On Laremy Tunsil Comment Count

Brian

So the thing that everybody knew happened did happen.

As revelations go it's small time. Tunsil didn't get suspended for seven games for nothing.

Here is the best description of the admission. Tunsil went in front of the media almost as the Instagram stuff was posted and said these things in this order:

Then Tunsil was asked about the Instagram posts. He said he’d just found out about them, and reiterated that he’d made a mistake. Asked by reporter as to whether there’d been an exchange of money between Tunsil and a coach, he first responded, “I wouldn’t say that.” But when pressed a few moments later, he said, “Those messages?” almost as if he hadn’t understood the previous questions. “Those were true. Like I said, I made a mistake.”

Asked again if there had been an exchange of money, Tunsil then responded matter-of-factly, “I have to say yeah.” A further question about whether he’d met with the NCAA was being posed when Milam appeared from behind a curtain, cutting the session short. “He’s got no more comments. Thank you guys so much,” she said, tapping the offensive lineman on the shoulder, whisking him away and leaving media as baffled as Tunsil apparently had been.

Tunsil said it twice and was clearly referring to the Instagram posts since "those" is not a way you'd reference the bong hit. That's about as clear as it'll ever get.

Good for Tunsil, more or less. Dude got paid, got to the NFL as a mid-first-round pick, and got to do a gas mask bong in front of a Confederate flag. I guess that's empowering?

I don't have any issue with Tunsil's priorities. I assume 80% of college football players have taken hits off a novelty bong. I'm assuming his family is not particularly wealthy; it's a logical decision to get paid when you happen to be an incredible prospect in a field that has a professional career that lasts on average 2.6 years. Maybe don't film yourself doing a thing that you know the NFL is irrational about, but the only proper response to tut-tutters is to roll your eyes.

Meanwhile I can get behind following that up with an honest admission he got paid to go to a university with negligible football history and Confederate flags behind every bong. I'll only be vaguely irritated at Tunsil if he walks back those admissions. He doesn't owe anything to Ole Miss; a look inside the sausage factory can only speed up the day when people can give money to college football players over the table. There is a point at which the NCAA must admit that they have no ability to prevent people from getting paid and drops the whole charade.

And what a charade it is. Whenever I bring this up and advocate near-total deregulation of money headed to college football players there is a pushback from people who say

  1. but then people with money will have influence on football programs and
  2. but then college football players will have the money.

I look at these people and wonder why they think 1 isn't already true—even at programs trying to stay between the lines—and why 2 is a problem. The text message exchange is an attempt to get a bill paid for his mom. We have zero issue with 18 and 19 year olds getting paid in any other sport; paternalistic concerns they might do something harmlessly stupid with the money are nonsensical since then the players are merely back where they started.

Ole Miss got greedy. The reason that Ole Miss might actually take a fall here is because they got greedy. They had a story why they might acquire Robert Nkemdiche—his brother was already on the team. They had zero plausible story why they'd acquire Tunsil or Laquon Treadwell, out-of-state five stars with zero connection to a program that hadn't done anything since the 1960s. Tunsil in particular seems to have come with some serious family baggage that may explain why Ole Miss was able to outbid others:

Suspicion for the hacks quickly and naturally fell upon Tunsil’s stepfather, Lindsey Miller, with whom Tunsil has been engaged in a lengthy and nasty legal battle.

Last June, Tunsil was arrested on domestic-violence charges after a fight with Miller. Tunsil told police that his stepfather had pushed his mother, and he punched Miller to protect her, and pressed charges against Miller. Miller told police that Tunsil hit him at least six times, that the attack was unprovoked, and that the argument started over Tunsil having impermissible contact with agents. NCAA investigators interviewed Miller over his claims that he had proof of rules violations committed by Ole Miss.

A month later, Tunsil and Miller agreed to drop the charges against each other.

This past Tuesday, two days before the draft, Miller filed a lawsuit against Tunsil, claiming Tunsil assaulted him and defamed his character. The suit alleges “intentional infliction of emotional distress.”

If you're Alabama you can just move on to the next kid. (Or maybe not.) Ole Miss can't, and that may be their undoing. And it should be. While paying players is morally fine it is also against the rules.

Hi, Hugh Freeze. If there's ever been an example of a guy who just along for the ride it's Hugh "muh families" Freeze. Dude is an anonymous high school coach before a one-year apprenticeship at Arkansas State and then Ole Miss. Upon his arrival they start recruiting like they matter, and he bitches about having to work.

Gus Malzahn is a great comparison here. Malzahn also came from high school and also had a one year apprenticeship at Arkansas State before getting the Auburn job, but beforehand he was OC at Arkansas and Auburn and Tulsa and had excellent success at all those places, getting chased about because sometimes those places are insane. Malzhan got his job because he's a good football coach, and if Auburn's paying some guys to come that's only part of his success. Survey says they are, but not egregiously.

Freeze has nothing to his name other than the ability to not observe cash payments to high-profile recruits, and over the past year his program has seen one Nkemdiche fall out off a balcony whilst high, the other Nkemdiche leave the team and get hospitalized twice with "personal issues," and now the Tunsil thing. One of the appeals of the Ole Miss program appears to be a total lack of adult supervision. The NCAA changing official visit policies so that parents can come along will not be a help to them.

It's to the point where the NFL notices:

Multiple sources told The MMQB that Tunsil’s off-field behavior was becoming increasingly worrisome and reason for some teams to remove him from their draft boards altogether. Much of it had to do with the culture at Mississippi, sources say.

A Freeze implosion here would be richly deserved. Whether the NCAA has the ability to deliver it is very much in question, unfortunately.

Comments

M-Dog

April 29th, 2016 at 1:29 PM ^

I'm sorry folks, but there is no way in hell that money was for his "Momma's light bill".

Even his cheating scumbucket coach / bagman knew that.

I just spent way too much on a Michigan football ticket against Wisconsin this fall.  When my wife bitched about it, I told her it was for my Mom's light bill.

Didin't work on her either.

 

 

BVB1

April 29th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^

I was just about to post the same thing so I'm glad I read through and found your comment. "Momma's light bill" is likely code for any number of things, such as gas for a car received from improper benefits, or for partying, or weed to put in my gas mask bong. 

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Crime Reporter

April 29th, 2016 at 12:24 PM ^

Even if (more like when) nothing happens to Freeze and Ole Miss, I can't help but smile at the ordeal. 

Freeze is being exposed as the hypocrite we all know he is, and the timing is perfect, given his recent comments about the camp ban.

All and all, it couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

befuggled

April 29th, 2016 at 12:39 PM ^

My very limited understanding is that the donor would be responsibe for taxes, and that any gift taxes would depend on the total amount given to each individual. There's an exclusion of $14000 per year per recipient, so amounts below that would not be taxed.

Someone who actually knows something about tax law will hopefully correct me.

Mr. Yost

April 29th, 2016 at 12:27 PM ^

Honestly...there are only two things that bothered me.

  1. Tunsil's agent let him sit up there and didn't control the situation --- now I'm happy he fucked up and didn't, because it was entertaining and it shines a light on Ole Miss...but damn dude, you're getting paid A LOT of money, do your fucking job.
  2. Huge Freeze. That POS wants to lay around and talk about camps when everyone knows this shit is going on in his house.

IMO, vacate all wins in which Tunsil participated. Reduce scholarships. Don't allow Ole Miss to travel to recruit outside of the state for a year (aka in-home visits). Take away the ability for one coach to recruit on the road. And call it a day.

Or just give them whatever you gave USC and move on. I don't think it needs to be something crazy, it's happening everywhere. Ole Miss was just stupid. We all knew it when we saw this...

Ali G Bomaye

April 29th, 2016 at 1:26 PM ^

What was the agent supposed to do?  Figure out who was hacking his social media while he was in the green room?  Once Tunsil was giving the press conference and spilling the beans, the financial damage was done.  All he did after that point was throw Ole Miss under the bus, which doesn't really hurt Tunsil or his agent at all.

Yard Dog

April 29th, 2016 at 12:28 PM ^

I cannot fault Tunsil, especially when he's asking for money for his mom's utlity bill.  That is stupid pressure on a college kid to provide for his parents.  Hell, the kid saw the cash at Ole Miss as a way to help his family.  I get that.

That being said, it is illegal, and we've all known that Ole Miss has the absolute best bag men in the game.  You can definitely see the walls crumbling around Hugh Freeze.  The guy is in over his head.  I'd love the NCAA to punish the living hell out of Ole Miss, but they are probably too busy busting MAC schools over impermissable ice cream cones or something stupid like that.

trueblue262

April 29th, 2016 at 1:38 PM ^

The kid wasn't asking for $ so he could go get an 8-ball or a tattoo......He was asking to provide for his mom. He was doing what his step-dad SHOULD have been doing instead of planning lawsuits against him. I realize Laremy made a few bad choices, but seems like the one that started them off was his choosing Ole Miss. I feel bad that he had to go through that last night on a night that was supposed to be his shining moment.

Don't get me wrong, the kids still getting paid, and is still going to be a big time NFL player, but becuase he was the one that exposed Hugh Freeze as the cheating scumbag that he is, I will be rooting for Tunsil

BVB1

April 29th, 2016 at 2:43 PM ^

Let me start with I agree that he shouldn't have had to go through that during the draft and there were obviously very nefarious intentions by whoever hacked his social media accounts.

But how can you take what he said about paying for his mom's utility bills at face value? Given that he accepted free car rentals and free vacation lodging, among who knows what other improper benefits, you can't really call Tunsil the face of integrity. His "mom's light bill" could have been true or a lie for needing money for any number of things. The jury is still out on whether his issues stem from coming from a poor background or are coming from broader character and judgement issues, something that NFL teams care far more about than whether someone has smoked weed in the past or taken a few interest free loans. 

I guess my point is, no one knows how this whole situation played out and we will likely never truly know (particularly about what the monetary benefits actually went to pay for). Both Tunsil and Ole Miss broke the rules and Ole Miss should be punished as an institution for that. 

EGD

April 29th, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^

The way I see it, once you cross the line of taking improper benefits, you might as well get all you can.  If he initially took money to help out his mother, that's already against the rules.  So why shouldn't he also take money to have a good time?  

turd ferguson

April 29th, 2016 at 12:38 PM ^

I honestly don't care what the NCAA does about paying / not paying players, but whatever it does, it needs to enforce its own rules.  It's bullshit to have rules in place and then look the other way when schools violate them, because it punishes the programs that play by the rules and rewards the schools that don't.  Recruiting is a zero-sum game.  That must drive the clean (and relatively clean) coaches totally fucking crazy.  It drives me crazy as a fan.

Ali G Bomaye

April 29th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^

The 2016 version of SMU still wouldn't get more than a 2-year bowl ban and a loss of 10 scholarships or so.  You have to literally be molesting kids to get more than that.

The NCAA is well aware that it makes money off high-profile programs, so putting them out of commission is bad business. It'll never hand out a death penalty again, or anything close to it.  It'll do enough to claim it addressed the issue, and maybe even give Freeze a show-cause if he doesn't cooperate with the investigation, but then it will be back to business as usual.

And that's the problem.  The NCAA is unwilling to regulate with a heavy hand, but the penalties are now so light that the payoff, combined with the miniscule risk that you'll be caught and punished, makes cheating totally worth it. If Tunsil doesn't have a psychotic stepfather who decided to try to ruin his career, then Ole Miss would have built a top-20 program from the ashes of mediocrity for the low, low cost of probably a couple hundred thousand dollars, total. That's peanuts in the grand scheme of college football finances.

M-Dog

April 29th, 2016 at 1:39 PM ^

That is the salient point:  SEC teams have made the perfectly clear, rational decision that it is flat out worth it to cheat.  Period.

They rarely get caught (because nobody really cares) and when they do there are no real penalties (because nobody really cares) and their fans are totally fine with it (because nobody really cares).

It's strictly a business decision.  There is no morality in it for them whatsoever.

 

 

bacon

April 29th, 2016 at 1:17 PM ^

I think this is dead on. You can't have two systems. If everyone pays openly, then so be it, but if you can't pay to play then make an example of Ole Miss. It's not like they're winning national championships any time soon and it's not like they're nationally popular. It's a good chance for the NCAA to set an example.

MI Expat NY

April 29th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^

I'm just going to throw this out there, re: Malzone.  If the question is "how much money is Auburn throwing under the table?"  The answer is always "A LOT."  That is a dirty program.  Always has been, always will be.  I doubt a large percentage of Auburn fans would even be upset about the characterization.  That Ole Miss has made them look tame by comparisson, shows just how crazy Ole Miss has been.  

1VaBlue1

April 29th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^

I can't put all the blame on Tunsil for the dumbassery of asking for money over Twitter.  Or Instagram.  Or whatever the hell flashy new thing people are using these days...  While it was pretty epically dumb, the real stoopidity involves the adminstrators employed by the school's football operation answering his questions with their own question about how much was needed!

My GAWD, man!!!  Have you no respect for the endless series of internet hacks that you *really* think social media is secure?  I mean, 24 MILLION people just had their most personal information - SSN's, adresses for the last 20 years, financial records, friends - handed over to the Chinese by the federal government (the OPM breach).  And these idiots think Twitter is secure?

Seriously, how fucking stoopid are people?

Word to cheaters everywhere - make sure requests for money are made in person, face to face.  Don't use phones, or social media, or even email.  Just don't.  Walk to the football admin offices and ask in person.  This would leave no trail.

I don't cheat, and yet I have to tell cheaters how to cheat.  Cheaters are fucking stoopid.

MI Expat NY

April 29th, 2016 at 12:45 PM ^

this is the truth.  You have to be stupid to get caught committing NCAA violations.  It's pretty simple, really.  Have one coach be the liaison to the shady network of boosters, preferably with a degree of separation.  Have the coach explain to the kids that nothing is to ever be written down, anywhere.  Never a chance that there is ever corrobarating evidence, and thus no sanctions.

Things to never do as an athletics employee: write anything down in any form, pay the player yourself, have direct phone calls to the shadiest part of the bag men system.  

This is not that hard. Despite my ethical problems with the rules as they are written, I have no problem with any coach getting hammered for involvement in any pay the players scheme.  Stupidity should be punished.

HimJarbaugh

April 29th, 2016 at 12:46 PM ^

I'll only be vaguely irritated at Tunsil if he walks back those admissions. He doesn't owe anything to Ole Miss
This is what I think will happen. He and/or Ole Miss will come up with some excuse about how he didn't understand the question or whatever and that, combined with the NCAA's lack of subpoena power will result in nothing but bagmen more wary of using cell phones.

Eberwhite82

April 29th, 2016 at 1:05 PM ^

Here's the thing about how dumb the "Adults" were in this situation... You up to shady shit. It's highly likely this was going on with other players, but whatever. Even if you don't consider the fact that it's super easy to get into most social media platforms and into people's cell phone accounts... WHEN the shit hits the fan, these Asst AD's don't think their text messages and direct messages are going to be poured over??

I guess working in the govt, where I've had to deal with FOIA's and subpeona's puts me in a certain percentage of the population where this is top of mind. (I don't send any electronic communications that could be used in a negative way.) But I just can't imagine, with the stakes involved, that these guys didn't think this aspect of this through.

And it's why I'd be completly shocked (seriously, not sarcasm) if the NCAA doesn't step in here. We have a fucking electronic paper trail ffs. I don't see how they can ignore this.

Njia

April 29th, 2016 at 1:07 PM ^

Brian, I think it was you who suggested at one point that colleges and universities should develop bona fide degree programs in sports performance for athletes. As I recall, there was quite a debate on this site about whether it would be analogous to degree programs in music performance, theater, etc.; and the merits of such a program in view of the future ability of graduates to earn a living in the real world.

I wasn't in support of the idea; but upon further review, I now believe that it shouldn't be out of the question. We don't prohibit, for example, a voice or drama major from earning money on the side playing gigs, teaching private lessons, etc. We don't suggest that a student in one of those degree programs is less an "amateur" for earning money by those means - why shouldn't we feel the same way about athletes? 

The obvious argument against pursuing and/or earning a degree in "Football Performance" (or basketball, baseball, hockey, etc.) is that the vast majority of athletes pursuing that degree will never make it to the pros. Likewise, with the average pro career in football just 2.6 years in length, we could be dooming many athletes to lives spent in homeless shelters.

But those are pretty well the same odds as students who pursue degrees in theater, music, etc. Very few graduates end up with careers in those professions. And many who do are practically required to pursue advanced degrees just to be competitive.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Cranky Dave

April 29th, 2016 at 1:21 PM ^

it's also very difficult to make a living as an artist, but the big difference being there is no National Singers League where there are less than 2,000 paid jobs nationally.  Even so, if someone chooses that major they take the risk that they have a really hard time finding a job.  But, hey non athletes are loading up on student debt for degrees in music, sociology etc where if they find a job it's at $25-30k so good luck ever repaying your loans.  at least if you're on scholarship you don't have any debt. 

Autostocks

April 29th, 2016 at 1:13 PM ^

The NCAA is about amateur competition.  There is no way schools should, or even could, pay football players as a unique group within intercollegiate athletics.  Title IX requires that benefits from any educational endeavor be made available equally to men and women.  Therefore, under federal law, for the men's football players to get paid, the women's gymnastics team would have to get paid the same amount.  There is not enough money in intercollegiate athletics for all participants to be paid any meaningful amount.  In fact, Michigan's athletics department only breaks even as it is today.

The solution is to enforce the amateurism rules already in place, and possibly to create small stipends to supplement scholarships.  I am also in favor of creating a professional minor league for football that would give high school graduates who for whatever reason want to start a professional career in football immediately after high school an opportunity to compete for pay.

readyourguard

April 29th, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^

Kids are choosing schools based on a lot of things:

  • relationship they've built with the staff
  • the campus
  • their future teammates
  • could see themselves playing in front of the home crowd
  • depth chart
  • adacemics (unless you don't believe any of the kids that pick school based on this)
  • potential to play at the next level

IMO, that's entirely different than "I choose ________________ school because GM is nearby and they've thrown a lot of ad dollars at guys who play my same position."

This is college and it's a better game BECAUSE players don't pick our school (or any school) based on ad dollars.