Profiles In Heroism: Dan Mullen Comment Count

Brian

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Head Coach, Mississippi State
Age 42
Exp. 6th year
Record 46-30
Previous Jobs
OC/QB @ Florida 2005-08
QB @ Utah 2003-04
QB @ BGSU 2001-02
GA @ ND 1999-00
Playing Career
TE at Ursinus (PA) in 1992/93

These again. We're skipping Harbaugh because it's not like you need to be told about Harbaugh. In the event M does hire him, he'll get one.

These are in approximate order of personal preference.

Nationally, Dan Mullen is regarded as the best available-ish college head coach in the market this year. This admiration has not extended to all corners of the Michigan fanbase for… reasons. Foremost amongst them are:

  • "He's a one-year wonder." (Who won two national championships at Florida as the primary play-caller and has built MSU into a contender in the toughest division in the country.)
  • "He's not a cultural fit." (He's from Pennsylvania and GA'd at ND. Hell, he coached at Columbia.)
  • "He runs the spread." (You have just slashed out 80% of plausible options. Also, Chris Leak was as mobile as a plant.)
  • "He's never won for real for real." (At the Indiana of the SEC.)

Mississippi State's winning percentage before Dan Mullen arrived was… not good. In the decade before his arrivals this was their power conference peer group:

Rk Team Win % W L
84 Kentucky 0.42748 56 75
85 Rutgers 0.42308 55 75
87 Mississippi State 0.41985 55 76
90 Iowa State 0.41667 55 77
91 Illinois 0.41085 53 76

Bulldog futility goes further back than that; you have to go back to the 50s before you find a MSU head coach capable of consistently keeping the Bulldogs above .500. His winning percentage of 60.5% is in the WVU-Miami-Utah-Iowa range and is virtually unprecedented. It's also better than Michigan's over the same time frame. At Mississippi State.

So.

Reasons for hiring or not hiring a coach are not made in a vacuum, so if you'd like to make one of these arguments you have to bring along a guy who has a better resume than Dan Mullen. Gary Patterson? Sure! I'm totally down with Gary Patterson if you can crowbar him out of TCU, but you can't. Given the hires Nebraska and Florida just made I don't think anyone who could-might-kinda be available is. That leaves Dan Mullen and…

Seriously, I don't know. Mullen is the default college head coach choice. Fortunately, he seems like a pretty good one.

[After THE JUMP: the anti-Borges at QB, overblown oversigning concerns, and CEO stuff.]

Xs and Os Proficiency

Mullen came up with Urban Meyer. He was a grad assistant at ND when Meyer was the WR coach there, and then followed him through all his stops until getting the Mississippi State job. His track record as a QB coach and offensive coordinator is truly impressive. Mullen's QBs:

  • JOSH HARRIS, BGSU. Meyer inherited Andy Sahm, a pocket guy a year older than Harris, and Mullen eventually molded him to a quality starter. He took over the full time job in 2002, with a 6.9 YPA, 737 rushing yards, and a whopping 39 touchdowns as BGSU took down Missouri and Kansas as a MAC team. Harris had a standout senior season the year after Meyer and Mullen went to Utah and got drafted.
  • ALEX SMITH, UTAH. Smith had four attempts as a true freshman; upon Meyer and Mullen's arrival he blew up, passing for 8.4 YPA as a true sophomore and 9.3 as a junior; that junior campaign also saw him complete 68% of his passes with a nutty 32:4 TD:INT ratio. Oh, and run for 600 yards. Utah went undefeated, beating Texas A&M, Arizona, North Carolina, and Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. Smith was the top pick in the ensuing NFL Draft.
  • CHRIS LEAK, FLORIDA. Leak had already started for Florida for two years under Ron Zook; he never really fit the Meyer run/pass mold but complted 63 and 64 percent of his passes as an upperclassman with decent YPA and TD:INT ratios as Florida won a national title in 2006.
  • TIM TEBOW, FLORIDA. I probably don't have to remind you of TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW's college career. Mostly a Belldozer QB/tank as a freshman, Tebow put up insane stats as a full time starter: 9.4 YPA, 32:6 TD:INT as a sophomore, 9.2 and 30:4 as a junior, with a total of 1600 rushing yards those two years. Mullen left for Mississippi State after 2008; Scot Loeffler was brought in to turn Tebow into Tom Brady, a process that didn't seem to impact his college stats much (9.2 YPA as a senior) but also did not work. Tebow was a first round draft pick and ESPN hype factory who eventually washed out because he was a rhino masquerading as an NFL QB.
  • TYSON LEE, MSU. Mediocre inherited pocket passer. Did bump YPA from 5.8 to 6.5 as a senior in Mullen year 1.
  • CHRIS RELF, MSU. Middling inherited bulky dual-threat who once obliterated M. "One of the lowest-rated QB prospects" to start an SEC game after the rise of rankings, Mullen was very careful with his passing on team that ran almost 70% of the time at a rather decent 4.5 YPC; Relf had 8.1 YPA as a result in Mullen year two. Relf fell off significantly as a senior and was platooned with…
  • TYLER RUSSELL, MSU. Mildly touted pocket guy was recruited by Croom and kept on, had a decent junior year (59%, 7.4 YPA, 24:10 TD:INT) and then blew out his shoulder in his senior year opener; he came back sporadically when the next guy came down with his own shoulder issues.
  • DAK PRESCOTT, MSU. The first Mullen-recruited QB to play for him at MSU had a rickety redshirt sophomore campaign (7.3 YPA, 10:7 TD-INT) after being forced into the lineup by Russell's shoulder issues; did run for over 800 yards. This year Prescott blew up (61%, 8.7 YPA, 24:10 TD INT, 900 rushing yards) into a fringe Heisman candidate as the Bulldogs took it to most of the SEC that was not Alabama.

Mullen had four straight highly productive QBs before he got to MSU and then scraped average production out of a couple of iffy prospects before Prescott blew up this year. FWIW, at Florida Mullen was the primary playcaller; this is not a Chip/Brian Kelly situation where the HC is also the de-facto OC.

As far as his offenses have gone:

[2008 Mississippi State was Sylvester Croom's last team, included for comparison's sake.]

Year Team FEI S&P Plain YPP
2005 Florida N/A 23 49
2006 Florida N/A 7 24
2007 Florida 1 1 3
2008 Florida 3 1 3
2008 Miss. St. 106 106 115
2009 Miss. St. 44 71 69
2010 Miss. St. 69 56 41
2011 Miss. St. 88 63 70
2012 Miss. St. 87 51 47
2013 Miss. St. 46 56 45
2014 Miss. St. 22 5 16

Mullen walked into one of the worst possible situations and immediately made it better. He maintained improved but average-at-best performance except for 2011, when he had a pocket passer, before a true breakout 2014—the first year he had an experienced QB he recruited available. At Florida his offenses were lights-out after an adjustment year in which they figured out Chris Leak was dyslexic.

No, this isn't like Brady Hoke's one good year at Ball State. Ball State is historically a slightly above .500 MAC school and Hoke had them performing at or below that number until his annus mirabilus. Mullen was already outperforming by some distance before this year. Also…

THE MAC IS

NOT

THE SEC

and Brady Hoke didn't win multiple NCs as an offensive coordinator, because he was never one of those.

Recruiting

Life at the bottom is tough. Mississippi State is often left with a choice between guys who probably can't cut it in the SEC and guys who are questionable to qualify; as a result their classes come with significant uncertaint. Some LOIs are courtesy offers  intended as a sort of "draft and follow" as players go to JUCO and then arrive two years later. Current JUCO DB commit Donald Gray signed with MSU out of high school($) and both made good on it once Gray became eligible.

But an overview shows that concerns about oversigning and JUCOs are significantly overblown.

Year Recruits 4* JUCOs 247 Comp.
2009 27 7 6 20
2010 26 5 3 34
2011 22 1 2 34
2012 28 4 2 22
2013 21 3 (one 5*) 2 25
2014 24 2 3 35
2015 29 5 3 16

After Mullen's transitional class, he's taken two or three JUCOs per year; this is far from the Oregon State or Kansas State style of recruiting. MSU's classes are a bit bigger than average, but the maximum number of players recruited over any four-year span is 102, and with the JUCOs that's really 97 four-year players. Meanwhile MSU does not have the privilege of recruiting only guys who are definitely going to to make it. They have a natural attrition rate that does not involve axing guys on purpose.

As a result, the Bulldogs did not appear at all in Matt Hinton's 2013 edition of the oversigning index—Michigan did, with 87. MSU has in fact cut way down on signing class size under Mullen, partially because of SEC rules.

As far as the quality of those classes go, keep in mind that they're a bit overrated since any recruit gets you points and a higher percentage of Bulldog recruits flame out. That said, Mullen immediately and significantly improved MSU recruiting from a baseline dependent on even larger classes. MSU was 50th in Sylvester Croom's last class, 30th the year before with a whopping 35(!) recruits, and 40th in 2006. Mullen has bounced around a bit but has generally outperformed even without as much of a size bias in his favor.

He's done a great job of keeping Mississippi kids at home and has found many and varied diamonds in the rough.

Unfortunately it was impossible to find much about Mullen's reputation as a recruiter while at Florida since any relevant Google search is overwhelmed by articles about Florida hiring the guy to replace Muschamp.

CEO Stuff

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Diaz was good, and then he was not good.

Mullen helped Oregon find Chip Kelly since they were both New Hampshire bros—good call. Mullen's out of the box hire of Manny Diaz looked pretty spectacular as Diaz obliterated the Denard Robinson show in 2011, whereupon Diaz was hired by Texas.

Texas's defense did not perform and Diaz was eventually fired midseason so Greg Robinson could come in; Robinson did improve them significantly. Whether Diaz was really a problem or just a convenient scapegoat as the Mack Brown era slid to its country-club conclusion is unknown.

Mullen's current staff is a mix of guys he's known for a long time and guys plucked for no other reason than they seem like good ideas. Former Utah QB Brian Johnson is the QB coach; the OL coach is a guy who came with him from Florida; the TE coach is a former Ursinis teammate of Mullen who spent the last decade in the Ivy League. On the other hand, his DC is a guy who he hired from FIU in 2011 and he's got a few Mississippi dudes for recruiting purposes who he'd never crossed paths with before. Seems like a standard mix.

This is where a look at Mississippi State defenses goes:

[2008 again Croom.]

Year Team FEI S&P Plain YPP
2008 Miss. St. 51 92 51
2009 Miss. St. 72 38 77
2010 Miss. St. 12 22 48
2011 Miss. St. 28 33 13
2012 Miss. St. 59 43 56
2013 Miss. St. 25 14 58
2014 Miss. St. 11 6 62

This is a bit of an oddity, with the rankings that take SOS into account in high praise after year one (minus a blip in 2012) and the raw numbers less positive. This is where MSU's brutal league schedule shows up. At the very least he's done a good job to make the Bulldog defense competitive, and if you believe the advanced stats his defensive coordinator is a keeper.

Potential Catches

There are a few:

How much of his success is Meyer? It's difficult to separate Mullen's talents from Meyer's, as Urbs hasn't exactly fallen apart at OSU without him. But it's worth noting that Mullen's successor, Steve Addazio, was a disaster as Florida's OC and was canned after two years. And then you've got the six years at Mississippi State. The guy is not a Meyer creation.

Can he recruit at Michigan? Michigan fans are understandably wary after Rich Rodriguez brought in one Demar Dorsey for every Denard Robinson he acquired. I don't think this is much of a concern. Florida acts a lot like a Big Ten team in recruiting and Mullen came up through ND, BGSU, and Utah. He is a Pennsylvania native.

Rodriguez had barely left West Virginia during his career—two years each at Tulane and Clemson under Tommy Bowden—by the time he got to M and was shocked by the differences. Mullen will not be.

original[1]NCAA violations? Two things get brought up about Mullen: the Cam Newton thing and the sudden resignation of an assistant because of booster shenanigans. Newton was in the news because his father solicited money from MSU; the Bulldogs refused to deal with the go-between and reported it to the SEC.

More recently, MSU lost two scholarships in 2013 and got two years of probation when assistant coach Angelo Mirando knew about booster interference in the recruitment of a DB and did not act. In that case the NCAA directly stated that no one other than Mirando had knowledge of the wrongdoing; Mirando was fired as soon as it was known.

Neither of these is anything that would prevent Mullen's hire.

Public relations maybe not so much. There were two eyebrow-cocking events this year. In the first, Mullen vociferously defended a player of his who twice stomped on LSU players and was suspended as a result. This is par for the course for just about everyone, but it wasn't a good look.

The second and more recent event was Mullen asking a QB who had been committed to Mississippi State for months was asked to grayshirt. This caused his high school coach to go off on twitter about it. It's an issue, but Mullen is prohibited from telling his side of the story by NCAA rules, and this is much better than signing the kid and then going "whoops, we have no spot for you." Michigan has done it in the past; Ohio State just had a TE flip to Kansas without any idea of who the head coach even is. Sometimes you make a call on a kid and it's wrong and it's in everyone's best interest to part ways.

It is not having a kid get through summer school and then saying "whoops," as Les Miles did. Anyone advocating Miles is advocating much worse behavior in this department. Meanwhile the numbers above show MSU is not making a habit of cutting guys loose willy-nilly.

Does his wife pass the "THAT WOMAN" test? IE, would my mother refer to his wife as THAT WOMAN or regard her as a pal and a confidant? If she threw a party and invited everyone she knew, would she see that the biggest gift was from my mom and the card read "thank you for being a friend?"

I have initiated this test after Rita Rodriguez, who by all reports is a sweetheart, symbolized unbridgeable cultural differences between Rodriguez and Michigan, i.e. my mom, through no fault of her own.

I report that Dan Mullen's wife passes the test.

Would He Take The Job?

Mullen has to know that success at Mississippi State is a fragile thing and he would be well served to strike while the iron's hot. MSU remains the poorest athletic department in his division and will never, ever be able to compete in recruiting with most of the SEC. This is a situation much different than any of the other attractive sitting head coaches. He'd go.

Overall Attractiveness

Unless you're telling me guys who were apparently unavailable for Florida (Gundy, Stoops, Patterson, Shaw, etc.) are on the board for Michigan, Mullen is the strongest non-Harbaugh candidate by a mile.

The only guy who is even debatable is Les Miles, who I am leery of because of his age, his skeezy recruiting practices, the evident split in the alumni base about his suitability, and the lingering fear that he would run out of his batty Mad Hatter luck the instant he stepped on campus—because of course that would happen to us.

I get arguments in favor of Miles even if I don't agree with them; there is no reasonable argument that any other feasible option is more attractive than Mullen.

Comments

los barcos

December 4th, 2014 at 4:31 PM ^

with your assestment a bit more, especially this part:

His best win in 5 years was 8-5 Florida.  His 2nd and 3rd best wins were rivalry games vs decent, not great Ole Miss in year 1 and year 5.  I cannot find a 4th best win in his first 5 years - it would be between Rice in a bowl and UM in a bowl.  So in 64 (including 4 bowls) opportunities in 5 years I am at a loss to find a 4th quality win. 

Mullen hasn't beaten anyone, really, and has padded his W/L total with the Troys and Alcorn States of the world.  And fine, you want to say he's at the Purdue of the SEC. I get that, but we're not asking him to win the SEC Title Game - I just want to see an upset or two that proves he can get over that hump; merely showing up and losing close doesn't count.

charblue.

December 4th, 2014 at 4:59 PM ^

took out Auburn at home and the homies said then that it was his biggest win and one of the school's best-ever wins. And how do I know this, because my MSU graduate nephew got married the weekend of that game and the entire wedding party watched the game before the nuptials and then finished watching it at the reception. Beyond that, they had some Bulldog footballers at their party who confirmed this as the team's biggest win, which, at the time made them No. 1 in the country, something Michigan hasn't been since 1997.

I don't know how good this program is or how good the coach is, but his team kicked the shit out of Michigan in a bowl game and rocked the SEC this year.

I want Harbaugh, but I would accept Mullen because he's got a lot to prove and isn't on the downhill side of his career. Beating Auburn was a huge deal for MSU. And if Michigan had done it, we would think likewise.

jbibiza

December 4th, 2014 at 5:26 PM ^

The Much Maligned Manny Diaz re-surfaced as DC for La tech this year. Last year their defense was 114 on S&P and 96 on FEI. This year with Manny coming in they were #28 and #33 respectively. These are Mattison circa 2010 numbers... maybe even better. So Brian's suggestion that Manny's implosion at Texas might have been a reflection of the overall collapse holds water... and that gives some cred to Mullen's ability to choose staff.

turd ferguson

December 4th, 2014 at 5:39 PM ^

This is the main reason to believe there's a massive gulf between Harbaugh and Mullen.  Harbaugh built a lasting powerhouse out of nothing at Stanford.  Mullen has built a decent program with an excellent season out of nothing at MSU.  I just wish we had more data on Mullen.  Did it take time to build up to this, and they're just plain good now, or has this been a fluky good season with a veteran roster (after being 2-21 vs. ranked teams before this year)?  Was his brain-farting his way through game management decisions in the biggest game of his career (vs. Alabama this year) just a forgivable outlier?  What about whatever happened against Ole Miss?

But the question isn't Harbaugh vs. Mullen; it's Mullen vs. the field.  If the field is guys like Butch Jones, Todd Graham, and Greg Schiano - and even Les Miles - then give me Mullen and I'm very happy.  If the field includes a guy like Gary Patterson or Bob Stoops or Gus Malzahn, then there's no way I'd hire Mullen.

Indiana Blue

December 4th, 2014 at 10:50 PM ^

RR to 2011 and Hoke's 11-2 season ... and then the toilet swirl with massive dissatisfaction from fans and dwindling attendance figures.

The new Michigan Head Coach better be someone that re-energizes this program from the second that person is named.  And that AIN"T Dan Mullen.  I'd take Bo Pelini over Dan Mullen every single day of the week ... and I would list Bo about #12 on my list.

Go Blue!

dankbrogoblue

December 4th, 2014 at 4:55 PM ^

I can understand you'd like to see some upsets in early years for Mullen at Miss St, but when you list out those losses and think of the momentum and resources the programs listed there have, I think you sink your own argument.

The most WTF loss there is 2012 Ole Miss (considering that 2012 Northwestern was 10-3 and actually pretty damn good).

I think we'd be lucky to have him.

alum96

December 4th, 2014 at 5:37 PM ^

Tell me about the momentum Jim Harbaugh had taking over 1-11 Stanford and beating USC and Oregon in year 3.

Tell me about the momentum Bert B had at Arkansas taking over a 4-8 team that was 3-9 in year 2 and beating Ole Miss and LSU 47-0 in back to back weeks.  Combined with a 1 pt loss to Bama.

Good coaches find a way in years 3 and 4 to change momentum on its head.  I did about 15 CCs these past 8 weeks and it happens with coach after coach after coach.  Even Saban at MSU went in and beat #1 OSU in Columbus in year 4.  Top end coaches find a way to create their own big moments in disfavorable situations and with lesser talent. 

I don't care about his overall record in his first 5 years - I can explain that away.  The inability to beat anybody of merit is troubling.  And a UM team that laid an egg in RR's last 2 games is not a quality win.

NJWolverine

December 4th, 2014 at 9:38 PM ^

I don't dispute your general premise here, but you do have to consider the fact that Mullen is at Mississippi State, which is perhaps the most disfavorable situation in college football.  There are literally no advantages to being at Mississippi State (SEC West competition, second fiddle in the state, far behind rivals in facilities, no other redeeming qualities like academics or location that would attract recruits). 

Every example you list was a better situation (better facilities (Arkansas), academics / location (Stanford), location (Arizona State), lesser competition (MSU).  You also have to consider the fact that MIssissippi State has consistently been bad at football, while the other schools you list have had ebbs and flows over time. 

You mentioned Bert.  The guy is 2-14 in the SEC his first two years.  His two game winning streak needs to be viewed in that light (it was also against a hobbled Ole Miss team and a 4 loss LSU team). 

There's no perfect candidate outside of Harbaugh (very unlikely).  I also like Miles and his body of work (but it's unlikely given the internal divisions).  There are risks that Mullen is a one hit wonder, and there are also risks about signing practices and I would argue there are risks about recruiting (he's never really recruited outside the south).  He is by no means a perfect candidate, but we don't have any perfect candidates out there now.

getsome

December 5th, 2014 at 7:16 PM ^

recruiting in the south vs those programs is bloodsport - recruiting at michigan would be at bottom of my list of worries with mullen.  but i agree with your point re no perfect candidate.  not the biggest fan of mullen but if certain sitting coaches are not available then i see the argument for mullen.  i like his youth, his resume, his experience at big programs and in big games - but some top youngish coordinators offer similar attributes (ie kirby smart) and should also be considered if top 5 type dudes remain committed to current jobs.  

the right coach is issue 1A - but problem 1B remains QB options over next few years.  very few coaches will be able to win at the level desired by all if the right QBs are not brought in next few years and everyones seen countless coaches fired after several years of poor QB play.  great coaching and supporting cast can mitigate but only to certain extent - smart athletic QBs can totally change teams and seasons (and coaches careers) so hopefully the current crop develops big time or new coach hits on his first 1-2 QBs

alum96

December 4th, 2014 at 5:28 PM ^

I know right? :)

Obviously I bring a bias, and Brian brings a bias.  Everyone has a bias- and we look for data to confirm our views to a degree.   I see a guy who in 5 years could not pull one upset on the level of what Bret B did in year 2 at Arkansas.  Maybe Arkansas had slightly better talent. Goin to the West Coast Stanford 9 years ago was basically Purdue.  But in year 3 their HC (JH) took a 1-11 squad and beat top 10 teams Oregon and USC back to back.  No data points of this ilk in 5 years with Dan Mullen.  Makes me worried.

I would ask Brian to do a Todd Graham piece in the same way he did a Dan Mullen piece and see how he compares to Mullen.  My piece focuses more on on field data points - and would paint Graham in a very favorable light (I did a diary on him in September). . Brian is not a Graham fan and it woud paint a dark portrait of Graham.

If I was UF I would have hired Todd Graham.  Graham doesnt fit culturally at UM and has the bad breakups but purely as a football coach he has a way better probability of success and better track record than Mullen.

Todd Graham also "found" Guz Malzahn the same way Mullen "found" Chip Kelly.  He also found Chad Morris - both OCs for him at Tusla before they were hired away.  His current team has 7 seniors on its 2 deep, and competed for a playoff spot deep into the season.   He is probably an ass but a good coach.   But for Michigan probably not a good fit I guess.

MI Expat NY

December 4th, 2014 at 5:57 PM ^

I think you're putting waaaaay too much into this "pulled off an upset thing."  Sure Harbaugh pulled off some upsets in 2009.  He also had the best pro-prospect QB at the helm since Peyton Manning.  Bielema is leading a program that finished the year ranked #5 three years ago.  It's not shocking that these results happened.  Doesn't mean Mullen can't coach.  

alum96

December 4th, 2014 at 6:13 PM ^

I threw 2 examples out there that are easy for people to grasp since the average UM fan knows Harbaugh and knows Bret.  It is consistent with almost every coach that is high level I have looked at.  Me throwing out Todd Graham examples if not going to matter to 90% of people.

Andrew Luck was not even 1 of the top 3 QBs in his class.  Jim Harbaugh had something to do with his development.   If you look at the top 5 QBs in his class one wonders they the other 4 were not standouts. 

And if Mullen is such an offensive guru (and not benefiting from his time with Meyer) why could he not find an Andrew Luck type in the south in 5 years?  Or a dual threat version of Andrew Luck?  Or even a poor man's version of that?

Todd Graham inherited  a 2 star recruit out of Idaho without a top 5 conf offer and made him into a plausible QB.   RichRod made Denard a QB - now he went to Arizona and beat Oregon on the road with a RS FR QB.  Manziel with Sumlin was a 3 star recruit who had nice offers (Oregon for one) but made him work.  Mike Leach makes any QB work.  Why couldn't "offensive guru" Mullen  find one player in 5 years to make into a plausible QB?

Mullen's 3rd and 4th year offenses were as bad as Michigan's in 2014 by the advanced stats above.  You have to ask why.  His calling card is supposed to be QB development if you believe it was Mullen developing QBs and not Meyer.  There was none for half a decade @MSU.  You need to develop a QB to pull an upset against good teas (or have a D that can pitch a shutout like Bielema did).  He failed at that until this year.

MI Expat NY

December 5th, 2014 at 8:25 AM ^

At least you're now using a reasonable criticism.  I agree not having a QB to fit his system until year 5 is a big concern.  Whether that was from inability to recruit a QB or inability to utilize what was there.  I also agree the QB situation probably explains the lack of getting over the hump in some of their upset attempts from those first few years (they did almost derail both of Auburn's undefeated seasons before they got started).  

I don't know enough to know why Mullen had that stretch at MSU without a viable option at QB.  Even good qb coaches with a history of developing qbs will have blips where they can't seem to find the right guy.  Was that all this was?  Who knows.  However, I'm not going to dismiss his success just because Todd Graham's guy turned out ok, or because Manziel was a 3-star because too many scouts couldn't see his QB potential.  Also, I think crediting Harbaugh with Andrew Luck's natural ability is a bit much.

Tater

December 4th, 2014 at 5:39 PM ^

Mullen has been my favorite "realistic" candidate from the start.  I love the idea of Jim Harbaugh and watched most of his games at Michigan, but I am concerned that he doesn't run a modern offense and that he may wear out his welcome after five years or so due to his abrasive nature.  In addition, I would always be concerned with Harbaugh saying FTS and going back to the NFL, especially if he felt a new AD was micromanaging him.    

Dan Mullen could be the next long-term coach at Michigan.  He could be a guy who comes in, stabilizes the program and runs it for twenty years without a lot of the drama and negativitiy that has clouded the program since The Horror and The Debacle.  

 

trustBlue

December 4th, 2014 at 7:09 PM ^

You want Mullen over Harbaugh because he runs a spread?  This is the most WTF post I have read all week.

Edit:  Sorry for downvoting you, I went back and upvoted you instead.  The way you expressed your opinion is fine, I just can't disagree more strongly.

MI Expat NY

December 4th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^

I'm interested to hear you make that case.  I would argue that Sumlin rode Art Briles' coattails to success at Houston and the arm of a 6th year QB to his one special year there, followed by two years with Johnny F'n Football, and a team loaded with talent.  Yet he still hasn't won a conference championship game.  

He's a good recruiter and probably a good coach.  However he still hasn't really accomplished anything.

And, yes, he's not leaving A&M.

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 4:00 PM ^

No.

Success at Michigan is hope.  At MSU it is reality.

Also, I think he is well aware of how the last spread-run coach was run out of town in AA. Not worth the headache.

The weird anti-Mississippi bias of this blog has been blown up as Ole Miss has compiled top 15 classes in consecutive years. Mullen can do the same an has brand new elite facilities.  Also, their current class ranks #16, above Michigan. A couple years ago they had a top 25 class.  The potential for elite recruiting is definitely there.

Going from SEC to Big 10 is a downgrade.

If he leaves, it will probably be for the NFL.

 

Hannibal.

December 4th, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^

MSU is having the best season in their history and their class is ranked only #14 on rivals. They only have five 4* recruits in it.  Hoke was able to pull in most of his elite 2012 class before he won a game at Michigan.  He was able to get commits from the likes of Jabrill Chris Clark, Darian Roseboro, Mike Weber, and Brian Cole even after a shitty 7-6 season with his job in question.  It's much easier to recruit at Michigan than at Mississippi State.  I can't believe that someone would genuinely trying to argue otherwise.   

Hannibal.

December 4th, 2014 at 4:20 PM ^

You are taking recency bias to a hilarious extreme, the likes of which I have never seen.

Using your logic, North Carolina was a better program than Texas in 1997 when Mack took the Longhorns over and Cincinnati was a better program than ND when ND hired Kelly.  And Kansas was a better program than Michigan in Mark Mangino's 10 win season. 

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 4:24 PM ^

I am acknowledging that things change over time.  Programs rise or fall.  Miami, Wisconsin, Oregon, Boise -- every decade brings a new power.  I don't know if the next one will be MSU or TCU or KSU but I'm sure there's schools out there that aren't considered elite jobs right now but will be a decade from now.  Not every elite program in the 60s or 70s is still an elite program.  Things change.

Now, I can appreciate why Michigan fans would rather things stayed the same.  And our outstanding ability to remain a top 25 program year and year out through the Bo-Mo-Lloyd era can skew perspectives.  That was extraordinary. 

Quite clearly, there is nothing that guarantees it will continue and right now Michigan has a lot of things going against it.  For Mullen, MSU is a better job.  The distance from where he is to a national title is much shorter in Starkville than Ann Arbor.

 

SalvatoreQuattro

December 4th, 2014 at 4:45 PM ^

No, MSU is not closer to a national title than UM. MSU is in a murderous division with all sorts of recruiting disadvantages. inferior facilities, heavy competition for talent in the region, an nonexistant tradition of excellence....I don't see any recruiting advantages that MissState has over Michigan.

Mississippi is one of the poorest in the Union(Michigan is middling) with a population about one-third of Michigan's. Because of that the state's talent is at a premium and is gobbled up by SEC powers. MissState is not a particularly wealthy school with a smallish fan and alumni base whilst UM is one of the richest public institutions in the country with a huge alumni base. Oh and the football program boasts one of the largest fan bases in the NCAA.

What exactly are the benefits MissState has over UM? Playing in the SEC, weather, and...uh...help me out here.

 

By the way, this is their state flag...

 

I mean really.

SalvatoreQuattro

December 4th, 2014 at 5:00 PM ^

But everything else remains the same. The problem is that they CANNOT change those historical obstacles. This isn't the WAC. This is the SEC where the strong remain strong and the weak remain weak. Sure, they made a jump this year. But what about next year and the year after that? Their recruiting hasn't improved enough to think that they will be able to sustain a consistent level of success--something they have never done by the way.

I don't think you really understand or appreciate how bad of a position MissState is in. They are in the nation's strongest conference in the nation's poorest states that has a small population(less than three million). Oh and they also have Ole Miss to contend with.

There is no  sound logical basis for your conclusions based off the data we have before us.

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^

Regarding your comments -- You could/would have said the same thing about Oregon 15 years ago.  Things change.

The data I have before me is that MSU is an elite top 10 football team right now. They came very close to beating Alabama this year and did beat LSU, Texas A&M, and Auburn. Michigan got shut out by Notre Dame and lost to Rutgers and Maryland.  These teams played head to head a few years ago and Michigan got run...that was back when we had the Pac12 coach of the year on our sideline.  Things have gotten worse since.

I appreciate the relevance and importance of history, but it is about to be 2015 and the reality of today is not the same as it was in the 1990s.

 

SalvatoreQuattro

December 4th, 2014 at 6:08 PM ^

as the SEC is now. Secondly, Oregon>>>>>>Mississippi in every possible socioeconomic  category.

It's not just history, but demographics and finances.  You are not understanding that the problems facing MissState(and even Ole Miss) go much deeper than history.

UM has many more advantages than MissState. It's not even close. One is wealthly and the other is not. One has great tradition and the other has. One great season does not change decades of futility. Yet that is exactly what you are suggesting.

 You are attemping to argue the present with the what ifs of the future. That's what your argument boils down to. Your entire argument is predicated on Mullen staying at MissState long enough to do what Snyder did at KSU or what Beamer did at Vatech. But it took those guys over a decade to get theri programs to a level of sustained success and even then it has been a hilly ride. 

 

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 6:35 PM ^

Connecticut is not an elite program.  Your state socioeconomic argument is not relevant in world where even UM's important donors live in New York, Florida, and California.

Money matters only to the extent that it helps your team succeed - i.e., you are willing to pay coaches and for facilities.  For facilities, they clearly are.  Remove the facilities argument and you're down to coaches pay (i.e., we'll offer more money).  Which, again, is a dubious argument when you are talking about the SEC.

I am suggesting a good coach can overcome history.  You pointed to some good examples in Beamer but there are many more coaches who turn down "more prestigious" jobs until the NFL came calling.  Rodriguez turned down Alabama and would have stuck at WVU if he wasnt fighting with ADs for things like facilities and assistant pay -- doesn't seem to be a problem for Mullen.

"it took those guys over a decade to get theri programs to a level of sustained success"  It did -- but it looks like Mullen could be doing it a lot faster.  There's no good reason for him to leave. I think it would take a Texas/Alabama/USC or NFL type opportunity to pull him out of a program he has built up into a top 15 outfit.  He did it in 2010, he's doing it again in 2014 and as his recruiting continues to ramp up he'll do it again in the future.

 

SalvatoreQuattro

December 4th, 2014 at 10:09 PM ^

not the states.  Money is not a dubious argument because MissState doesn't have the amount of money that the power SEC schools or UM does.

There is no good reason for him to leave? Huh? Let's see, bigger contract, wider recruiting base, greater name recognition,  a larger fan base, better university...there are a multitude of reasons why he would leave MissState.