linebacker with infectious enthusiasm. He has an obvious love for the game that makes him a joy to watch. Bell flies all over the field, and between his size, style of play and donning the honorary number 11 jersey, looks an awful lot like Lavar Arrington. He excels in blitzing situations and often comes off the edge at the last second. He is definitely someone who can wreak some havoc on Saturday by creating a timely turnover, either by forcing a fumble with a timely hit to Rudock, or forcing him into a poor decision with his arm.

7. Where do you find Carl Nassibs?

Carl Nassib is one of the best stories in college football this season. He entered Penn State as an undersized walk-on and gradually worked his way up the depth chart. As a junior he saw sporadic action and finished with seven tackles on the season. Although the coaches and players spoke very highly of him throughout the summer, most fans assumed he would be usurped as a start by one of the more highly-recruited underclassmen a few weeks into the season. His first career start, on any level, was in week one against Temple. Now he leads the nation in sacks and is on the shortlist for several major awards, including the Lombardi and Nagurski trophies. He's another player who can make things mighty difficult for Rudock on Saturday

8. Okay—don't laugh—but say, just hypothetically, if a Michigan running back was to actually find and decide to run through a hole in the defensive line, how are Cabinda and Reeder at tracking, getting off blocks, tackling?

Cabinda and Reeder are future stars as Linebacker U., but do have their moments when their youth is quite obvious. Both have played tremendous in their first year as starters, but do find themselves out of position from time to time. Penn State's run defense isn't quite as good as last season, when they were ranked number one in the nation for a majority of the season, but is still quite good, especially between the tackles. They have failed to guard the perimeter at times, so Michigan's best bet is to stretch it outside rather than pounding Smith up the middle for the majority of the game.

9. Which of these expected matchups terrifies you the most: Haley vs. Chesson, Darboh vs Williams, Jordan Lucas's replacement v. Butt, or Marcus Allen vs tackling Peppers in space?

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I'll take Butt versus a 5'9 corner for 500, Alex. [Bryan Fuller]

All of them scare me in a way because the talent on Michigan's side. Darboh and Butt know how to get open and have excellent hands, and Chesson has really taken it to a new level the past few weeks. On the other hand, while the members of Penn State's secondary might not jump off the screen, they form the number two pass defense in the nation. Each know how to do their job and commit very few mental mistakes. The one thing that will have me holding my breath is any time Peppers has the ball in his hands. I don't care if Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson in their primes are covering him, Peppers is a very special player who can create major yardage any time he gets his hands on the ball.

10. Flip that: which matchup (Godwin/Lewis, Hamilton/Clark, TEs vs safeties, or Barkley vs our LBs) should Michigan be most worried about?

Godwin has been exceptional all season, but I have a feeling Jourdan Lewis will be glued to him all afternoon. If Lewis focuses solely on Godwin, expect DaeSean Hamilton and Geno Lewis to do some damage. Hamilton does an excellent job of finding soft spots in the defense and catches everything thrown his way. Lewis does not get nearly as many looks as he should, but every time he gets the chance, good things happen. He's a very physical receiver who you can lob the ball to and let him outmaneuver the opposing DB for a big gain.

14. WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE FAT KICKER?!?!? Also how are your special teams? Also also WHAT WERE YOU THINKING--BRING BACK THE FAT KICKER

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Is this the end of the Legend of Big Toe?

The special teams units have been pretty atrocious at times. The kick coverage has played well against some very good returners, but have also allowed two kickoff return touchdowns, including one against Northwestern that likely cost them a victory. Punting has been disastrous all season. Penn State has gone back-and-forth between two punters once again this season, and both have often greatly hurt Penn State in the field position battle. The return units have been much better than last season, including several big returns and near touchdowns.

The Joey Julius era might be over, especially with the top placekicker prospect coming to Happy Valley next season. [Ed: um…] Julius has a big leg, but struggled with consistency. Against Illinois, he had two early extra points blocked because of low kicks, and then had a kickoff sail out of bounds near the 20. Freshman Tyler Davis replaced him for the remainder of the game, and hasn't looked back.

15. What's up with the tight ends? Did you have like three really good ones? Who's this Wilkerson guy and why is he ahead of Carter, Breneman and Gesicki?

The tight end position has been a disappointment this season, to say the least. Breneman was expected to emerge as a major contributor, but injuries have sidetracked his career at Penn State. He's only made a couple brief appearances all season. Wilkerson is a utility player who lines up at tight end, fullback and H-back. He is more of a lead blocker and only has two receptions on the season (both coming against Army when Hackenberg actually had time to check down to him).

Gesicki possesses off-the-charts athletic ability but has been more of a liability on the field, having many passes bounce of his hands and committing some costly penalties. He has the tools to create mismatches and get open, but unfortunately can't do much once the ball is thrown his way. Carter is a bit of an enigma. he's battled injuries for most of his career, and doesn't see the field as often as he should. Neither Carter or Gesicki are effective blockers, leaving Penn State without a complete tight end on the roster.

Comments

NuclearLion

November 20th, 2015 at 1:56 PM ^

1. We run a lot of Cover/Tampa 2, some cover 4...We've also been known to go single high - man under. Shoop coaches them to be pretty flexible depending on the game situation...contrasts with Bradley, who seemed to be cover 3 or die.

2. DL does stunt quite a bit I feel like, a lot of T-E stunts in pass rushing situations. Don't think i've noticed any T-T stunts over the center, but I might have just missed it.

3. We don't tend to get to the edge a whole lot with our run game, particularly out of the backfield. They love to use a packaged play (like many people do these days) with brandon polk running jet sweep pre-snap motion. The QB can either hand off to the WR, give it off tackle to the back, or keep it to throw. It's been pretty successful (I think Polk is averaging like 10 ypc and this is basically the only play he runs the ball with), but like anything dries up if they go to the well too many times.

To directly answer your question, I don't think we run a lot of stretch zone, but Barkley has shown a fantastic ability to take absolute shit blocking on those inside runs and make magical things happen. The guy's accomplishments this season are pretty damn impressive given the (somewhat better, but still terrible) offensive line he's running behind. It'll be interesting to see what he's doing in, say, 2017, when we ought to have at least a B1G-average OL again. Hopefully he stays healthy.

uminks

November 20th, 2015 at 10:14 AM ^

If Rudock gets time to throw, Michigan will score some points. If Rudock is hurried or sacked a lot then bad things will happen. I worry about a low scoring game since one mistake could cause a loss!

pappawolv

November 20th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^

And I'm sure this arguement has been offered before but at the risk of getting shelled ...

The ease and flipancy in which Brian, Seth mock players at times for Michigan is odd.  Absolutely understand that players can perform poorly and rise and fall on the depth chart often throughout the season but Seth's mocking of the RB's especially on PSU's site is poor.  It's poor here too.  The reveiw of Bolden yesterday being summarized as "Bolden is bad" is in the same vain.

I think an incredible charity would be in the spring for these two to raise donations to actually play linebacker and running back in a full conctact scrimmage against Michigan.  I would contribute and would relish the UFR.  

Analyze, provide insight and editorialize - all fine and good.  Remember that reading about football and asking those who have played to help analyze is not the same as actually having played it at this level. Constantly offering yourself up to pretty serious injury on virtually every play has its character merits as well.

I venture that that S and/or B would take one shot from a OL and promptly void their bowels.  Finding a slight gap from your (on the field) perspective and running through it is much harder than a bird's eye view and saying "shoulda cut back".

Not saying that the analysis is incorrect  "had a bad game", "has struggled this year" seem more than fair.  "is bad" "cold never find a hole" etc is the domain of frustrated broadway performers turned musical critics.

FanNamedOzzy

November 20th, 2015 at 10:48 AM ^

Brain and Seth aren't "mocking" the players. They've been analyzing Michigan football players for years now, as well as other collegiate football players. If Bolden had a single bad game and "Bolden is bad" is thrown out there, then yeah it'd be a different story. But they've watched and analyzed more players than I think any of us had, and they know a good player from a bad one. The simple fact is that Bolden is not a good LB. Not good = bad. Does that mean he can't improve? Of course not. But sugarcoating it isn't the way to go.

Furthermore, these guys know what they're risking. They love the game and are willing to put their bodies on the line for the University and the team. It's not like they're being forced to do it...they WANT to do it, and they get a free education for their talents.

Lastly, bringing up the fact that Seth and Brian would get destroyed by large men in a college game is straight up dumb. I'm sure they know it, appreciate the effort the guys are giving, regardless of how well they are performing. How they would do as LBs has nothing to do with this at all.

What's the difference between "has struggled at this position for quite some time" and "is bad"? One is beating around the bush, the other is direct. This is a blog, not a hand-holding session.

pappawolv

November 20th, 2015 at 11:14 AM ^

Actually found Seth's response pretty damn solid.  Kudos.

Now I'm glad you personally reminded about what the players know and what they can take. My son plays on the team and I have a bit more insight into the feedback when the players hear this stuff.  

You would probably be first in line if Joe was signing autographs to get one from him.  He was obviously good enough to get a full ride and play pretty well at this level for a number of seasons now.  But yeah, he's bad.

FanNamedOzzy

November 20th, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^

I would gladly stand in line to get an autograph from Joe and have a conversation with the guy. I would do that because I respect him as a player and as a person. He's a leader of the defense and obviously a great athlete to receive a full-ride to Michigan. He's starting for a reason, and that reflects both to his ability and attitude towards the game. I have a ton of respect for him and don't mean to try and tear him down when I say those things.

But then again, who the fuck am I to say he's not performing, I'm just a random ass dude. So I do think Bolden has not been performing at a high level, but that's my opinion and at the end of the day it doesn't matter what I think.

(Didn't mean for that last paragraph to be sarcastic, though it might come across that way)

Reader71

November 20th, 2015 at 3:07 PM ^

The analysis isn't the problem, though. By and large, the site does a great job of it. The problem is they publish things like "Bolden is bad." To be honest, that grated with me a lot as well. There is nothing stopping the site from publishing, "Bolden is having a bad season." Your argument is going to be that they mean the same thing, and I agree. So, since this is a Michigan-centric blog, why not err on the side of tact with our own players?

GoBlueGladstone

November 20th, 2015 at 11:52 AM ^

Agreed. I think a good dash of levity on topical conversations is a good thing. You're welcome to your opinion and I respect that you are not a toady or slappy for the MGo gang (as I am), but they filter their criticisms through carefully constructed analysis with an eye for a good bit of humor.

I've NEVER seen a missive that is geniunely cruel or ad hominem but rather through a lense of critical satirical, subjective examination. In fact, they go our of their way to preface everything they have to say about a player with a respectful acknowledgement of the difficulty of being a student athlete who are under an enormous glare. That doesn't mean they cannot comment with colorful adjectives or analogies sprinkled with great pop references in evaluating the tape.

Go Blue!

Quailman

November 20th, 2015 at 10:51 AM ^

"You didnt play football so you don't know what you are saying when you write about it," is the "You didnt go to that school so you can't really root for that team" of logically bad arguments. 

Something tells me that Brian and Seth thinking that Player A playing poorly isn't because they themselves think they could do it better. 

By your logic, since you criticized them, should you have to write a blog for thousands to read in order to make that comment?

Or, since you possibly have never written about Football at this level before, should you get to comment at all?

Reader71

November 20th, 2015 at 3:12 PM ^

You just made that quote up, though. He didn't say that. What he said was the analysis is fine, but the way they flippantly dismiss a kid is not. You yourself typed, "Player A playing poorly". This is a perfect construction. Why didn't you say, "Player A is a bad player"? I'd imagine it is because the second one is kind of a shitty thing to say about a player on a team you cheer for, and an amateur to boot.

Seth

November 20th, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^

I find it disingenuous to use less descriptive terms for what I want to say about a player. I think it's fair for me to crticize things I'm confident about a guy's game, just as it's fair for you to criticize my writing. Where is it written that we can't criticize each other for our crafts?

Also how many times have I talked about De'Veon Smith's astounding pain tolerance? I've had the foot injury he's playing through and I couldn't walk on that. And then he was stood up by four Hoosiers so a fifth could come flying in to give him a headshot. And he came out of that just mad.

The great backs don't "see" holes; they intuitively feel them opening, the same way Gretzky could feel when his winger was coming open. Smith just doesn't have that. Whatever words we use to say it, it means the same thing. Better I think to use honest words than dance around it. PC has its place; it's never been this site's thing to expand it to football talk.

Trust me, there's an awful lot we see that doesn't get published.

Seth

November 20th, 2015 at 10:43 AM ^

Different kind of player entirely. It's hard to find a good comparison for Michigan because we haven't had that many tall, top-heavy 5-tech types who were that athletic (if you say Pat Massey I'll shoot you down). We've had big dudes, but they're usually in the mold of Wormley or RVB with a low center of gravity.

Closest comparison on this team is you could say Matt Godin is a very poor man's Nassib. Good burst, very hard to block when he shoots a gap, holds up well to TEs and OTs, but because he plays so high you don't want him going against guards and centers that much.

The other comparison is if you supersized Jake Ryan. Actually let's go with that: a 6'7/300 lb Jake Ryan is exactly what Nassib is.

VintageBlue

November 20th, 2015 at 11:08 AM ^

Penn State has faced two teams in the top 80 of Bill Connelly's Offensive S&P+ rankings.  One is Ohio State who crushed them.  The other is Indiana who played without Howard and Sudfeld.  Franklin's Penn State team feels a whole lot like either the '12 or '13 Hoke squad.  

That said, pass the Tums.

edit: Michigan has faced five teams ranked 63rd or better in that ranking

dragonchild

November 20th, 2015 at 11:33 AM ^

Michigan's offense isn't Ohio State or Indiana.  We beat Indiana by outscoring them, but they faced a vastly superior defense in that game.  Penn State's D-line might be overrated but it's not like we'll make that distinction matter.

What makes me nervous here is that Penn State's D attacks our weakness.  Rudock has good pocket presence but he's gun-shy so expect a lot of throwaways and 2-yard scrambles into their ILBs.  Smith is tough but he won't out-muscle their DTs and can't find a hole to save his life.  We probably won't execute Power very well which leaves us with the screen game as our bread-and-butter.

Not that their offense is in better shape.  Even our depleted D-line will slash past their O-line, they don't have the quickness or scheme to go sideways and Hack won't find many receivers open.  The only thing I'm nervous about is Barkley vs. Bolden.  Our safeties will probably be enlisted into preventing deep balls (Hack will probably bring his A-game) so whenever Barkley gets past our D-line he probably won't see anyone for about twenty yards.

The main advantage we have going into this game is Harbaugh.  If both defenses grind each others' offenses into a stalemate, Hack won't have a guy who can dial up RPS+3 plays to generate points when PSU really needs them.