This way, guys! [Patrick Barron]

Preview 2021: Five Questions, Five Answers, Offense Comment Count

Seth August 31st, 2021 at 12:00 PM

Previously in 2021: The Story. Podcast 13.0A. Podcast 13.0B.
Last year: 5Q5A: Offense 2020. Quarterback. Running Back. Wide Receiver. Tight End. Interior OL. Offensive Tackle.

Your productivity is safe; there will be no positional previews this year (see: The Story). Hail to the Victors was finished so late all of that is still good except perhaps [checks Nebraska preview] yep, all of it’s still good. Let’s ask the questions, starting with the saddest, and working our way back to hope.

1. Who’s running the offense?

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Somebody’s going to jail. [Bryan Fuller]

It’s Josh Gattis. I’m sure Jim Harbaugh is involved, but the popular fan theory that the old man trapped in Schembechlerian thinking is dictating smashmouthian football hasn’t held up, at least so far. The evidence is all over. They made BEN MASON a tight end, for one. Gattis said he is going to get best athletes the ball in space where they can make plays. The receivers have been running various takes on levels that clear out space underneath for their star wide receiver, who led the league in average YAC.

They passed far more often—44% both years—on standard downs than any other year under Harbaugh. Half of those passes went to a slot receiver, and another chunk went to slants off RPOs. The base running attack remained the Buck Sweep, which we’ve been calling Pin & Pull. That has been their thing since the back half of 2018. Screens have remained mostly left out of the offense. This is all pulled from UFR data since 2008:

STANDARD DOWNS, NOT IN COMEBACK MODE

Era Pass Rate Pass Short Bomb Power QB Run Screens Dropback%
Rodriguez 23% 14% 5% 6% 40% 9% 56%
Hoke 37% 17% 7% 20% 16% 6% 52%
Harbaugh 15-18 38% 17% 7% 35% 4% 4% 59%
Gattis 44% 23% 10% 19% 12% 5% 74%

[QB run includes zone read/arc stff]

Also about 8% of the offense has been RPOs, up from negligible prior. Where Gattis is an outlier is he’s been more likely to have his quarterbacks throw it deep on early downs.

The other interesting thing about Gattis on early downs is he doesn’t use much play-action, something we have tracked consistently across eras. Sometimes there’s a tiny wave of the ball at an RB going by—that doesn’t count as PA in our charting (and gets the old guys on Twitter furious).

When Gattis is able to run his offense, his offense passes more, and drops back more. It still doesn’t screen, but it’s substantially different than the “Harbaugh”-called offenses under Drevno/Pep/The Cast of Too Many Cooks. What he does so much differently than Pep Hamilton is create space to throw to the guy who can pick up extra.

Pep’s overarching philosophy for his routes—I believe— was in creating levels reads that pop open one after another. Gattis is the contrast: look how the targets are spaced out in the four corners of the field, drawing defenders until there’s just one to read. He steps deep with the WR who ran right at him, and the underneath is thrown.

It might just be that the reads-on-everything, defenders getting pulled in multiple directions, QB run threats, RB wheels, and bombs we hoped Gattis imbibed from Joe Moorhead did not take, or that they did but are muted by the paralyzing conservatism of James Franklin.

The thing I can’t show in the charts is there has been a lot more of the Mike Locksley/get people moving across the backfield stuff. It’s mostly been a dud. The kings of that kind of football right now are the Baltimore Ravens, and Matt Weiss was supposedly a big part of that design. They run jets and orbits and then have the receivers kick out or turn into wheels. Gattis has mostly used those guys as flare routes or fake pitch options—the football equivalent of putting a Just a Shooter™ in the corner to increase spacing. Because the Michigan offense ignores that guy out there, so has the defense.

Ideally this year the presence of Weiss and the co-coordinator role for Sherrone Moore give Gattis a sharper edge. They CANNOT slip back into this “we’re reading nobody” idiocy that we saw again last year after it was banished post-Notre Dame 2018. I wish I could blame that on Harbaugh.

[After THE JUMP: Make sense please.]

2. Why can’t they run the goldang quarterback?

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Perhaps this was unfair? [Bryan Fuller]

If you recall, the takeoff point for the 2018-2019 offense was when they shelved the fake zone reads that got them killed against Notre Dame and started actually running the quarterback. They turned off QB keeps against Army and that almost resulted in disaster, then held back the offense all season. It happened again last year against Indiana:

Well. Here we are again.

Here we are. I cannot tell you how sick I am of pointing at a flailing Michigan offense and pointing out the various things that make no goddamn sense. Called QB runs in this game: zero. RPOs: maybe two or three. Zone reads: one, I think.

There was a screen, so there's that.

What is going on?

I don't know. I don't know how you can see Milton run against Minnesota, and see the easy touchdown it should have generated, and then completely drop that from the offense. I don't know how you go back to turning your back on the line of scrimmage like it's 1984. Michigan ran play action on second and twenty on which Milton turned all the way around and popped up to find a DE in his face that he could have avoided if he wasn't looking at the wrong endzone for half the play.

You lost to an abysmal MSU team. You're down the whole game against a team you haven't lost to since 1987. Run the goddamn quarterback.

One difference we saw with McNamara versus Milton in the Rutgers game was Michigan put the reads back into the game. Nobody has explained why that is so we just have our theories. Brian’s is that Milton must be terrible at them.

Milton got filed for zero RPOs, zero zone reads, and zero screens in this game. McNamara had six screens, four RPOs, and three zone reads. I may have missed something here or there but I mean… one of these had speed in space elements and the other absolutely did not.

At this point I have to assume that Joe Milton is terrible at executing reads. Perhaps unfathomably so. I've complained about the near-total absence of them in the offense for a month now, and this was no exception. M continually handed off with Milton while there was no conceivable read:

A popular one during the Pattersom era was they didn’t want to expose him to hits: Wisconsin went headhunting on McCaffrey the second he seemed poised to take over, and Patterson had a major brace on after the first play against MTSU. Anyway that makes two (with Shea) QBs in a row who mysteriously stopped making zone reads, or just pretended to and handed off no matter what the optioned guy does. It extended to RPOs so Brian was probably right about Milton.

Anyway McNamara was making reads when he came in against Rutgers. This was an RPO that victimized a CB trying to do what IU got away with all day. The next play Gattis hit them with an RPO AND GO! and there’s no chance.

Best case scenario, that’s the offense Gattis intended to run. That scenario means they picked the wrong quarterback for that offense last year, shelved it to keep riding with him until he gave them no choice but to bench him, and then he transferred to Tennessee. That isn’t very comforting either. But #SpeedinSpace lives!

3. McNamara INTANGIBLES or Joe Milton’s Arm?

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Just a few more days to empty the McNamara spring practice 2019 folder [fortuitously filled by Bryan Fuller]

The difference between the two gets exaggerated because the most present thing in our minds is the part of the season when Joe Milton got benched in consecutive games and McNamara immediately scored. The UFR charting (with my MSU grades included) tell us nothing except how much Milton deteriorated over the course of the season.

CADE MCNAMARA

  Good   Neutral   Bad   Ovr   Reads
Game DO CA SCR   PR MA   BA TA IN BR   DSR GRADE!   RPOs ZRs
Wisconsin 3 1               3     57% +2
Rutgers 2++ 20(6)     3 3       5 2   70% +8.2   4/4 1/3
PSU-Before   2(1) 1     1             100%  
PSU-After   7(3) 1   2 1   1   8(1) 1   30% -8.2

JOE MILTON

  Good   Neutral   Bad   Ovr   Reads
Game DO CA SCR   PR MA   BA TA IN BR   DSR GRADE!   RPOs ZRs
Minnesota   17(6) 1     1     1 2 1   75% +4   2/2 2/2
MSU 7 20(3)+ 4   3 3   2 5* 5(1)** 5x   64% +15
Indiana 7 19(2)++++     3 4       6** 4   71% +10.7
Wisconsin 1 8(1)+       1   1 1* 4* 3*   47% -7.2
Rutgers 2 3     3 1       3 1   56% +0.5
PSU   1               2     33% -1

That drop after IU was deep. It also wasn’t injury related. Milton was not seeing anything. Watch this safety creeping into become a sixth lineman as Corum is running the other way:

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Our data on McNamara are 10 drives versus Rutgers, and two each against Wisconsin and Penn State. Our memories converted all of that into this:

Immediately followed by this.

Those are indeed consecutive plays. This was two plays later.

And this one play after that.

His next drive was three inaccurate throws, and the last wasn’t charted. Your brain also wiped out this throw because it conflicts with the hot take about Erick All.

What none of those show is an NFL arm. McNamara has to be that good because he doesn’t have a cannon, and that puts a ceiling on what they can do. Nobody got a week to prepare for McNamara before. Now he will get hunted by zone defenders.

McNamara says bring it on. Brian said on the pod you have to be a Tom Brady or Drew Brees-level savant to make that work. Those guys also happen to be two of the most success quarterbacks in history because they are savants. I’m not putting McNamara in that category; I am arguing that picking up subtle cues the defense gives you before and after the snap can make quarterbacking look easy.

And as I said on the pod, the lower ceiling should not be mistaken for a low ceiling. Michigan didn’t get a chance to design the offense around his strengths either. He was a four-star who obliterated Nevada’s high school records. If he’s passed by J.J. McCarthy this year or next, I think the chances are higher that’s a good thing not a benched thing. The evidence against that take is mostly “Well look what happened to all the dead quarterbacks before.” I’m not going to predict Michigan’s going to injure their starter the first game of the season (Patterson 2019), or first Big Ten game (Speight 2017) or two games before Ohio State (Speight 2016) or the first drive against Ohio State (Rudock 2015). The cosmic bad luck is just that.

Also the receiving corps could be as productive (if not as talented) as Ohio State's. Ronnie Bell is a star, period. Cornelius Johnson and Dylan Baldwin are a guy Ohio State would take and a guy they tried to. Giles Jackson leaving is a bummer but AJ Henning might be better.

The more worrisome QB trend under Harbaugh is regression—Speight and Patterson got worse in 2017 and 2019 after solid 2016 and 2018s, and Milton slowly came apart over the course of last year. That never happened before with Harbaugh’s QBs. It might be that can all be explained by Patterson’s oblique and issues at pass protection in the other circumstances. Speaking of…

4. Is it wise to replace Ed Warinner with Sherrone Moore?

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You’re the man now. [Patrick Barron]

One of the more frightening moments of this offseason’s coaching turnover was when we learned they had jettisoned grizzled, undeniably successful OL coach Ed Warinner to promote Moore, a former Oklahoma tackle who’s been mostly appreciated at Michigan for his recruiting prowess, e.g. he landed Dax Hill, but has never coached OL before.

The insiders have made it loudly clear($) that the players are very happy with the change. Brian said on the podcast yesterday that he doesn’t care what the players think. What we left unsaid is offensive line coach is really one of the few positions on a football team where your recruiting ability matters less than your ability to coach, because linemen usually need two or three years of development before they’re ready to be judged on the field, and anyway the position (except for elite tackles) is much harder to rate than others.

No doubt the 60-year-old Warinner is an excellent OL coach, especially with centers. He left a trail of them from Army to Air Force to Kansas, Illinois, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Minnesota. At each stop he was named an OC or co-OC before he left. It’s doubtful he’s going to remain long at FAU. Also there is no question whatsoever that Cesar Ruiz became the player he was so quickly at Michigan because of Warinner’s coaching.

It’s very likely Harbaugh was in a spot where he knew Warinner was the better coach but the players didn’t like him. I could also see why Moore might be integral to everyone keeping their jobs—would you chance losing Dax?—and looking to move up from TE coach, putting Michigan in a tight position.

Warinner also left Michigan with a trail of unused eligibility at the position he worked with most. I learned at the start of 2019 that Ruiz wasn’t planning on returning. Stephen Spanellis transferred the same offseason, and then sniped at his old coach from Twitter. Zach Carpenter took off when last year ended and was enrolling at Indiana before Michigan had a chance to talk him out of it. I would be more inclined to believe in Andrew Vastardis if the program hadn’t spent spring and most of fall trying to move true sophomore Zak Zinter over.

I got my tongue tied up on the podcast while trying to convince Brian that Moore deserves a chance. What I wanted to say is he’s done an excellent job on the coaching front—we were talking about using Erick All at receiver until Moore taught him how to block. Also the coaching Warinner gave the current group is still there. I’m not thrilled either about handing this position over long-term to a first-timer, but the effects of that are uncertain and down the road. The loss of Warinner shouldn’t affect Michigan any more this year than it did  2017 Ohio State, or 2012 Notre Dame.

5. Will they get to use these running backs?

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Step 1: GET THE FURK OUT OF HIS WAY [Fuller]

How they want to use them isn’t a mystery. Running back is a fairly simple scout for fans, especially Michigan’s running backs. There’s truth to the “Thunder/Lightning” concept, as discussed here by Brett Kollman when the Saints had great big mauling guards and a pair of RBs with very different styles.

It cannot be repeated enough: Hassan Haskins put up 6.15 YPC despite the state of last year’s offense, and that offense spending almost half of its downs either in passing downs or trailing too late to run. And he earned those yards, both when the maulers got him the first chunk, and when he had to do it himself.

How do you stay tethered to your Michigan fandom when things are falling apart? Watch that play above. You can watch it again and get upset that Gattis’s motion with Ronnie Bell didn’t fool the Spartans anymore than the Badgers in the example earlier if you really want to be miserable. That play is the reason my first NIL purchase was this guy’s jersey. Other guys are going to have to step up, but Zach Charbonnet is an excellent running back who didn’t have a role at Michigan anymore because he was going to be stuck behind this guy. This that annoy us about this program—like they run the Wildcat but never seem practiced enough at it—work anyway because of Hassan.

And once you’re sick of getting pounded outside the whole thing changes. This is actually some botched blocking at the frontside by Michigan’s TEs and OL. It works anyway because Corum is too fast and too sharp.

Ideally you use both of these guys in the same drive, softening up the defense then forcing them to deal with Corum in space. People who played football understand better than those of us who didn’t or didn’t play enough: getting hit sucks. It wears you out. The way you stop a good thunder/lightning is you don’t let them get started.

Last year Michigan would often go on long drives then come up short near the end zone. The three-and-outs came when they either blew something terribly, or when they got behind so much they had to throw 75% of the time or more. Indiana brought a zillion cornerback blitzes to force Michigan to pass on first down.

The other thing they can do is throw to them when they’re wide open, on the plays you designed for just that purpose. Corum is too fast for linebackers to stay with him…

…and if he starts taking away defensive backs, Michigan has the receivers who should be able to feast. If running wheels tires Corum out a bit, throw in Donovan Edwards for a spell. Or go back to Haskins.

Last year did seem a bit crowded with four, but the real reason they didn’t get fed wasn’t the roles, it was that Michigan wasn’t throwing to them when they had the chance, and then Michigan was down by two scores and had to throw. To me, that’s just a way to turn a glowingly positive depth chart into another negative. If your heart is struggling this pre-season to find its way back under the banner, my advice is to pick one of these guys to be your dude, and follow him.

5b. Well?

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Had there been a spring practice to watch it’s plausible we could be hyped for this offense. I can’t state this enough: the decision not to broadcast a spring game was a decision somewhere between boneheaded and catastrophic for a program whose fans are already short on tethers keeping us from the state Brian’s fallen into. A spring game is football minus strategy. The players are easy to like and the thing that most bothers us about their offense is coaches have been consistently botching strategy since 2017.

Unless you’re being purposefully negative about McNamara or think Stueber's ceiling as a pass protector is a huge deal, the biggest complaints about the offense have nothing to do with the talent on offense. It’s the coaching. The running backs are great, and even if you don’t buy that having defined roles is better than having Chris Evans and Zach Charbonnet around, those carries go to Hassan Haskins, a year older Corum, and maybe some Donovan Edwards. The linemen seem fine but the elder coaching them is gone. The design of the offense makes sense but they stop running it in the middle of games. They can’t seem to settle on being one thing and staying that thing for a season. Harbaugh can’t get a quarterback (since Rudock, not counting Patterson’s 2018).

So, the coaches are on thin ice. McNamara is going to be fine or else he’s going to surrender his job to a 5-star true freshman whose projected takeoff point is next year. Their third option is a beat up Big XII castoff who once went throw for throw with Kyler Murray as a freshman. The running backs are great. The receivers haven’t shown it as much (or at least not at this level) but all the arrows there are pointing up. The line gets a Wile E. Coyote year before we really find out if Moore can develop guys. We’re down to can the coaches get out of their own way, and I don’t know. I’m willing to ride it out with Harbaugh but if they run one more read play that isn’t a read I might just turn on him too.

The lack of a spring game is the reason I can’t defend him anymore. The fans who don’t care weren’t going to care. The fans who want to care need reasons believe. Maybe a Western Michigan game can do that. That often seems to do the trick.

I had to go through all of these and significantly downgrade them so I wouldn’t come out insanely positive. The things that could sink this offense are:

  1. Missed protections inside. Vastardis wasn't great at this last year but a 6th year guy should be alright. The dropoff from him to sliding Zinter inside or going with a freshman could be steep.
  2. McNamara getting hurt and having to dumb down the offense to get JJ comfortable.
  3. More dumb coaching.

There are a lot worse places to be in than “I hope I don’t have to play my 5-star quarterback or 6th year former walk-on returning starter at center doesn’t get hurt.” And there are all kinds of places to find upside here, like “one of Baldwin/Johnson/Wilson is more than a WR2” or “our OL isn’t all injured by game four,” or “excellent blocking TE who caught everything in his zip code as a high schooler remembers how to catch” or “McNamara is a Steely-Eyed Missile Man” or “For once Michigan just runs their offense all year.” Michigan can take a hit to any of the other four OL positions, receiver, or running back and be fine. If optimism didn’t sound insane, you could almost be optimistic.

BETTER

  • Any semblance of a QB run game >> Milton 2020 UNLESS THIS COACHING STAFF ACTUALLY LIKES PUNCHING ITSELF IN THE FACE. DO YOU? LIKE PUNCHING YOURSELF IN THE FACE? STOP DOING THAT!
  • Baldwin/Johnson/Wilson >> Sainristil/soph Johnson/frosh Wilson
  • Junior Ryan Hayes > six guys at LT in six games
  • Sophomore Zinter > true freshman Zinter
  • Keegan after epic battle > Filiaga beats out various freshmen
  • 2nd year starter Vastardis > Injured 1st year starter Vastardis
  • McNamara reading a defense >> Milton reading a defense
  • McCarthy/Bowman/sophomore Villari > Freshman McNamara/Villari
  • Sophomore Corum > freshman Corum
  • Matt Weiss, Analytics Whiz Kid > Ben McDaniels
  • Mike Hart+more carries for Corum/Haskins > Too Many Cooks

PUSH

  • Ronnie Bell == Ronnie Bell
  • AJ Henning == Giles Jackson
  • Stueber at RT == Mayfield/Stueber at RT
  • Not having a fullback == BEN MASON screwing up assignments as a TE
  • All & Schoonmaker == Eubanks & All
  • OL like their coach == OL hate their coach
  • Harbaugh+Gattis coaching for their lives == Harbaugh+Gattis

WORSE

  • McNamara’s arm <<< Milton’s arm
  • First-time OL coach << OL coach w excellent 25-year resume
  • True freshman or Zinter is backup at C < Carpenter

LAST YEAR’S STUPID PREDICTIONS

I’m grading lightly because these were Brian’s not mine.

Milton has a better YPA and completion percentage than Patterson (8.0 and 56%, respectively) last year but throws 50% more INTs per attempt.

Milton had 7.6 YPA and a completion percentage a half point (56.7%) higher than Patterson’s. His INT rate was 2.8% while Patterson+50% would have been 3.1%, or one more interception. Since opponents dropped two I can think of off the top of my head we’ll give Brian half a point.

Ronnie Bell is the clear leader in targets and has 85 yards per game there; the competition for the #2 spot is a complete free-for-all that sees four or five different guys in a relatively tight band.

Bell had 67 yards per game and 42 targets, followed by Cornelius Johnson (28), Erick All (25) Giles Jackson (22), Mike Sainristil (17) and Roman Wilson (14). Full point.

Between Giles Jackson and Chris Evans, spread H is a real thing. Combined they average 5 catches a game.

Jackson was their starting slot receiver but did most slot receiver things, and Chris Evans was a running back who got 8 targets. Together they averaged 4 catches a game. If you throw in AJ Henning I’ll concede the point, but only because 5 catches a game was a low bar to clear for Spread H being a thing.

The offensive line is a B+ unit with a couple guys PFF loves.

PFF loved Andrew Stueber. Everyone else gets an incomplete because nobody else made it through a six-game season.

Erick All is the leading receiver amongst TEs.

Eubanks started the year hurt and replaced All when he returned. In the end Eubanks had 10 catches for 117 yards on his 12 targets to All’s 12 catches for 82 yards on 25 targets. That prediction was not about All having a crappy year that edged Eubanks on one volume statistic so no points.

Ben Mason emerges as a short-yardage snowplow once again, this time as the lead blocker. There's a two-back package that features him and gives the business to the first team that sees it.

This is absolutely true in the absolute worst way it could be. They had him playing an H-back role that’s a quasi-TE. There was a two-back pistol package that featured him, and it gave the business to the first team (Minnesota) that saw it. Then he started screwing up his assignments against MSU and it was shelved.

No SP+ prediction this year because the lack of nonconference games is likely to throw that system for a loop; I will assert that the offense will be better overall than last year's, which finished 21st.

Michigan finished 42nd so no.

THIS YEAR’S STUPID PREDICTIONS

  • McNamara is an opponent-variant (kills bad teams, struggles vs good secondaries) QB who matches Patterson’s 8.0 YPC but with a completion % much closer to 70 than 50. He starts every game that he isn’t injured.
  • We still see J.J. McCarthy in a competitive situation. He makes at least one throw that’s bonkers and at least two things that are only excusable for a freshman.
  • Blake Corum and Hassan Haskins get about equal carries, suppressing each others’ bids for all-conference, and we think that is unfair.
  • Corum sees an uptick in his target rate, but it’s still not enough because Michigan doesn’t throw a lot of RB screens.
  • Ronnie Bell remains the clear leader in targets and finishes the year just under 1,000 yards. Cornelius Johnson has more targets, yards, and TDs than Daylen Baldwin, but Baldwin leads the team in yards per target.
  • The running game is right-handed. Their favorite plays are Pin & Pull and split zone behind Stueber/Zinter.
  • The offensive line does some 2019-style face-mashing but has too many 2016-style interior protection breakdowns that prevent it from being more than B+ unit. PFF grades Stueber higher than Zinter; MGoBlog is the reverse. Vastardis grades out the lowest to both.
  • Erick All is a secret weapon as a blocker and his drops go away, but he’s not the contested catch maven we hoped he would be.
  • Josh Gattis isn’t back next year. Mike Hart is.

Comments

yossarians tree

August 31st, 2021 at 12:20 PM ^

In the podcast it was mentioned that Michigan does not have a fullback. On the roster. Nor do they have a quarterback (McNamara) who can really threaten to pull on the option and run it. He can do it, but he's not scaring anyone. Seems like this offense is predicated on using the read-option to help even out the numbers up front.

My question is how does a team run effectively with 5 OL and a TE against an 8-man box without a fullback?

Serious question and I'm all ears on answers. IMO this team has the RB and OL talent to be a dominant rushing attack, but nobody can run it against a stacked box.

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2021 at 2:19 PM ^

You bet. Michigan hasn't done well executing in those situations in recent years... but if Cade can make the right reads, he can slice defenses like that to ribbons until they're forced to stop doing it. Then you start running, and it's in to 6-man boxes. 

(Also, you have to have an OC willing to design the offense to do that and make the calls. It's on Gattis to punish this stuff). 

pure_michigan_

August 31st, 2021 at 3:27 PM ^

If your opponent stacks the box with 8, and you have 6 blockers, and you're running an RPO, you have 3 receivers (+ the TE) on the field (5 OL, 1 TE, 1 QB, 1 RB, 3 WR). That means those 3 WRs are single covered. You're gonna run 3 Go routes and find A.J. Henning for 60 yards and / or a TD 75% of the time there with no safety help. No defense is gonna do that.

m1jjb00

August 31st, 2021 at 12:32 PM ^

Prediction: This is the most insane thing I read all week: "Also the receiving corps might be as good (if not as talented) as Ohio State's. "

Question: Why Vastardis and not Zinter?  Which reason?

1.  Zinter can't or isn't ready to handle the mental load at center.

2.  Vastardis has improved, and it's unreasonable to expect a better OL w/o him at center.

3.  Max(Jones, Barnhart) not good enough.

DonAZ

August 31st, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

It's always been my understanding that the center is the one who calls the offensive blocking for the play, and that requires a fair bit of head-savvy to do well.  Maybe (I'm just guessing) Vastardis is better at that part.  Zinter is too good to leave off the field, so they have him at guard.

michengin87

August 31st, 2021 at 2:09 PM ^

I think it's more #2.  Vastardis has gained some weight and strength.  This is his 4th year on the line and 2nd starting.  He's a team captain and will have 2 strong guards next to him.

As well, he presents the least risk in making mistakes.  I think they really wanted Zinter to win the job but in total Vastardis probably provides the best overall line right now.

Finally, one of the 2 freshman centers may be stepping into that role next year rather than Zinter as well.

A State Fan

August 31st, 2021 at 12:40 PM ^

I think Michigan's offense overall will be fine. Too many bullets in the chamber for them all to be duds. I do think Moore as the OL coach is an enormous risk.

I really take issue with this:

What I wanted to say is he’s done an excellent job on the coaching front—we were talking about using Erick All at receiver until Moore taught him how to block

 Because All being a receiver who couldn't block was the exact opposite of his recruiting profile.

Hello post: https://www.mgoblog.com/content/hello-erick-all
FBO on him: https://www.mgoblog.com/content/future-blue-originals-erick-all
Recruiting recap: https://www.mgoblog.com/content/2019-recruiting-erick-all

ALL mention how he's a extremely physical and willing blocker. Moore probably deserves some credit for translating that to the field, but how much? Moore played OL in 2007, hasn't officially coached it at any level since then.

I'm still salty from when Dantonio didn't hire Warinner as OC, so maybe I think too highly of Warinner. But it seems like everyone is accepting "oh yeah that'll be a coaching downgrade" a little too easily.

Jmer

August 31st, 2021 at 12:56 PM ^

There have been whispers that not only did the players not like Warinner, but also other coaches found him incredible hard to deal with. Rumors have swirled that there was a lot of friction in the coaching staff last year between our safeties coach being MIA and Warinner rubbing people the wrong way.

bronxblue

August 31st, 2021 at 1:01 PM ^

It is telling that Warinner has bounced around a fair bit and in each instance people don't seem particularly shaken up about his departure.  I think he's a good coach but the line looked bad last year and it wasn't all just injuries and COVID-19.  

DonAZ

August 31st, 2021 at 1:08 PM ^

I worked with a guy (in IT, not football) who was incredibly abrasive, but his knowledge and skill more than offset that.  In other words, he was a pain the ass, but it was worth it given what else he brought to the table.

I also worked with guys who were incredibly abrasive, but without the same positives.  Those guys didn't last long.  In other words, they didn't bring enough to the table to make their sh*t worth putting up with.

I'm guessing Warinner fell into that later category: very good, but not great; and not great enough to offset the negatives.

bronxblue

August 31st, 2021 at 1:13 PM ^

I get a sense that Warinner was also probably better years ago in terms of coaching; he's 60 years old right now and after losing a bunch of guys to the NFL I can see how it may be hard to start over again with a bunch of inexperienced guys.  Warinner may well have a lot of good years left in him (I have no idea how FIU, where he landed, will look this year), but Brian saying he doesn't care what the players thought about him being their coach is was sort of a shitty way to disregard people who have actually worked with someone's feelings over your probably-unsubstantiated reverence for a guy who some years ago was better than Tim Drevno at picking up stunts.

HollywoodHokeHogan

August 31st, 2021 at 3:57 PM ^

I think you’re ignoring some nuance here.  I’m sure Brian cares in the sense that he’d rather have the players be happier with their coach than not.  But he, rightfully, doesn’t care about the players feelings as a predictor of success, because it’s a pretty crappy predictor.  There are tons of managers that everybody loves initially and then it turns out they can’t manage or coach for shit. There are tons of coaches that players don’t really like at first that nonetheless  produce good results.

 

I will, add, however, that a coach like Warriner who was producing good results but still had everyone hating him is never long for this world.  In those circumstances the good performance just isn’t sustainable.  People are going to say fuck this guy and you’ll lose talent and effort.   

bronxblue

August 31st, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^

Sure, but Warinner had only been here 3 years.  He inherited virtually everyone who played significant minutes under his tenure, and so it's perhaps telling that the guys who were around him longest and that he brought in weren't heartbroken to see him go.  And to say nothing of that fact the line was pretty bad last year with guys who recruited to a degree that wasn't just bad injury luck.  Again, I get that COVID likely wreaked havoc as well developing cohesion with a young line and limited practice, but I do think the idea that Warinner was an OL whisperer going forward was ignoring evidence that perhaps his best days were behind him AND he was difficult to work with.

Gohokego

August 31st, 2021 at 6:18 PM ^

We have at times said the players look disinterested on the field and don't seem to be playing as hard as we think they should be. 

If they have a coach that they'll run through a wall for, is that better then a coach they dislike and possibly tune him out? If they dislike him and aren't playing balls to the wall and actually taking to his coaching, this could be a great move. 

He's also getting older and maybe not relating to the players as well anymore?

I'm looking forward to a more energized line this year and moving people off the ball. 

stephenrjking

August 31st, 2021 at 2:27 PM ^

Not the first year we've seen some signs of friction in the coaching staff. But, let's face it: Lots of staffs surely have friction in them.

I'm troubled by the X's and O's challenge of losing Warinner, who was clearly good at what he did, but I accept the explanation that it was something that needed to happen to keep the room happy (as others have observed, this isn't the first place that Warinner has left, and places like OSU seemed rather ok with it when it happened), and that it might be worth the tradeoff in coaching to keep your players onside. 

I was talking with a friend of mine who observed, from afar, the high number of Michigan transfers, and asked me about them. And I'll be honest: I was surprised we didn't have more key guys leave. Yes, guys left--they leave every year, and while I am critical of Harbaugh's roster management, it is also true that he recruits planning ahead of time for guys that don't get on the field to transfer--but apart from Jackson and Carpenter (the latter of whom, in particular, was a blow) the guys we lost weren't crucial to this year's team. (Except, from a recruiting standpoint, the brother of a key recruit we lost, perhaps).

I mean, Dax Hill stayed. In a sinking ship scenario I figured he'd be gone. So I buy the idea that this was a "keep the room in order" decision... and if so, that says something smart about Harbaugh. IMO.

Seth

August 31st, 2021 at 1:09 PM ^

"Willing and physical blocker" is not what got All graded highly at blocking. He targeted the right guys. His footwork was impeccable. These were not traits I thought of from him as a recruit. The will to throw yourself at people and the subtleties of effective blocking are different things. The latter were definitely coached into him at Michigan.

OldBlue74

August 31st, 2021 at 12:43 PM ^

Seth - Thanks for all this.  Would you care to expand on that last prediction?  Is it:

  • The offense does so well that Gattis get hired away from the program?
  • The whole coaching staff gets nuked, except Hart is retained by Harbaugh's replacement?
  • Hart is named head coach, brooms Gattis?
  • Just checking to see if people read all the way to the end of this?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Go Blue!

Jmer

August 31st, 2021 at 12:52 PM ^

Pretty sure that is Seth's point. He can be right about it whether the offense finally booms or continues to bust. 

If the offense is bad again but the team as a whole posts a respectable record, Gattis is gone but Harbaugh is retained and Hart stays.

If the wheels fall off and we're completely horrible, Harbaugh and Gattis are both gone but the most likely coach to be retained by a new staff would be Hart.

If the offense explodes and puts up video game numbers, Gattis gets a head job somewhere and Hart stays on staff. 

Don

August 31st, 2021 at 7:38 PM ^

“If the wheels fall off and we're completely horrible, Harbaugh and Gattis are both gone but the most likely coach to be retained by a new staff would be Hart.”

If the wheels truly fall off and we’re so horrible that Harbaugh is fired, there is no way in hell that Mike Hart, or any other assistant, is going to be retained by whoever is hired to replace Harbaugh. Mike Hart’s coaching resume isn’t so golden that it will protect him.

Seth

August 31st, 2021 at 8:54 PM ^

Disagree. Hart can't (and won't) screw up the RBs enough to warrant getting rid of him, and he and Bellamy are the most natural guys on this staff to keep around to maintain some continuity. Even Rich Rod kept Fred Jackson. I think people are crazy for saying Hart head coach or Hart OC at this point in his career, but he's going to get more than one year at Michigan to coach RBs because there isn't someone out there who's better.

Gulogulo37

September 2nd, 2021 at 10:40 AM ^

I don't think there's any chance Gattis gets a head job somewhere next year. I think it'd be insane at least. 3 years at OC, the first 2 being major disappoinments, and you hire him to be the head guy off of one good season? That would also suck if that's actually what happened. Just when Gattis finds his footing he's gone.

DeepBlueC

August 31st, 2021 at 12:52 PM ^

The strategy of “If we analyze this team down to their toenails, we’re bound to find something to be optimistic about somewhere” is a noble one, but it doesn’t really do anything for us out on the field. We know what a talented team looks like and what a not-so-talented team looks like, and we’re looking at the latter. Period. Don’t mistake finger crossing for proven performance. And be ready for a coaching search.

BlueLikeJazz

August 31st, 2021 at 2:57 PM ^

Since this is a post about the offense, I'll assume you are talking about offensive talent, and that is just such a bad take. There are 4 stars (and some borderline 5 stars) all over the field. Some of the guys who weren't (Bell, Haskins) have more than proven themselves on the field already.

You must have a very short memory if you think this offense isn't easily more talented than most we've had the last 10-15 years.

bronxblue

August 31st, 2021 at 12:58 PM ^

The festishization of arm strength has always annoyed me, and it crystalized with Milton.  McNamara has a solid arm; his own coach said he's got more than enough arm strength of win with.  He threw perfectly well last year, fitting balls into tight areas and had more than enough pop to go deep against Wisconsin and Rutgers.  Michigan's offense is not going to be successful because 3 times a game the QB can uncork a 50+ yarder in the air; it will be successful if the QB doesn't throw it directly to the defender at least twice a game because he thinks he can muscle it to the WR.

miCHIganman1

August 31st, 2021 at 1:18 PM ^

I agree with this.  Watching the highlights, there wasn't one pass where it didn't look like the ball had the adequate amount of zip on it.  I feel like a lot of critics are acting like Cade has a similar arm to Russell Bellomy simply because he doesn't have the cannon of Joe Milton.  

bronxblue

August 31st, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

It also tracks with this idea that McNamara is "physically limited" despite the fact he's listed at 6' 1" and 212 lbs.  Looking back at the top 20 passers from last year that's the same size (or bigger) than guys like Zack Wilson, Ian Book, Sam Howell, and Dillon Gabriel.  It's also basically the same size as Shea Patterson, if you want a recent UM comp.  None of those guys had amazing athleticism yet were all successful in college, and so the idea that McNamara, the #7 pro passer coming out of HS and a guy who set a ton of state records in Nevada, is some walk-on pipsqueak because he's not as big as the Joe Milton always rubbed me the wrong way.