Unverified Voracity With Expensive Jacket
Mike Cox is pretty. A reader who's way more familiar with the facial features of fifth-string running backs than even I am was taken aback by a Bivouac newsletter featuring a fellow who appears to be Mike Cox:
Cox's mgoblue mug shot:
That's the same dude, right?
Extremely important CORRECTION: The "death touch" cartoon referenced in the Monday column was not GI Joe but Batman: The Animated Series. A helpful reader provides details:
Brian,
I believe this was the animated series of Batman. I very clearly remember an episode of this, but I think there was only one real "death touch", which Batman was able to find by feeling up the bad guy's sparring dummy. He then confronts the guy who hits him there!(!). BUT of course Batman is too smart for that and had armored that spot so he wouldn't die, and then pwns the fool.
Craig Flemingloss '07
I now remember this clear as day. Fools at the Ohio State game are going to get a swift jab that's a one-way ticket to hell. Or they're just going to get poked in the neck. 50-50.
CYA, chanter of CYA. I noticed this during the portion of the Saturday Miami game I didn't spend crossly drinking at home:
I was at the game for about 10 minutes, when after Miami (Ohio)’s first penalty, I participated in what has come to be known as the ‘C-Ya’ chant. …
Like usual, I said the same chant tons of times Friday night with thousands of other fans and nothing happened.
Saturday night, I got kicked out. Not cool, dude.
Two or three others in the immediate vicinity of one cranky usher also got the boot over the course of the game. I didn't see the guy the next section over executing similar justice, so I assume that these are the actions of one guy who's mad as hell and isn't going to take it anymore, not a Yost-wide thrust.
The uneven enforcement is annoying and will do nothing to stem the tide of that chant. That said, Michigan's been trying to erase or ease the cheer since I started attending games at Yost 11 years ago. In the long-long ago, Red Berenson even brought his adorable five-year old grandchild onto the ice to personally plead the student section to stop; no one did. They just added a sarcastic-seeming "we love you, Red" at the end of the thing. I thought that was pretty disgraceful: the only reason Yost is what it is today is Berenson, so if he wants you to stop doing something you should do it no questions asked.
Mostly, the chant's not clever. It's just a string of stuff that gets progressively further over the line every time something gets added. The things that used to get tacked on, like "Wildfong" in honor of a particularly annoying opponent or "Boren" for obvious reasons, are lost to history, replaced with generic swearing. I have been known to curse like a sailor from time to time; this is not mounting a high horse about vulgarity. The CYA chant is boring and embarrassing in the format currently served at Yost. It's not something worth fighting for when Red Berenson, who should be your God, wants it dead.
If the university actually wants traction on this, they should provide a carrot and stick to the entire student section in the form of ticket prices: higher if they continue, lower if they stop. Randomly tossing chickens* out of the game is just going to shame the Daily's editors even more than their humiliating defeat at the hands at a bunch of socially maladjusted engineers from the Every Three Weekly last weekend. It's not going to help, it's going to instill the Fight For Your Right To Party mentality that I saw after the Children of Red incident. The only thing that will work is a naked display of aggression on the part of the university. Either drop it or drop the bomb.
*(Seriously:
I will admit that I stood out from the other Children of Yost. I may or may not have had a megaphone. And I may or may not have been, ahem, dressed up — if you went to the game, you might have seen a six-foot chicken standing against the glass in section 18.
)
On a similar topic. I haven't ever heard Berenson tear his team a new orifice like he did in the aftermath of this weekend's pantsing at the hands of Miami. After the Redhawks scored to go up 4-1 on Saturday, the team started gooning at an alarming rate:
"I'm embarrassed," Berenson said. "We played like a bunch of spoiled brats, and we've gotta suck it up. When you're getting beat, you just keep working hard for the team. You don't take it out on the other team and take stupid penalties that are going to hurt your team even further. That's not the way we play hockey, and this team will learn that."
I wonder if this embarrassment extends to Tristin Llewellyn, whose spot on the depth chart opposite Chris Summers on what you assume is the #1 defensive pairing makes no sense to me. Llewellyn has been a dumb penalty factory ever since he arrived and makes a ton of chance-generating defensive mistakes. Putting him on the ice against top lines is asking for it; I don't get Berenson's faith in the guy when Kampfer is available.
On ice, but only metaphorically. Interesting bit from an AnnArbor.com piece on the freshmen getting redshirted:
Michigan has played 10 of 21 true freshmen this year, though linebacker Brandin Hawthorne has not seen the field since September and is in position to get his redshirt back.
…if Michigan has held him out because he is "injured," which I'm betting is the case. Michigan pulled medical redshirts for Adam Patterson, Junior Hemingway, and Kenny Demens last year and only Hemingway had injuries that were known to the public.
Mike Jones and Vlad Emilien continue to play on special teams but not on the defense, frustratingly, though I can understand why Emilien was put on the field given the situation at safety. Anything that can potentially get him ready sooner is more valuable than a hypothetical fifth year given Michigan's situation at the position.
The article also expands upon something Tim touched on in his press conference recap:
Rodriguez singled out cornerback J.T. Turner, safety Thomas Gordon and receivers Jeremy Gallon and Cam Gordon when asked what freshmen currently redshirting have caught his eye. He also said Michigan has "some really talented young offensive lineman" in Taylor Lewan, Quinton Washington and Michael Schofield.
I am terribly pleased that Gordon is one of the guys mentioned, just because of his position and his low recruiting profile. Gallon has a nice two-year gap between himself and Odoms now; if he lives up the recruiting hype Michigan should have a nice one-two punch at slot until Roundtree graduates. And one of the tackles—probably Lewan—stepping forward to claim a starting spot would be… well, probably not great. Next year's line is probably going to be something like Omameh-Schilling-Molk-Barnum-Dorrestein/Huyge, with Barnum potentially replaced by whoever's not the RT if he can't hack it yet. If one of the tackles is breaking through as a redshirt freshman that's probably a negative.
Advertisin' note. The M-Den, which is fantastic in all ways that an entity can be, has a holiday promotion running: orders over $100 come with a ten-dollar gift card.
Vote of confidence. Rote:
"He's not going anyplace," Martin said. "Rich is an outstanding coach. There is no question he's got my total support. I think the world of that guy. Is he perfect in every respect? Nobody is. But he works hard. He'll get it right."
Honey, I'm the AD. In the vein of "Let's FOIA 30-year-old grade records" and "Michigan coaches have loans from a bank the AD founded": Martin's embarrassment that was on all the premium sites yesterday afternoon appears to be shoving past some clueless DPS workers who don't know what the AD looks like. This never happens on sailboats. That's probably why he's retiring.
To me this is more interesting as an information-on-the-internet problem: I got a couple of freaked-out emails because premium sites were dropping dark hints about an "embarrassment" that was about to come out about Bill Martin. That embarrassment is stating "Honey, I'm the AD" and gently pushing someone out of his path. If anyone on the premium sites had just said that, or if the information was not locked behind a paywall and thus subject to wild speculation by people outside of it, the minor panic would not have happened. The perpetual non-information being purveyed on subscriber message boards is annoying both as a recipient and a competitor. My favorite part is when moderators elsewhere say "as we've been telling you for weeks (in one-way ciphered Navajo)" after this site says something newsworthy in explicit detail. You'll note that if this site has information it just tells you what the information is and the context it was received in.
Example! I've received some solid information that suggests Fred Jackson is probably going to move on after the season by his own choice. This should not affect the status of his son's commitment; Jackson's probably going to head to the NFL.
Given my opinion of how important a running backs coach is—not very—I don't think this is a big deal and hope the replacement is one of those young, energetic recruiter types. The first guy who leaps to mind is Ty Wheatley, now on Ron English's staff at EMU. With all the Rodriguez stuff—and the rumors as to where some of it is sourced—that may not be an option.
Etc.: Thanks to BWS I spent 20 minutes yesterday watching some guy play impossible Mario levels. Craig Roh's dad says recruits and their parents have the internet too. Big Ten Tour hits Michigan, runs into a guy who looks like Scott Steiner but says he's Hulk Hogan. Side note: I am 100% sure that I saw Scott Steiner wandering around before a game last year.




I agree that Jackson leaving isn't a big deal in the sense of him being the running backs' coach but what about his loss recruiting? This guy can somehow get talent from across the nation in non-RB positions (didn't he get Warren, Carvin Johnson, Roh, etc?). Please tell me I'm wrong and he isn't the stud recruiting guru I think he is.
I'm going to go ahead and take the possible negbang here but I consider myself an M grad albeit U of M-D. I've never been fortunate enough to go to a game at Yost. What is the actual "Cya" chant. I don't recall getting all of it in the M Games i've seen at a Joe for the CCHA.
Back when I was a student, the chant was just "C-Ya!...Asshole!"
I would love for the chant to go back to it's roots. It was simple, concise and effective.
I also enjoyed..."Come on Tamer! Get out there and fucking hit somebody!" That is my all-time favorite. Actually, I only heard that one once, and the guy was really drunk. Good times!
The deal with the CYA chant reminds me of the athletic department trying to shut down the "you suck" chant after third down stops. The athletic department actually threatened to make the marching band stop playing Temptation to try and put an end to this. I'm not sure they will ever be successful in stopping the chant, but I do know that fans will RAGE if the band stops playing T.
Going without temptation would suck but as a student in the student section I HATE the "you suck" chant. It's so...not creative to say the least.
Yeah I feel the same way. This is Michigan, we should be able to do better.
Tate The Great
Just a quick word of thanks for sharing the path to "Impossible Super Mario Levels" Brian. It made me laugh so hard that I had tears...I watched the whole 20 minutes...
Go Blue!
is the fucking man. The football and hockey team need some of his steroids.
It is awesome to hear that Justin Turner and Thomas Gordon are doing well. Given the way the secondary is playing this year we need all the help we can get.
I remember a Michigan State hockey player named Hirth got suspended for doing the same thing for his parents athletic apparel company catalog back in the 90's.
Maybe they have changed the rule since then.
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I think if he's uncredited and they aren't like BLAM LOOK AT THIS MICHIGAN FOOTBALL PLAYER they can get by. I think the Hirth thing was because they ID'd him. They really can't stop a player from working on the side.
Maybe if they said "cocksuckerrrrr" as fast as they do "asshole prick cheater bitch" it would be less of a bleepable offense.
Either that or replace it with "Danny Hope". Same difference.
Michigan's strategy for beating Ohio State? It's simple: We win and they lose.
And that was mainly because I was a freshman and didn't know there was a big issue with it. What pissed me off is that everybody in my section was doing it and I was the only one to get warned, and that usher stared me down pretty much every game the rest of the season. I toned it down quite a bit because he always had a death stare on me, but somehow I evaded ejection after the "Fuck You State" chant. The entire row in front of me got the boot, yet, once again, everybody was doing it.
I realize the need to get rid of the chant, or at least the last word, but the way they handle it at games is just stupid. The random warnings and ejections don't stop people from doing it. In my case it worked, but the entire rest of the section still kept doing it.
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holla if ya hear me
"I made cookies for 3, not 5!"
My favorite media "Death Touch" reference is from the Jean-Claude Van Damme classic... Blood Sport.
[Frank Dukes trying to register for the Kumite encounters a very skeptical official... maybe this guy was an usher at Yost?!]
Victor: What's the hold-up?
Official: He says Senzo Tanaka is his shidoshi.
Victor: What's the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?
Official: If Senzo Tanaks is his shidoshi, then show us the Dim Mak.
Ray Jackson: [turns to Frank] What the hell is a Dim Mack?
Official: Death touch. (In an ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE asian accent!)
Jimmy
GO BLUE!
NO! Bottom one!
"...what do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?"
"Fix the cigarette lighter."
Man, that must have been a terrible accent. All this time I thought he said "deft touch"
For those of us with kids who are afflicted (for lack of a better word) by Thomas the Train, this comes across as hilarious.
I brew beer and root for Michigan. That's good enough to be your friend, right?
Anybody who was watching the Illinois game broadcast closely would have noticed RR tearing Fred Jackson a new one (I think) right after the goal line stand, and Fred giving it right back to him. Not surprised he'll be moving on.
yeah that's mike cox. One of the managers at bivouac is friends with all the guys on the team. He is also the owner of a2 shirts which has Jeremy Jackson wearing a 'PRYOR HAS SWINE FLU' t-shirt on their website.
i only respect other superfans
Lemme know when their OMG shirtless catalog comes out.
Anyone else watch that Mario video Brian linked and laugh uncontrollably? Absolutely hilarious.
"This is awful, this is fucking worse than an RL Stine Book"
Hahaha yes I love that guy. "Blooper!? What are you doing there, there's no water here."
"We have, as human beings, a storytelling problem. We're a bit too quick to come up with explanations for things we don't really have an explanation for."
-Malcolm Gladwell
...of those that didn't 'get' the Ty Wheatley wont/cant coach here reference.
you can tell thats mike cox in the other pic by the same pointy elf ears
I also love to swear, and once had a pretty funny reputation for being able to extemporaneously create long strings of vile insults and obscenities without ever repeating myself, but I do realize that yelling "cocksucker" in pretty much any public place will probably get me kicked out or at least some kind of confrontation will happen.
For example:
McDonalds: Hey, cocksucker, can I have fries with that?
Dr's office: Hey, cocksucker, when can I see the fucking doctor?
Or even on the road: C'mon, cocksucker, I wasn't speeding.
Obviously, there is a time and place for everything....
I am in the corner of those who think using the Dukies as their model when finding an appropriate last word for the chant would be a lot more creative and would display a lot more intellect. I haven't been to a hockey game at Yost in years, but I am honestly surprised that it has been allowed to get to this point.
I can remember when something like "fuck you ref," or more likely "ref you suck" after a bad call was edgy. Now, it sounds like it would be just another chant. That is appropriate for our friends in EL, but I would hope Yost would be a little above that standard.
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i'm not an old-fashioned or backward-looking person by any means, but stuff like this makes me further appreciate the pre-internet era when any number of minor incidents simply were not deemed worth reporting. nobody's perfect and even important people like martin occasionally step on toes.
of course, i used to also like sports much better when you simply turned on tv, watched and then (win or loss) turned it off & forgot about it until next week instead of spending the week arguing who should be fired.
on second thought, maybe i am becoming old-fashioned...
FTR, if i recall that episode correctly, the death touch was not in the neck, but in the center of the chest.
I believe the Batman placed a metal plate on his chest to thwart the touch.
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BOOM FIVE POINT PALM EXPLODING HEART TECHNIQUE'D
I remember that episode!! Another weird thing about it is that the crazy obsessed Japanese guy also sees Bruce Wayne under the mask, IIRC.
So we can finally fly off into NASA
knew Bruce was batman - because he trained with Bruce in Japan and recognized his unique fighting style.
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Ohhh. It's been a long time. Was it a League of Shadows type thing they were involved with?
So we can finally fly off into NASA
up as someone who would be a little sad to see fred go. whether a rb coach is a glorified position or not, its hard to argue with the abundance of talent we've had at that position under his tutelage.
lloyd was better.
"With all the Rodriguez stuff—and the rumors as to where some of it is sourced—that may not be an option."
Can anyone elaborate on what this 'source' is and what the connection to Tyrone wheatley, for those of us without scout memberships?
I know that the rumor is that English doesn't like RR or BM because he wasn't given "a fair interview", but I don't understand how this affects Wheatley.
Thanks!
Boycott the Detroit Free Press! Do not click on any link to a freep article.
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This might be a reference back to the whole James Stapleton rumor. Stapleton is on the EMU Board of Regents.
"...what do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?"
"Fix the cigarette lighter."
Yes, that also caught my attention. Please shed some light on this one.
That's an unnecessarily negative view. Steve Hutchinson and Jeff Backus were both redshirt freshmen who, according to the UM Bentley football site, started all twelve games in 1997. If my memory is correct, I seem to recall that the '97 team had a relatively decent year.
In other words, sometimes players play early because they're really good, not merely because everybody they beat out totally sucks. Hutchinson's career in the NFL has been top-level, and Backus, while not a great player with the Lions, has still been able to last in the NFL for a number of years, in itself an achievement.
also fwiw i was almost punted out of a section in yost for the c-sucker portion of the chant and that was in... 2003? 2004 was the Children on Ice performance. I may be off by a year. regardless it puts at least five years of legacy behind attempted punts. i think it's just a stupid chant at this point and needs more appropriate hand gestures and less, you know, HBO language
http://detnews.com/article/20091109/SPORTS0201/911090419/U-M-s-Bill-Mart...
I for one, am not willing to so easily excuse Martin's behavior. Read the article in full. Twice he pushed people out of his way, the first time getting in the stadium employee's face .
This is bush league, petty crap, and as an alum I expect better behavior from the AD.
Most stadium employees are fans and/or alumni just like you are, and don't deserve to be treated poorly. If you attended the Purdue game you would have noted the fellows who've been working at the stadium for 50, even 60+ years. They shouldn't have to put up with Martin's DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM ? ARRGH!?!!? bullcrap.
I see what you're saying, but the fact that this made the Freep is just ludicrous. OH NO SOME OLD RICH WHITE DUDE ACTED IN A CONDESCENDING MANNER TO An 18-20 YEAR OLD!!!!!!
Could he have handled it better? Yes. Should it have made a publication other than matbe the Daily? No.
Ok, so the article says Bill Martin did this:
"...used his right hand to grab Kahn's windbreaker in the chest and pushed him slightly."
"Martin put his right hand on her left shoulder...he then pushed her on the left just hard enough to guide her out of the way."
Bill Martin is ultimately the security guard's boss. This situation would be equivalent to a security guard for the Red Wings or Tigers not knowing who Mike Ilitch is. If anything, the situation should be more embarrassing for the security guard than it is for Bill Martin.
The connotation of "push" when seen in context of a news headline story instinctively suggests an action more extreme than the action seen in context of the article itself: "pushed him slightly" or "pushed... just hard enough to guide her out of the way."
If then he turned to the security guards in an outrage of "Do you know who I am? Arrgh!?!!?", as you so invented, then it might actually be a story and be embarrassing. Instead you have a nudge. It seems neither petty nor bush league, as you suggest.
This article and Bill Martin's action are simply not newsworthy.
He didn't just push him. He grabbed his vest and gave him the "what's your name" routine. When you do that you're implying you're going to try to get that person fired. For what? Doing his job?
Furthermore there is no reason to be pushing people out of the way. Especially not security guards in an era when Joe Average can't even bring in so much as a tiny bag.
Petty and stupid behavior; corporate arrogance. I'm glad it made the news.
At a time when U-M is so serious about security that they're not letting fans take so much as a purse into the stadium, Martin's reaction should have been "I'm glad our employees are taking our security policies seriously" and then sheepishly called one of his lackeys to come vouch for his identity. That's what really chaps me--those people were doing their jobs, and while it's awkward (and even weird) that they didn't recognize him, they were 100% right to ask for his credentials and not just cave at the first bit of bluster.
Security doesn't work if the people doing the enforcement defer the first time anyone puffs out their chest and claims to be someone important.
Who would claim to be that, who was not?
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Sure, it's unlikely--it would take a lot of balls to claim you're such a person. Which is why I'm now scrapping my tentative plan to talk my way into the OSU game by claiming to be Mary Sue Coleman.
But it's not a good policy to tell your young staff "Okay, everyone must have credentials, unless someone without an ID claims to be someone so important that you judge it preposterous that they'd be faking it."
You don't put your staff in that position. You set a rule and you expect your staff to enforce it consistently, and you back them up when they do. The AD, of all people, should be delighted that it works. And it sounds like he's come around to that view, thankfully, once he's gotten over the annoyance of not being recognized and not getting the deference I am sure he usually (rightfully) gets.
Curses! Foiled again!
You're probably right though...
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Quit looking for crosses to nail yourself to. The guy who had Martin "in his face" as you put it wasn't wearing anything identifying him as an attendee. Given the stories of student behavior at Yost who knows what Martin thought this kid was up to? The chick was lightly brushed out of the way. This isn't Ike and Tina here.
But Ike and Tina divorced in 1978. For the social science majors amongst us: that was more than 30 years ago*. Do we have an acrimonious and violent and in-the-public-eye relationship in the past three decades we can update this allusion with? I'd hate to think that I'm going to have to explain things like Ike and Tina to my children, which will also require me to explain what "records" were, what "R&B" meant, and how someone could actually overdose on cocaine like Ike**. I'm probably missing an obvious one, but I can't seem to find a more contemporary physically-abusive relationships.
MGoBoard, we can do this.
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*I'm one of them: BA in Economics in '07.
**Okay, I'm probably alone in this: but I imagine that the future is going to be AWESOME, meaning that we'll have 1)invented a cure to overdosing on cocaine by the time I have kids, 2)made cocaine widely available, including the local school cafeteria.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."