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Brian May 9th, 2023 at 4:00 PM

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Hey folks, Wolverine Weekend is back at Grand Traverse Resort and Spa from June 9 – 11. The weekend includes:

  • Meet-and-greets with Donovan Edwards, Will Johnson, Colston Loveland and Junior Colson,
  • Dinner featuring John U. Bacon, Devin Gardner, Sam Webb and football players,
  • Golf Outing on The Wolverine, and
  • a Woodson Whiskey Tasting Event.

Great opportunity to get your Michigan on and support some NIL initiatives.

Harbaugh gonna Harbaugh. Pat Forde profiles Harbaugh, and his world champion dad status never wavers:

If Harbaugh hadn’t gone to Michigan and become a famous football player and coach, what skilled trade would he have undertaken?

“A lawnsman!” Harbaugh enthusiastically responds. “That’s what I do. Mowing the lawn is one of the great feelings I have in life.”

I don’t think this will work and I don’t think it should. Deion Sanders has detonated the Colorado roster:

Colorado recently updated its 2023 football roster. All of the names of players who are departing via the portal have been deleted. The revised roster lists 76 players: 12 returning scholarship players, 21 incoming transfers, 17 new freshmen and 26 walk-ons. Not listed are 17 more transfers who have verbally committed. …

A total of 53 scholarship players have left the program since Sanders was hired in December.

A large number of them were told to hit the bricks after spring practice, which is really doubling down on the idea that you can import a roster from whole cloth. Folks are skeptical:

“It is just absolutely unreasonable to think you can sign 25 players out of the spring transfer portal and make your team better,” the Big 12 DPP said.

There’s a reason the NFL sees far less in-season trade activity than any other major sport. In hockey, soccer, baseball, and basketball you can kind of just go play even if there’s some transition costs moving from system to system. In football one busted assignment is a touchdown. And we’ve seen transfer-heavy teams fail to live up to expectations. MSU, which recently aspired to become Portal U, seems to be cratering. Adding a few guys here and there to plug holes is reasonable. Getting a whole football team on closeout from TJ Maxx? Maybe not so much.

[After THE JUMP: how this makes me feel]

Jerk moves! It's 2023 so this feels like yellin' about World War 1, but I mean come on:

“He’s walking with me and said, ‘Hey buddy, you’re going to get cut today. I’m sorry to tell you this. I didn’t want you to hear it from Coach Prime. I wanted you to hear it from my mouth. I didn’t want to cut you, but we had to cut five offensive linemen, and you were the last one,’” Gray told The Athletic on Tuesday evening.

The most egregious one of these was still Calipari at Kentucky, who cut half the team when he could have waited a year. How you gonna tell me these aren't employees when they can be fired at will?

Matt Brown tackles this aspect of the purge on his not-a-substack. Sanders wasn't even releasing practice tape of the guys who left the portal until the coaching industry called him out on it.

Also in transfers. Waiver City is going to be shut down soon, it seems. Also from that article:

The NCAA has made it much tougher for underclassmen to gain immediate eligibility on their second transfer. In recent years, it was easy to get a waiver by citing no participation opportunity (NPO) at your previous school. That won’t work anymore. Obtaining that eligibility waiver now requires documented issues of mental health, assault, discrimination or disability.

You get the one transfer for free but hopping every year is now going to be met with sit-out years. That’s for the best. Taking the Frankie Collins high school model to college makes a mockery of the idea that you’re around to get a degree, and for all the bullshit the NCAA puts out the one thing I do think is valid is that one of the purposes of attending college on an athletic scholarship is to get a college degree. So this change is a good one as well:

Starting this year, the undergraduate transfers Sanders signs will have their financial aid guaranteed for their full five-year period of eligibility and count against Colorado’s 85-man scholarship limit until they graduate or go pro.

Get a transfer in and he bounces? He still counts against your cap. And while that cap is now a soft limit given NIL and whatnot, that's a reasonable brake to put on schools cycling through as many players as possible panning for gold.

Draft lookahead. Two Michigan players make Dane Brugler's 2024 mock first round. JJ McCarthy is 15th and Kris Jenkins is 22nd. I have a dollar that says Donovan Edwards shoots up over the course of this season. Running backs don't go high anymore but Edwards is the kind of hybrid threat that the league still likes one heckum.

 

Wouldn’t it be nice. A slight rumble from the NCAA hockey meetings a week or so back:

GRAND FORKS — The idea of playing NCAA regional games at home sites was raised again last week at the American Hockey Coaches Association convention in Naples, Fla.

Members of the National Collegiate Hockey Conference and the Big Ten were the primary supporters of the change.

Ah! Sense.

But like other times this idea has been raised in the past 10 years, there did not appear to be nearly enough consensus to make it happen, especially after a year in which attendance was strong at the regionals.

Those against the change have argued it's too big of an advantage to play at home.

This is idiotic. As of 2018, home teams in college hockey won 55% of their games. And that’s distorted by the fact that Lindenwood will play at Michigan but Michigan will never play at Lindenwood. This is more or less the same as it is in the NHL. But we’re talking about playoffs, right? Well, the extra juice in the building takes home NHL teams from a 54.6 winning percentage to a 55.4 winning percentage. That is statistical noise.

So, yes, there is some advantage to playing at home. But in every other sport in America we say that’s a good thing because the higher seed has earned it. If it was 65-35 or something maybe you could say it’s too much. 55-45? Come on. Also:

Supporters noted that some schools who are against home-site regionals award their conference's NCAA tournament automatic bid through league tournaments that are played entirely at home sites.

The regionals will stay the way they are because there are more teams like Union and Yale hoping to fluke their way into a national title than powers who would like to see the national tournament be something other than hockey plinko.

Also in things that would be good. From that same article:

Among the potential immediate rules adjustments:

1. Removing the ability to review goals for too many players on the ice. According to the rule book, a goal can be waived off if there's a "gained advantage" with the extra player, but there was ambiguity about what constitutes a "gained advantage."

2. Removing the ability for officials to review "any aspect" of a play when a coach challenges a call on the ice. It's possible the NCAA will only allow officials to look at the specific action coaches are challenging.

Please, baby Jesus, take away all coaches challenges. We need fewer majors for zaprudered head contact, fewer goals waved off for technicalities, and fewer opportunities for the Yost DJ to play—for some goddamned reason—the entire Shrek 2 soundtrack.

It would be funny. Michigan was apparently one of 59 schools to reach out to MSU transfer Keon Coleman. Do it just so the message boards all implode. Not that they won't anyway: some early win totals lines are out and MSU's is set at 4.5. At least you can sell your Tuck NFTs for a tidy profit?

 

Etc.: Do soccer managers matter? BCHL exits Hockey Canada, seemingly in an effort to be a Canadian USHL. A profile of incoming hockey transfer Josh Eernisse. Well, they did it. The stupidest take. Important Hawaii high school baseball field dimensions work.

Comments

805wolverine

May 9th, 2023 at 4:22 PM ^

I think Coach Prime's tactics are more of a one-time housecleaning than a permanent go-forward strategy, right?  I don't necessarily agree with the way he's handling this, but every new coach has some degree of a purge at the beginning.  I doubt he's going to run off half his team every year.

matty blue

May 9th, 2023 at 4:32 PM ^

lol.  of course he's going to do this every year.  the odds that deion sanders will suddenly become "here's the culture i'm going to create here, and i need guys willing to buy in" guy are so vanishingly small as to be non-existent.

as are the odds he remains the coach at colorado for the entire collegiate career of a single player he recruits out of high school.  or at his inevitable stop in the SEC, for that matter.  i'll eat a bug if he ever does.

Buy Bushwood

May 9th, 2023 at 4:38 PM ^

Some coaches are good at that.  I remember when Dennis Erickson built an awesome (awesome in that they crushed ND in a bowl game) at Oregon State with JUCOs and other transfers.  However, I don't think it's a sustainable model in college football.  Too much cohesion needed on a football team, especially with linemen, who take years to develop.  

ShadowStorm33

May 10th, 2023 at 12:02 PM ^

(awesome in that they crushed ND in a bowl game)

That was a glorious game to watch, a 41-9 Fiesta Bowl beatdown of an ND team having their best season in years (Returning to Glory!). Looking at the box score is even more delicious. Oregon St. outgained ND 446-155(!). ND had nearly 100 yards more punting than yards from scrimmage, and nearly had as many return yards as total yards. Probably the craziest stat is that Oregon St. set school and Fiesta Bowl records with 18 penalties for 174 yards (Oregon St. had more penalty yards than ND had total yards, let that sink in). Just think about how much worse the beatdown would have been if it was a normal game penalty-wise...

JBLPSYCHED

May 9th, 2023 at 5:18 PM ^

This is at least the main house cleaning; not much point in keeping guys around from a 1-11 team unless they truly stand out. Plus as Brian points out the transfer rules are changing, so it will be impractical to incite this much turnover going forward.

From my perspective he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by turning the whole team over now. Any improvement is a success, 4-6 wins is a major success, and more than that is a miracle. Meanwhile after next year he's got his guys there as a foundation and will keep adding recruits and transfers year after year.

Who knows how far he'll get this way but, again, what does he have to lose? Plus if he gets to ~10 wins or so in the next 3-4 years he'll get a big time job and be gone.

dragonchild

May 9th, 2023 at 5:45 PM ^

It’s kind of a scummy way to do it though, treating (ostensibly) students as disposable.

IIRC Harbaugh took over a 1-win team without this wholesale housecleaning bullshit and that largely unchanged roster went on to beat USC.

FWIW, buy-in goes both ways. Many transfers are already jumping Sanders’ ship.

JBLPSYCHED

May 9th, 2023 at 5:51 PM ^

There's a really good article by Andy Staples in The Athletic about this (paywalled): https://theathletic.com/4453524/2023/04/26/deion-sanders-colorado-transfer-nil-player-empowerment/

The gist is that now that players have more power/leverage than ever bc of NIL and recently liberal transfer rules...hence the players should recognize that if they are not performing as expected (or as needed) they may be cut loose.

I agree with you that it's not a great look to treat young men this way but at least Deion has been transparent about his intentions since he arrived. The scummy part was, as Brian pointed out, his reluctance to release old practice tape on outgoing players.

dragonchild

May 10th, 2023 at 8:05 AM ^

OK, as far as ethics I'll concede a program can do far worse, but I'm more saying I think this approach is doomed to failure.  So, "scummy" in the sense of, "why should I play for this jackass".  Again, buy-in works both ways.  Sure, you can snatch leverage back by cutting players in the mercenary era, but if that's what you care about, then that's what your program is about.  Like, that's your culture.

Which employer would you buy into; one that gives you a chance, or one that says "miss quota and you're fired"?  The endgame is that even if Sanders finds a diamond in the rough, that guy's gone too.  You can't treat people as disposable and then expect loyalty once things go your way (see: 95% of this country's employers).  But Sanders is gonna need people to stay, because Colorado doesn't have Ohio State's "just bring in another 5-star" recruiting.

Neither do we.  We beat Ohio State with players like Michael Barrett, obsolete VIPER, who stuck around and became a linebacker.  He's not a great player, but we fucking needed him.  Sanders is churning through players so fast, no way he's giving them time to develop.  A player without a position?  Sanders would've cut him.

It just doesn't look like a recipe for sustained success to me.

njvictor

May 9th, 2023 at 5:56 PM ^

From my perspective he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by turning the whole team over now. 

He has nothing to lose besides everyone pointing at him and saying "look, he's a selfish asshole who doesn't care about his players and only sees you for your utility to further his career"

matty blue

May 10th, 2023 at 9:09 AM ^

Plus if he gets to ~10 wins or so in the next 3-4 years he'll get a big time job and be gone.

he'll be gone in 3-4 years either way.  10 wins and auburn or mississippi or texas a&m will call him and he's gone.  4 wins a year and he's slinking off to tv or somewhere else, pointing fingers all the way. 

he's never lasted anywhere - player or coach - for more than 4 years.  he was a me-first player, he's a me-first coach, and has never shown the guts to stick out anything, ever.  this will be no different.

LeCheezus

May 10th, 2023 at 10:22 AM ^

I don't buy this concept that he needed to dump more than half the roster to make any improvement.  You see bad teams all the time make a notable step forward the next year - could be the previous year they were very young, everyone got playing time during the bad year, then they have a fairly experienced team the next year.  Maybe they had injuries at key positions - note that guys play through injuries all the time so this doesn't necessarily mean a player was out, just not playing as well as they could have.  Could have had some bad turnover luck. 

Isn't Sanders' kid playing QB this year?  Is he not far more likely to take a career limiting beating in the pocket with 5 hodgepodge linemen who have never played a game together?  Almost everyone here saw what happened to Devin Gardner - I'll bet you this year's Colorado line is worse than those Michigan ones.

What data point are we using to say dumping 53 players (or whatever) in one offseason has ever worked?  This whole "it can't get much worse" line is laughable.  It can always get worse. 

njvictor

May 9th, 2023 at 5:54 PM ^

I think Coach Prime's tactics are more of a one-time housecleaning than a permanent go-forward strategy, right? 

Maybe, but most the guys he's bringing in aren't exactly world beaters either. They're mostly randos who never sniffed the field at their old schools. I guess the fact that they're coming from P5 schools means they're upgrades? I could very well see him doing this again next year

matty blue

May 10th, 2023 at 9:14 AM ^

the reason deion seems like such a good fit as a coach in this era is simple - deion has never, not once in his professional life, shown any inclination to gut it out and work through adversity.  he cuts and runs every damn time it happens.

it's an era of shortcuts, so of COURSE deion digs it.  that's who he is.

shoes

May 10th, 2023 at 10:03 AM ^

Deion is new to big time coaching, but he isn't young. I'll be amazed if he becomes one of the top coaches in the game. A top program that doesn't need an immediate injection of media attention to become relevant, i.e. any of the top programs, isn't going to go in his direction.

ST3

May 9th, 2023 at 7:31 PM ^

I agree with you and think the whole, "running backs don't go high anymore," is overblown. There are 22 positions in football and 32 first round draft picks. On average, there will be 1.45 picks per position in the first round. Now, when you add in the fact that there is specialization and certain positions are more valuable (QB, LT, etc.) it shouldn't be surprising that we see 1 or 2 RBs go in the first round like we did this year.

The Lions were picking for highest VORP (value over replacement player,) not best player available. So, to quantify this, say there was a 95 draft grade available at LT, but they feel they already have a 92. VORP = 3. But at running back, maybe they had Gibbs as a 93, but Swift was only an 85 (they ended up trading him for a 4th round pick.) Even though Gibbs may have a lower overall rating than other picks, if his VORP is 8 and that's the highest on your board, you take him. They are serious about making the playoffs and making some noise in the playoffs. I'm all in. Let's go.

DoubleB

May 9th, 2023 at 9:07 PM ^

But it's quite easy to find a valuable running back later in the draft. 

Just look at the NFC North top RBs from last year:

Aaron Jones--5th round

Jamaal Williams--4th round

Dalvin Cook--2nd round

David Montgomery--3rd round

Unless they think Gibbs was top 3 or 4 on their board and an all-timer (and maybe they did/do), it was a poor use of draft capital.

 

 

bighouseinmate

May 10th, 2023 at 7:37 AM ^

While it is easy to find a valuable rb later in the draft, those are typically the run of the mill running backs that are virtually interchangeable. In that sense, if that is all a team is looking for then it makes sense to wait until later. 
 

Gibbs isn’t that, though, and his versatility is what makes him a higher value than other rbs. If that versatility is what the Detroit coaches and front office believe will make their offense not just tops in the nfc north, but top 2-3 in the nfc, as well as get their team as a whole on the level of a true Super Bowl contender, it’s a no brainer to take him where they did, even if everyone thinks it’s a huge reach. 
 

And, imo, I think Gibbs will be up being the one if the most valuable offensive players in this past draft, not just the best rb. 

alum96

May 10th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^

Pachecho was a 7nd rounder and displaced a "Gibbs clone" in Edwards-Helaire who was considered valuable due to his catching ability. 

Numerous examples.  Gibbs needs to be an All Pro to use a 1st rounder on him.   And even then the jury is out on it - look at the running backs on the last 10 super bowl winners; not high draft capital picks. How many Titans SB victories with Henry?  How many super bowl wins did AP lead Minnesota to?  And they didn't play for awful teams - they played on very solid to really good teams.

King Tot

May 10th, 2023 at 9:32 AM ^

Has it not been discussed at length on this board that part of U of M's success has been going against the passing trend? Why is it insane when the Lions, who under Holmes have shown good decision making, to do the same? It is clear they want to run the ball and that they want a lightning back and swift is often unavailable. The people complaining about this always feel like bros who play too much Madden and think that qualifies them to run a team.

LeCheezus

May 10th, 2023 at 3:29 PM ^

In that example, the success is created by having a highly diverse running game with NFL O Linemen and 2 or 3 Tight Ends.  This creates an advantage when the rest of CFB has basically moved to a 4-2-5 base (or generally lifts a LB for a Nickel on any type of passing down) - most teams don't even have the personnel to match up to the kind of beef UM is putting on the field.

I'm not sure how that is the same as the Lions taking a RB in the first round.  What advantage does that create?  Gibbs may be that diverse type of RB that NFL teams love, but he's hardly the only one.

UofM Die Hard …

May 9th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^

Wow, I agree with something the NCAA did.  The new transfer rules for undergrads is...dare I say...very good?  

Never thought I would type that.   Much needed rule change

Blue Vet

May 9th, 2023 at 7:09 PM ^

"Hey folks, Wolverine Weekend is back at Grand Traverse Resort and Spa from June 9 – 11. The weekend includes:

  • Meet-and-greets with Donovan Edwards, Will Johnson, Colston Loveland and Junior Colson,
  • Dinner featuring John U. Bacon, Devin Gardner, Sam Webb and football players,
  • Golf Outing on The Wolverine, and
  • a Woodson Whiskey Tasting Event"

 

WOW! I'm sure this is an annual thing but it never hit my radar before. It's so cool that I'm tempted to cancel my plans just to attend.

Seth

May 9th, 2023 at 9:16 PM ^

The major hockey conferences (Big Ten, NCHC, CCHA if they're interested?) should start their own tournament and count only games against each other for making it. Big Ten has room if BC and BU want to come along.

  • 8 teams
  • Pick your poison seeding*
  • Best of 3. Seeds 1 and 2 get home ice for all of 1st round, all other series are home-home-away format.

* Meaning the top overall seed chooses which team of the bottom 4 they play, then the 2nd overall seed chooses, etc. Reseed after every round. Being a top 4 seed guarantees you home in the 1st round.

bronxblue

May 9th, 2023 at 9:25 PM ^

Like the new transfer rules - give an opportunity to switch if you can show actual issues with your current school but fewer dubious "bad vibes" transfers.

I do wonder what Sanders will be like this year when the media isn't exclusively fawning over him.  He'll talk up patience and blame the last staff but CU is a multi-year rebuild (at best) and for all the talk about him being able to pull in elite skill position talent (which we've yet to see sustained) his team seems woefully unprepared on either line and that's how you build sustained success.

lhglrkwg

May 10th, 2023 at 6:45 AM ^

Well, nice to see the NCHC is with us at least. I fully expected it to be "Big Ten proposes home site regionals; rest of D1 throws tomatoes at them". Not too surprising that all of the northeast is totally cool with the current format since their teams can cross their fingers and often get local regionals regardless of their seed. Must be nice!

The whole system is lunacy and I find myself wanting to punch my hand through my laptop every time someone bemoans how its uNfAiR to do home site regionals in hockey because they're lying through their teeth because all these schools actually favor the neutral site regional because they know it's more random and then some school like Yale gets to be national champions sometimes. Spare me this idea that people absolutely cannot win road games when 1) your school wins road games all season and 2) we do home site regionals for a zillion other sports, including D1 hockey conference tournaments...

I really can't stand the D1 hockey community at times. Just seemingly this endless pursuit of making sure the big names can't get too far ahead and this belief that Niagara should have the exact same chance of winning it all as Wisconsin because it's largely tiny schools hoping to keep the big schools in check

ex dx dy

May 10th, 2023 at 10:07 AM ^

In addition to small schools hoping for more randomness, there is a logistical element to this as well, which is that many school's home arenas are used for a lot more than just the school's men's hockey team, and blocking out dates for regionals that they may or may not actually get at the end of the season can be a significant burden.

I think any one of these issues (parity, eastern teams having no problem with the current system, logistics) would be enough to be overcome, but the combination is probably what's keeping the status quo.

lhglrkwg

May 10th, 2023 at 1:16 PM ^

I often hear the counter that the arenas are used for other events but I dont often hear about specifics. I don't doubt it's true, but I do think for many of these schools where hockey is the #1 sport that you can bump people for a single weekend of hockey. One time I heard a protest about I think  Wisconsin needing to host the high school wrestling championships. That kind of thing just needs to get bumped. Sorry. If you don't want to risk being bumped, don't schedule your event for regional weekend. It's high school wrestling.

I mean, the women's basketball tournament does opening rounds on campus sites and those are absolutely multi-purpose arenas. If they can do it, hockey can too.

Alton

May 10th, 2023 at 1:18 PM ^

I am going to say this is not a real concern.  (1) Teams are able to host conference playoffs in every single conference without any conflicts, and (2) As far as I can see, all 16 NCAA playoff teams had empty arenas on the day of the regional, or they were hosting easily cancelled things like kids free skate.

Also, women's hockey has first round games at home arenas and never has run into a conflict.  Not to mention Division III hockey, where both men and women have their first round on home ice. No, the "arena unavailability" argument that you sometimes hear just doesn't hold water.

A2Photonut

May 10th, 2023 at 5:58 PM ^

If they actually had regionals in our area on occasion they might get some support from the B1G. Pittsburgh is not regional for 90% of the B1G. How about Detroit or Columbus or Chicago being regional sites on occasion, those are much more driveable for our conference. Ohh, but then the east coast people would have to do some traveling, can't have that.