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Michigan State 81, Michigan 62 Comment Count

Alex.Drain January 31st, 2024 at 12:30 AM

In a rivalry that once featured future oodles of first round picks and viable NBA players, the first of two 2023-24 Michigan/Michigan State Men's Basketball matchups went down tonight without any intrigue or pizzaz. A firmly mediocre basketball team played a bad basketball team. The mediocre squad missed shots in the first half while the bad one knocked 'em down, before the better team eventually won out without much fanfare. Little in the way of awesome talent or skill was on display tonight, an unsatisfactory reminder of how far this rivalry has fallen from its 2012-14 era heydays. There's no question, though, that Michigan has fallen much farther, and they were on the losing end of an 81-62 second half rout. 

Michigan headed into Breslin Center tonight to face MSU without PG Dug McDaniel, who missed the third of six away games he will be suspended for, ostensibly so he can sit at home and do homework due to academic issues. The heavily favored Spartans, who have had a choppy season of their own, played from behind most of the first half, as the hot-shooting Wolverines built up an early edge. They shouldered two quick fouls on Olivier Nkamhoua to lead 8-5 at the under 16 media timeout, with Jaelin Llewellyn, playing the PG spot in place of McDaniel, leading the way offensively. Llewellyn hit a three and made a jumper inside to build the lead up to 15-8, and then they got the most unlikely shot of the night, a Tarris Reed Jr. three at the end of the shot clock, which amazingly went down. 

The Wolverines shot the ball well in the early going, not just Llewellyn and that Reed three, but Tray Jackson got involved with a couple buckets off drives to the hoop. Michigan's offense was fighting it a bit with turnovers, but the shots they were putting up were generally going down, as Terrance Williams II and Olivier Nkamhoua both swished two-point jumpers. The lead was 35-28 after a Llewellyn three when MSU made a strong late-half charge, a Malik Hall lay-in off the window, followed by a Llewellyn miss at the other end leading to AJ Hoggard getting fouled. Hoggard strolled to the line for a one-and-one, missed the front end, snatched his own rebound, scored on a layup and was fouled, hitting the FT to complete the three point play. 35-33. 

 

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That was the score at halftime, as Michigan closed the half with a miss from Williams, who was cold from deep again in this one, but a strong defensive sequence by Tray Jackson and Reed preserved the lead on the final possession. Jackson swatted a Hoggard three after dogged defense from Reed on Tyson Walker forced a kick out to Hoggard. Michigan led by two at the break but were doing it on 60.9% shooting from the floor, 5/9 from three. Getting that level of shooting success, yet only leading by a lone bucket, didn't feel great considering the shooting clips screamed "unsustainable". As it turned out, it was unsustainable. 

Michigan's second half lead didn't last long, really nothing more than a blink of an eye. Michigan got the half's first points, a Nimari Burnett triple following a Mady Sissoko missed hook. That put Michigan ahead 38-33 and it was all downhill from there, with the Spartans ripping off an 11-1 run to seize control of the game, control they'd never relinquish. The biggest change in the second-half for MSU was a willingness to attack in transition, a defensive weakness for Michigan in recent games (well, honestly, everything is a defensive weakness these days). The Spartans had few opportunities to run out in transition in the first half, but then started tearing Michigan apart on the break in the second, including an AJ Hoggard layup that helped get the run going. Tyson Walker's fast-break layup gave MSU their first lead of the half and then a corner three from Jaden Akins forced Juwan Howard to call timeout. Both the Walker layup and the Akins three came off Michigan turnovers, as the offense ground to a halt without the ringleader McDaniel to help facilitate it. 

The Wolverines were back on their heels but couldn't find their footing after the timeout. Burnett bricked a three and MSU kept it going, adding a hook shot from Malik Hall and another three from Akins, who was red-hot from deep all night. The lead was now 49-39 MSU and Sparty had made eight consecutive FG attempts at this point. After this point, Michigan began to find some footing on offense, Williams finally making a triple to snap the skid and cut the lead to seven, but the Michigan defense continued to hemorrhage points. The Maize & Blue were never able to consistently get stops as MSU lit them up for 48 points in the second half(!). Without stops, the small offensive gains they made were offset and eventually buried by the unstoppable Spartan offense. 

 

[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

The score remained reasonable, 56-46 MSU, at the under 12 timeout, but before long the lead was up into the teens and high double digits. AJ Hoggard found Tyson Walker on the fast break, who made the layup and was fouled. Even the Michigan makes, like a Llewellyn three not long after, were quickly erased, as Llewellyn's triple was negated by an MSU corner three to restore a 15 point edge. Slowly but surely the lead was built up to an insurmountable margin and as the air of competitiveness slipped away, the Michigan defense got increasingly sloppy. Juwan Howard's attempts at employing a 2-3 zone bore no fruits and one clip that went viral showed Olivlier Nkamhoua making very little effort to close out on yet another Akins three, something that color broadcaster Robbie Hummel noticed (and criticized) live. 

The Michigan offense was also a problem, the hot shooting becoming colder than Antarctica, as Michigan shot 25% from the floor in the second half and they finished with more turnovers than field goals made in the second half(!!). They did score 12 at the free throw line, but on 22 attempts, a dismal 54.5%. Without Dug McDaniel's electric penetration ability, there was no go-to function for the offense. Williams was the most effective scorer, but he made three total field goals on six attempts. Every starter was at least a -16 in the second half and time ticked away on a comfortable MSU win, punctuated by a humiliating ending sequence when Michigan managed to have a ball intercepted on a 4v1 rush down the floor(!!!), which turned into an easy layup for AJ Hoggard, who received the pass from the thief Tre Holloman. Those were the game's final points, making the score 81-62, and the final horn sounded on yet another Michigan defeat. 

Llewellyn, who did most of his damage in the first half, finished the game as Michigan's leading scorer (18 points). Williams added 14, while no one else scored in double figures for Michigan. They shot 42.6% from the field for the game and 40% from three, which is perfectly fine, but 13 turnovers and only 53.8% from the line on reasonably high volume were problems. Without McDaniel, the offense doesn't have the guns to keep up with the opponents, who score at will against Michigan's abominable defense. To that end, MSU finished the game 55.7% from the floor, Akins leading the way with 23 on 7/10 from three(!), followed by Hoggard's 15, Akins and Hall with 12. 

 

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Michigan allowed MSU to score at a 1.34 PPP clip, after allowing 1.27, 1.42, and 1.27 the last three games (numbers courtesy of Dylan Burkhardt). Dug McDaniel's suspension has clearly impacted Michigan's offense in road games, but its defense is abhorrent no matter if Dug is available, having collapsed into one of the very worst units in the country among power conference teams. Their defensive rating in KenPom is down to 187th nationally, a truly astonishing figure when you consider that last year's team, even with several clunky defensive pieces and a wing who wanted no part of that end of the floor, managed to still be top 50 defensively. Since defeating St. John's, Michigan has put together the 220th ranked defense in BartTorvik.com's metrics. This is the worst Michigan defense in decades. It's quite hard to be this bad defensively with a high major roster at your disposal.  

I probably could've just said the "worst Michigan team in decades", at the very least since John Beilein's first team over 15 years ago. That this is Juwan Howard's fifth season ought to say all you need to know. Torvik now projects Michigan to finish 10-21, which would match that first Beilein team. If they win only single digit games, we'd have to go back to Bill Frieder's 1981-82 team to find a comparable. Torvik considers Michigan a favorite in just two games the rest of the season, a bad sign when the team has now lost 14 of 18 since starting the season 3-0. And then the cherry on top: with the month of January now over for the squad, we can officially say that Michigan Football won more games than Michigan Men's Basketball in January 2024. 

One of the two games Torvik does see Michigan favored in is Saturday's meeting with Rutgers, the only game that Torvik sees Michigan as a clear favorite in. The Scarlet Knights are 2-6 in conference play, 13th in the league ahead of only Michigan (2-8). Thus, this game could play a big role in determining Big Ten Tournament seeding, particularly who will finish dead-last in the conference. High stakes for early February. That game is scheduled for 4:00 PM EST and will be broadcast on BTN. 

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Comments

Hensons Mobile…

January 31st, 2024 at 6:18 AM ^

Looks like they should have defended Akins on the three.

Is this box score for real? I never thought I'd see the day when we got 26 FTs to MSU's 8 at Breslin. And we hit 14 of them. Remember that year we were really good but particularly bad at FTs? Maybe it was 2018, I'm not sure. Well, this is worse.

The halftime splits are amazing.

What's the plan here, guys.

bronxblue

January 31st, 2024 at 7:28 AM ^

Not having more than 2 ball-handling guards, plus Dug's weird academic suspension, is that they really only play one of the PGs a game because they largely have to go the full way each game.  Llewellyn is actually playing pretty well right now and a year where he spells Dug and they both play complimentary roles probably doesn't "save" these seasons but undoubtedly would have helped in close games.

Ah well.

stephenrjking

January 31st, 2024 at 8:13 AM ^

Going to be hard to keep Juwan.

For some that’s obvious, but it’s not obvious for Michigan, an athletic institution that considers itself a family. That doesn’t have a quick trigger. Never fires coaches in season, tries to be patient with them building their programs. People will argue that it shouldn’t even be a question, but remember what Michigan is as an institution and an athletic department. We may not always like it, but they are who they are, and that institutional culture just received the ultimate validation at the beginning of this month. Remember what Michigan is, for better and worse, rather than just what one thinks it should be when the basketball team spirals in the Big Ten.

But this is Juwan’s team, full stop. He has had the health setback, but it’s not a COVID year, and the pretty visible smoke from the Sanderson issue makes it clear that there’s a team culture problem perceived by at least some inside, and that explains a lot about certain issues on the floor. His players, his system, his staff. Juwan owns this.

If the decision is made to retool everything and try it again next year, it won’t be popular, but I’ll get on board with it, because Michigan is that kind of place, and it worked exceptionally well with the football program. But if it is decided that things are too far gone… well, that is not something that can’t be argued with, either. And I think the “who can you hire that’s better” question would be a lot easier to answer than it was for a coach with BCS and Super Bowls on his resume and a program with, frankly, higher expectations than basketball.

This is a lot easier to deal with this year. I feel worst for folks like @umhoops; there aren’t many, but for a few people, basketball is the biggest passion, and this is really hard to see. It’s hard for the rest of us to see, too, but tonight we can just flip on a highlight package from the Rose Bowl or something. 

 

Hensons Mobile…

January 31st, 2024 at 9:45 AM ^

They fired Ellerbe. Maybe that's a slightly different situation. Honestly can't remember but probably the department wasn't too impressed with the character of a lot of guys being brought in.

They fired Amaker. It took six years. We're in year 5 for Juwan. I'm bracing for another season of Juwan, since apparently WOTS is this his mulligan year like Harbaugh's 2020, or something. Fine. Let's see what 2024-25 brings. Feels like that's got to be tournament or bust. And I'm not sure where the players to get to the tournament are going to come from if we aren't allowed to use the portal. Somehow admissions only works with football players.

crg

January 31st, 2024 at 10:45 AM ^

This team has shown glimers of potential to truly be dominant... yet also just collapses at times.

I'm not certain that Howard is the problem, but he needs to be part of the solution.  It could be that a retooling of staff can help, but my main observation of him these years is this:  what *is* the system he is trying to create?

With Beilein, it was obvious what he was doing - he had a method and a desired result of team structure/operation.  It took some time to reach it, but the logic was there.  With Howard... I'm just not certain (but I'm far from being an expert in basketball).  He seems to be more focused on high end athletic guys that are unlikely to stay long (heck, he couldn't even have Jett stay a full academic year), which to me will always be more of a problem than a benefit (whereas Beilein went for guys that fit his system rather than lottery picks).  Unfortunately, Howard got burned by it often the past few years (especially with the non-US kids leaving early since they could not legally get NIL).

S.G. Rice

January 31st, 2024 at 8:44 AM ^

I didn't watch the game (suck it, 'cock), but neither the narrative or the result is at all surprising.  This has been a lost season since the first bad non-conference loss, and without Dug there just isn't much of a chance of surprising anyone.

If Howard gets another year - and I think he will - he'll need to make a bunch of changes.  Turn over the roster, shake up the staff, revamp how he teaches and motivates.  I can't prove it but I suspect this year's losing would be somewhat easier to take if there were five guys giving max effort at all times, but that is not what it sounds like is happening.  Do they have Harbaugh guys in basketball?

I have no doubt that Juwan can recruit and that he knows basketball inside and out.  The jury is still out as to whether he can build a team, manage his roster optimally and establish a program that's a force every year.  Some of it is not necessarily on him - the constantly shifting landscape with transfer rules, NIL, G League, etc, and his health issue - but since he is the head coach the buck stops with him. 

stephenrjking

January 31st, 2024 at 8:58 AM ^

I have no doubt that Juwan can recruit and that he knows basketball inside and out.  The jury is still out as to whether he can build a team, manage his roster optimally and establish a program that's a force every year.  Some of it is not necessarily on him - the constantly shifting landscape with transfer rules, NIL, G League, etc, and his health issue - but since he is the head coach the buck stops with him. 

One of the valid questions about Juwan when he was hired was how he would adapt to the college landscape. Roster management is part of it, but so is the different nature of coaching college players as opposed to pro players. I believe he can and will succeed in the NBA environment. But coaching 18-year olds is different than NBA teams, particularly in a franchise with an excellent culture.

I think he did a genuinely good job with the team when he first came. But he inherited a quality locker room not only in talent but in culture.

He would not, by any stretch, be the only quality pro coach who struggled to adapt to the management of players in college. 

Denarded

January 31st, 2024 at 8:45 AM ^

Since Juwan returned as HC, the team is -104 in 2nd Halves. Very impressive considering he's only been back for 11 games. 

This of course is vs. a murderer's row including McNeese State, Eastern Michigan, Penn State, Minnesota, Maryland and Ohio State. 

Dayday

January 31st, 2024 at 9:03 AM ^

When do Howard's sons graduate? It seems like there is a deal in place to let him coach until then because I'd like to believe there is no way that this level of coaching would be tolerated otherwise 

HL2VCTRS

January 31st, 2024 at 9:10 AM ^

This isn’t all Juwan’s fault. He lost two players earlier than expected to the NBA and couldn’t have foreseen Hunter Dickinson armdonging his way to Kansas. 
 

With all that talent last year, he coached them to a… checks notes… barely .500 record and made it all the way to the 2nd round of the NIT. 
 

On a positive note, at least he (literally) fights for his team. 

sarto1g

January 31st, 2024 at 9:45 AM ^

There is not one single upside to keeping Juwan that isn't "well...it worked for Harbaugh."  Albeit in a different sports landscape, Harbaugh took over a middling program and consistently coached top 10-15 teams and failed to break through to the top tier prior to 2021.  Juwan inherited a top 10-20 program and subsequently ran it off the road. 

The basketball is terrible.  His staff had no business running it back after last year. The roster construction is abysmal. He can't get his starting PG to go to class.  He can't control his temper. His own team's strength coach refuses to work with him. He doesn't recruit at a high level.  He doesn't understand how to navigate the transfer portal. 

How many demerits can a coach get before enough is enough?  The fact that there is even a possibility he returns next year is beyond me.  If he couldn't see this season coming last year, why should we trust that he has the foresight to navigate more changes ahead?  Tremendously disappointing and an insult to the program that John Beilein built from scratch.

Mannix

January 31st, 2024 at 9:56 AM ^

To be fair to Juwan, his roster is probably a mid-major at best. His laughable response about the game previously regarding why Tray Jackson didn't play much because Twill & Jace were sharing time at the 3 is one reason he shouldn't put a roster together.

Tray Jackson, (I know I've said it before) is light years better than both of them. Last night, at least he played Jackson along side of Williams. Twill has grit but can't create anything- he's been put in a bad spot as he should be a guy off the bench on a decent team. 

But he is the most efficient dude Michigan has. Maybe they can be relegated like European soccer teams to a different conference for hoops. 

stjoemfan

January 31st, 2024 at 12:24 PM ^

This team reminds me of watching RichRod's and some Hoke teams. Mistakes, errors, turnovers and no heart. I turned on last night's game knowing full well what I was going to see. It did not surprise me and frankly it didn't bother me at all.

Just like when I watched those football teams.

charblue.

January 31st, 2024 at 2:47 PM ^

Remarkably, this team tries hard, at least for a half. It can shoot and score, just not consistently enough in the second half to win primarily because it doesn't play defense, allows opponents multiple shots per possession by failing to control loose balls or handle the ball on offense. 

There is no way a team can win when it fails to offensive rebound, turn the ball over nearly 20 times a game and repeats the same mistakes game in and game out. 

Remarkably, there has been individual improvement from Tarris Reed and Terrance Reed this season. Reed has shown the ability to become an effective inside scorer when he catches the ball. Williams has shown himself to be willing to take the ball with the clock winding down and the big shot needs to be taken. Unfortunately, he's just not dynamic enough to carry off this role.

Dug McDaniel, on another team without academic considerations, would be a star even though he is a complete defensive liability and commits way too many silly turnovers. 

Overall, this team lacks floor coordination, has awful hands, cannot rebound, grab loose balls and doesn't play cohesively. It's a mess. And painful to watch. 

Against MSU, I figured Michigan bigs might control the boards with superior size and Sparty's reliance on a three-guard offense. And for a half, shooting 61 percent from the field, Michigan took a halftime lead like it mostly always does. Then reality set in and when Sparty turned up the defense, it was lights out, as usual.