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Seth December 11th, 2019 at 3:50 PM

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There are a lot of answers to what happened to Michigan's defense against Ohio State. Most of it was Michigan putting Ohio State in a position where they had to execute something difficult, and Ohio State doing it anyway. Whatever they're paying JK Dobbins, KJ Hill, and Justin Fields, it's probably not half of what they deserved.

But the real killer is sometimes, especially in the second half, Michigan made some dumbass mistakes. Sometimes it was freshmen. Sometimes it was senior three-year starters. Often it was stuff they only screwed up one or two other times all season. Just for my own sanity I wanted to look again at some of these breakdowns in fundamentals, and see if they were occurring because Michigan was trying to do too much, or maybe it was just the players leaving their assignments as a calculated risk in order to make a play. And sometimes it was yes.

Take the first play of the second half. Mistakes and Ohio State's devil's luck have conspired to put Michigan in a 12-point hole. But maybe they've been able to adjust. Maybe the luck will swing the other way. Michigan just needs a stop on the first drive to make this a game again. And then…

Live, like you, I saw Khaleke Hudson and Lavert Hill run by on the edge and thought this was on them. Turns out it was McGrone. Let me explain:

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The play is what Ohio State calls "Tight Zone" because that institution is incapable of crediting ideas it got from Michigan. Its real name—almost throughout football because of its spread vector—is "Duo," a Bo base play that Harbaugh appropriated in 2015 and 2016.

[After THE JUMP: Who's to blame? Not entirely sure.]

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Duo looks like inside zone except the double-teams just keep extending, and extending, and extending, until the middle linebacker is like "What up, thanks for keeping me clean" and decides he's free to pursue the ball. The tailback's job is to lock eyes with that linebacker and make him wrong, pressing one gap and waiting until the linebacker commits, then cutting to another gap that's left open.

And the doubles create one hell of an enticing gap for that linebacker to want to fill. They don't even have to last forever; eventually the OL can release and try to cut off the linebackers. The key though is the doubles are extended until the running back can hold an unblocked LB in the wrong gap and cut away from him.

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It's a strong strategy against teams that choose to play to spill because it creates a lot of space outside to run once a linebacker commits to the gap. How do you stop it? Well, your linebackers have to be responsible, is all. That huge gap isn't the MLB's problem; it's the WLB's.

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The trouble here is the MLB doesn't trust that. In the modern spread age there are a million ways to screw with backside linebackers to ensure they're not going to get to interior run gaps before there's a ballcarrier with a head of steam and five yards are inevitable. We've detailed quite a few in these pages. Well when that happens to you enough you start to get sick of all that responsible play. There's a wide lane in front of you, a back you haven't stopped near the line of scrimmage in an hour, and for a critical moment, human that you are, you entertain the idea of "making a play."

Back to the Present

Ohio State has extended doubles on Kemp and Dwumfour, two relative weak points on Michigan's defense. All day they've been running a version of inside zone they like where they kick out a DE with their offensive tackle and let JK Dobbins pick between three inside zone gaps. Michigan's adjustment to that was basic and within the confines of their regular defense: shoot the inside gaps and spill to the outside, trusting the linebackers can get to the edge in time.

This is Ryan Day's counter move—one of them anyways. He's got an extra tight end out there, which adds Khaleke to the train of spilling defenders, and gives McGrone another gap he has to get over from his start position. Then they bring Olave in motion, which will erase Lavert Hill, and roll the safeties so the secondary won't be bothering them. Again, this should be fine: count Michigan's players to the right of the football and Ohio State's: it's even. Cam McGrone has better than safety speed, Khaleke's tough enough to stand up to tight ends, and gumming up a C gap is what guys like Aidan Hutchinson live for.

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So you might think the problem here is McGrone wasn't ready for Duo, that he got caught peeking like that Penn State MLB in 2016 and was too late getting outside. But that's not really what happened either:

We're looking now at Khaleke Hudson and how he's setting up versus the "F" tight end (#13 Rashod Berry). At the money frame it certainly looks like Khaleke is playing to spill. He came up on Berry hard, potting the TE a yard in the backfield and staying with him. However he's also outside of Berry. And then McGrone hits that D gap between Berry and the "Y" tight end (#89 Luke Farrell).

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So here's where we get into a gray area, and also where we go from me telling you what happened to me guessing what I think happened. Khaleke is hedging. His technique is right if he's spilling—it would take one hell of a play to two-gap this tight end and still cover the outside. But he's also not 100% committed to that inside lane, because why should he be when he's put Berry a yard in the backfield and there's no room inside of him to do more than run into the other TE's back. I think Hudson is trying to make a play here: subtly giving Dobbins the D gap when it's not there, or tempting the bounce to McGrone.

Well if so it backfires, because Dobbins sees the outside lane this gives up, and it's McGrone who goes wrong. I mean, we know Michigan is a spill team, but spilling is an in-play adjustment, not The Play. McGrone's job here is to watch Khaleke and "make him right." And when Khaleke makes this read less than obvious for a freshman, it's pretty clear in McGrone's mind that he's responsible for that lane between the tight ends. It doesn't occur to him that Hudson's baiting. It also doesn't occur to him that Glasgow is also unblocked, that Dwumfour has kept his double at the line of scrimmage, and that this means Glasgow is free to clean up if McGrone goes outside. That's all Linebacking 400-level stuff, not exactly the kind of thing you would expect student taking his Linebacking 100 final exam to have down.

So yeah, after diagnosing this play I'm a little mad at Khaleke, a little frustrated with McGrone, and devastated that a problem we had way back at the Wisconsin game should pop up now, against this damn team, with that damn back. If you want to blame the coaching, fine. If you want to say they didn't play as a team, Bo would agree. You can use all the complaints and blame and personal levels of acceptability you want, because what is Ohio State football good for if not justifying the most toxic possible takes on the internet.

But I hope you can see that this wasn't really players put in a position to do something they couldn't do, or that Ryan Day "got" Don Brown in RPS. That happened some, but mostly when I dissect the latest unholy atrocity of football visited upon us, what I'm seeing is sound principles falling apart for subtle, sometimes dumb reasons like this.

Comments

ColoradoBlue

December 12th, 2019 at 12:37 PM ^

In very basic terms, it's about how you're planning to direct the ball carrier and where your help is supposed to be.  If it's my job to contain the ball carrier, then I need to maintain that outside leverage on the ball and force it inside where I have other teammates who can tackle or at least constrict the ballcarrier's space.  If I fail to keep contain, bad news, because my teammates are counting on me to funnel the ballcarrier to them.  I *am* the safety net.

If I'm playing to "spill" the ball carrier, then I don't have to worry about containing the play.  I can crash inside with abandon to either make the tackle or clog up the rushing lane so that the ball carrier must bounce or "spill" to the outside... right into the arms of a teammate behind me who is in on my plan.  In some ways it is like a scrape exchange directed at a running back rather than a read-option qb, if that helps.

To my novice brain, playing to spill made a lot of sense for us in this game considering that it helped to mitigate our undersized defensive line while capitalizing on McGrone's lateral quickness.  Unfortunately, it probably does require seasoned instincts from that middle linebacker.  I'm guessing we would have been much more successful with a Bush in that scheme.  McGrone will get there.

JonnyHintz

December 11th, 2019 at 6:13 PM ^

Okay but like... the breakdown pretty much covered that. When Hudson does what he did, McGrone is supposed to read that and close on that edge. Hudson strictly setting the edge because there’s nobody to his left on every play creates a whole mess of predictability that would also be exploited by any coach worth his salt.
 

What you’re saying is that because there nobody outside Hudson, it’s his job to set the edge. Which means it’s always his job to set the edge because nobody lines up outside of the VIPER. Which essentially eliminates the usefulness of the VIPER position. 
 

As the breakdown says, Hudson decides what he’s doing, the other linebacker makes the read based on that and makes the proper adjustment. Here, Hudson didn’t commit to one choice and an inexperienced linebacker made the wrong read off of that. 

Mgoeffoff

December 11th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^

Would Ross do any better? The problem I see mounting, only against OSU-types, is there is always a hole. This year it was the DTs, inexperienced LBs, or CB. Last year it was I injuries. The year before QB. 2016 is was just dumb luck. But most years we have a weakness elite teams can exploit. To me that comes back to the difference between one of the most talented teams in the nation and the #11 team talent. We can match up at some spots, but not all of them and/or sustain injuries to key players. We have to 100% healthy and play a perfect game to beat them and probably get a little luck and that just doesn't happen very often 

SHub'68

December 11th, 2019 at 10:39 PM ^

You know it's interesting that it's been explained that it isn't talent or scheme, rather, it's plays like these. And I really want to find hope in these explanations, but I'm finding it difficult.

What really makes up elite and high-talent players? Physical ability, sure, but isn't it also the ability to 'get' things faster than other equally, or almost equally, talented players? What makes great coaching? The ability to relay things to players so they get it easier and faster?

I heard a really great explanation for why what we saw in the OSU game and against the Badgers, was not Michigan getting blown off the ball as it may have appeared. It was said that guys were actually pushing opposing OL a yard or more deep, but not using their hands, their technique, to get off blocks and make tackles. I feel confident this is true because the people saying it certainly know what they're talking about.

But I don't really find it very comforting because it sure sounds like they're saying there is either a talent gap, a coaching gap, or both. Don't we read and hear in-depth break downs in recruiting bios that detail things like a prospective recruit's technique? How they use their hands and such? How coach-able they are? Likewise, if players aren't learning these things and putting them to use on the field, it's coaching, isn't it? Or is it that we are we recruiting guys who can't seem to learn and execute proper techniques for their positions?

Maybe the issue is that we're really good schematically and at certain positions, but at others there are holes that need to be filled. A couple years ago, we upgraded the instruction at the OL, and that seems to be working. Last year, we upgraded the schematics of the offense. That seems to be working, too. We also upgraded the schematics of the defense, and adjusted more this year. If what we are being told is the case, then that also is working. Perhaps we need an upgrade to the instruction? And maybe to the ability to spot talent and potential? What are the answers here? 

MGoStrength

December 12th, 2019 at 6:57 AM ^

What really makes up elite and high-talent players? Physical ability, sure, but isn't it also the ability to 'get' things faster than other equally, or almost equally, talented players? 

Yeah, you didn't see guys like Devin Bush, Jake Ryan, Mo Hurst, etc. make those mistakes.

Maybe the issue is that we're really good schematically and at certain positions, but at others there are holes that need to be filled.

It's impossible to say what percentage of the OSU problem is coaching vs talent vs preparation etc.  But, IMHO it's more talent than anything else.  We always have a hole to be exploited by a younger or less talented player.  In the JH era the only year we close to OSU in the team talent composite was 2016 and that was the closest score.  OSU was #3 and UM was #6.  The next closest year was 2017 and that was the next closest score.  The biggest differences in team talent were the last two years and they were the worst losses.  I know that's only 5 data points that's a pretty compelling correlation.

energyblue1

December 12th, 2019 at 9:30 AM ^

Bush made that mistake last year on the long td.  He went under the crossing route and the rec squeezed down more to really kill his angle, Long TD given up by the Great Devin Bush!  One of many mistakes.  Dobbins ran for 171 the year before, which is also what made it difficult to just fix the crossing routes.  Now, the bigger issue is getting ran over taking the Lbers ability to beat the traffic to the play.  

 

TrueBlue2003

December 11th, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^

Was M slanting the entire line here?  Looks like Dwumfour did a nice job of closing the gap between the doubles such that no LB needed to plug it and the line was all slanting.

In which case that is The Play, and it would seem McGrone has a much easier decision here: no OL releasing, no A gap, Glasgow has the gap between TEs and he needs to set the edge, right?

energyblue1

December 12th, 2019 at 2:22 PM ^

The tackle was able to scrape to McGrone.  Once he did, McGrone was caught in traffic and coudln't get to the bounce.  That's why he isn't close on the pursuit.  The way the Oline was getting to the second level the staff should have told the contain defender to set the edge, don't spill cause we can't cover it. 

Hudson and Ambry should have made this play.  Dobbins held McGrone just long enough for the tackle to scrape, seeing the inside plugged Dobbins bounces and McGrone can't cut him off with his angle now.  If McGrone flows with Dobbins seeing the Tackle scrape he risks an inside cut back which was killing them early, but he didn't see Dwumfor get the position on the guard to know he could cover the spill.  One thing after another this game and it started with the DT's getting worked all game long.  So even the plays they won their battle, it still cost them. 

Jevablue

December 11th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^

Thanks for the write up. In my simple world I’d leave contain to the guy already in that area code (Hudson).  But, I’ve come to appreciate that spread offenses force a high level of complexity on the defensive schemes.  Looking at the last still shot you had without already knowing the outcome, I would have guessed they had that play well defended.  Hard not to look at that and the Wisconsin debacle and not think it was mostly mental.  To me the most ridiculous thing about the game was they only needed to complete 14 passes to go over 300 yds. Oh well. 

The Homie J

December 11th, 2019 at 6:34 PM ^

Yeah, it sure would be nice if a Michigan football blog site would dissect the biggest game of the year so we as fans wouldn't have to rely on HAWT TAKES about why we keep being pummeled in the face.

But I get it, why do the thing you do all season except for THAT GAME when you could simply blame academics and online courses?

clarkiefromcanada

December 11th, 2019 at 5:10 PM ^

There are a lot of answers to what happened to Michigan's defense against Ohio State. Most of it was Michigan putting Ohio State in a position where they had to execute something difficult, and Ohio State doing it anyway. Whatever they're paying JK Dobbins, KJ Hill, and Justin Fields, it's probably not half of what they deserved.

Again this week Seth throws down the gauntlet. 

 

brose

December 11th, 2019 at 5:37 PM ^

EVERYONE KNEW that if Michigan was to win they would need to do the following:

1. Play relatively mistake free/sound football

2. force OSU into making some mistakes 

3. Win the turnover battle

 

they did none of those...Mich. only had a few mistakes and seemingly everyone was punished 

 

We will get them next year - or so I tell myself

 

BlueTimesTwo

December 12th, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^

By the time that The Game rolls around, OSU is typically cemented into being the B1G's only hope for having a playoff team.  With that being the backdrop, I don't expect to get the benefit of the doubt from the refs, and certainly not on the road.  That's not why we lost this year, but it certainly didn't help.  The margin for error is razor thin against OSU.

jbrandimore

December 11th, 2019 at 6:57 PM ^

I am going to apologize for this probably ignorant and naive take, but not knowing that much about X’s and O’s, this is what I take from your post.

Please correct me where I’m wrong.

Spill technique means using the sideline as an extra defender and forcing run action into the sideline.

The formation and strategy ask McGrone to end up being the defender that is closest to the sideline.

At the snap, McGrone and Dobbins are roughly equidistant from the sideline.

While McGrone might be faster than RBs put on the field by Rutger, NW and a few others, he’s not faster than Dobbins, and will never be faster than any starting RB OSU is likely ever to start. Dobbins is going to get the edge with ease. Repeatedly.

So, to me it appears we have a physics problem against OSU caused by football strategy, but it also explains why our defense works against team with lesser athletes.

Am I wrong?

 

 

ColoradoBlue

December 11th, 2019 at 11:55 PM ^

No, he doesn't have to be faster than Dobbins. 

He should not wait for Dobbins to make that outside cut before he scrapes to the edge.  The scheme is *designed* to spill the running back by crashing the interior gaps.   By the time Dobbins has received the handoff, CM should be scraping to the outside... a few frames before Dobbins has even made that cut.  He has plenty of leverage in his pre-snap alignment to get to where he needs to be.

TrueBlue2003

December 12th, 2019 at 12:46 AM ^

It's not McGrone v Dobbins.  The DL has done a good enough job of holding up to doubles such that it's McGrone and Glasgow v Dobbins.

Problem is, McGrone didn't see the gaps (lackthereof) well enough to recognize Glasgow had the gap he stuck himself into and that he should have beat Dobbins around the edge which he could have easily done because Dobbins sets him up in that gap and then cuts which gives him plenty of time to say, I dare you to keep coming up this gap, I'm going outside.

Mongo

December 11th, 2019 at 7:01 PM ^

There is a possible element of RPS here, however.  Meaning the ham-blasting our DTs took in the first half may have sucked guys to the middle in presumed help (halftime adjustment).  The play call by OSU may have been designed to expose that possible adjustment by Brown at half time.  

AlbanyBlue

December 11th, 2019 at 8:37 PM ^

Another excellent installment of this.....thanks.

Count me in as someone who wants to see UFRs for everything, win or lose. Best thing on a site full of good things.

I can understand Brian not wanting to analyze that though.....I get it.....

brick9

December 11th, 2019 at 8:56 PM ^

This is either poor technique by Hudson or a blown assignment by McGrone. Since I don’t know which is true without knowing the play call I’ll address both. 
 

If Hudson is trying to bait Dobbins without having a contain defender or someone to spill to, then he needs to not squeeze and play the block head up while keeping his outside arm free. This makes Dobbins bouncing far less likely as Hudson would have leverage and the more enticing and direct path would be the inside gap which Cam would be in position to deal with. So baiting would be 1. A single player trying to make a play and undisciplined. 2. Unnecessary in any scheme. 
 

If the scheme/play calls for Hudson to spill this and Cam is trying to help out or make a play, this would be 1. A single player trying to make a play and undisciplined. 2. Unnecessary in any scheme. 
 

Coach Brown has to do a better job of coaching his players to do their job and not trying to make a play. If everyone executes their assignments, this play like so many others would be stopped for minimal gain. this is why other teams with less talent can hold O St to fewer points and not give up so many big plays. Discipline. 

brick9

December 11th, 2019 at 8:56 PM ^

This is either poor technique by Hudson or a blown assignment by McGrone. Since I don’t know which is true without knowing the play call I’ll address both. 
 

If Hudson is trying to bait Dobbins without having a contain defender or someone to spill to, then he needs to not squeeze and play the block head up while keeping his outside arm free. This makes Dobbins bouncing far less likely as Hudson would have leverage and the more enticing and direct path would be the inside gap which Cam would be in position to deal with. So baiting would be 1. A single player trying to make a play and undisciplined. 2. Unnecessary in any scheme. 
 

If the scheme/play calls for Hudson to spill this and Cam is trying to help out or make a play, this would be 1. A single player trying to make a play and undisciplined. 2. Unnecessary in any scheme. 
 

Coach Brown has to do a better job of coaching his players to do their job and not trying to make a play. If everyone executes their assignments, this play like so many others would be stopped for minimal gain. this is why other teams with less talent can hold O St to fewer points and not give up so many big plays. Discipline. 

TennesseeMaize

December 11th, 2019 at 9:04 PM ^

If the defensive scheme becomes too complex for 19 year olds to execute, then maybe a more simplified (Greg Mattison) approach would be more effective? 
 

too many decisions in the heat of battle will only exploit weaknesses and create confusion.

rc90

December 11th, 2019 at 11:23 PM ^

Good God, Metellus was 15 yards off the LOS when the handoff was made, and it looks like he was still backing up a full second after the handoff. That turned an 8-yard gain into a 45-yard gain.

Don't ask me if that's RPS, but there's your second symptom of lacking cohesion.

AC1997

December 12th, 2019 at 12:01 AM ^

Thank you Seth for providing some level of analysis and content.  I know OSU is playing by different rules with better players and the devil's horseshoe lodged up their butt.....yet I want to know about what happened and why.  I know that a significant majority of the best recruits go to just five schools.....so what hope do the rest of us have?  How do we keep this game close into the fourth quarter to give us a shot? 

The play you reviewed here, and many others, illustrate what I believe the be the primary issue.  OSU's talent is such that any mistake is punished with ruthlessness.  This wasn't a medium run because he screwed up, it was a long run that set up a score.  When we blew a coverage it wasn't a first down, it was a touchdown.  I do think we can cut down on a lot of these mistakes, but I don't know if that will be enough.

My theory is that you need elite talent in the trenches to give yourself a shot.  Force their QB off their spot.  Force their RB to react earlier.  Don't let yourself get bulldozed for two yards by the OL across from you.  

energyblue1

December 12th, 2019 at 9:34 AM ^

The Dline got beat again and the guard scraped right to McGrone cutting his read time in half.  Hence the wrong read and when spilling the play, ie something they know we do they are counting on the oline making the play.  The interior got jammed but since they got to McGrone and Hudson spilled rather than set the edge the play was lost.  The corner was a bit lazy to fill as well and didn't attack which really could have stopped the play as well.  The difference in 2016 we didn't spill that play, the Lber set the edge and the corner beat the block so there was no bounce.  If the rb did bounce it was more likely a loss than a gain. 

Tex_Ind_Blue

December 12th, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^

It looks like a practice time issue. More deliberate practice and film study will make these players improve. 

There is hope. But Michigan has to find time for more practice. NCAA mandated time is not enough. 

Carpetbagger

December 12th, 2019 at 10:12 AM ^

I don't disagree with this analysis. But here is the thing for Don Brown. He can be 100% right in his defense design and playcalls but if his players can't execute it's still on him.

In a business if you design a process that 30% of your users can't figure out how to use, it's not on the users, it's on you. This is no different.

Last point here, this is really the first year in this system. Prior to this year Brown had Hoke's and Mattison's guys. Lots of square pegs in round holes. It looked to me we took a step back in the 'first' year. However, there could be a big step forward in the 'sophomore' year of this defense.