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Hoops Hello: Frankie Collins Comment Count

Matt EM August 19th, 2020 at 10:05 PM

For all the moaning about some of the recent misses on the recruiting trail, Juwan Howard just secured his third 4-star of the 2021 cycle when Frankie Collins announced his commitment to Michigan tonight. Collins joins 4-star wing Kobe Bufkin, 4-star wing Isaiah Barnes and 3-star big Will Tschetter to give Michigan a top 5 class in America on the heels of a top 15 haul in 2020. Back to back classes in the 5-15 range met with complaints seems indicative of just how much Juwan Howard has raised Michigan’s recruiting profile. 

Rivals ESPN 247 Endless Motor
4*, #69 overall,
#12 PG
4*, #42 overall,
#7 PG, #3 NV
4*, #78 overall,
#10 PG, #4 NV
4* PG, #60-80 overall

There is consensus on Collins as a 4-star prospect, with ESPN being a bit more bullish in relation to the remaining services. All four services list Frankie at 6’1, in the 175–180 pound range. I’m generally a stickler regarding height, so this must have been pure laziness on my behalf when generating the profile. But Collins is likely a legit 5’10 and perhaps 5’11 if we’re being generous based on the eye test. 

Note – I haven’t taken up the task of individual player rankings yet with AAU events just now tipping off over the last month and change. I need live evaluation opportunities against legit competition on a relatively level playing field in order to adequately rank hundreds of prospects. I am comfortable issuing a general star ranking/tiered structure as indicated above. In more simplistic terminology, I’d probably have Collins in the 60 - 80 range overall pending more detailed live viewings.

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SCOUTING

No doubt about it, this is a big pickup for the Wolverines. Frankie fills the void in this class for an on-ball lead guard that generates shots for himself and teammates in isolation or ballscreen action.

Collins is at his best as a downhill attacker off the bounce that can score at the rim or find teammates after collapsing the defense. Frankie changes speeds/direction very well with a live dribble, with superb deceleration to create space and keep his primary defender off-balance. Once he gets to the rim, he’s a solid finisher for a prospect of his stature. He’s adept at converting with the off-hand and isn’t afraid to get into the opposing big’s chest to negate shotblocking when jumping off two legs. 

While Collins’ scoring ability is impressive on its own merit, his ability as a playmaker for others is exactly what this roster needs. Frankie beats his primary defender at a pretty high clip and displays impressive vision in finding bigs on dumpoffs once the help defense arrives as evidenced by his 24.4 assist % during the 2019 Adidas Gauntlet. That while playing a year up in the 17u division. He fits precision dimes in tight windows for easy buckets and has a unique ability to dish out accurate one-hand passes with his left in order to avoid the extra time associated with gathering the ball with both hands. 

Perimeter shotmaking is the biggest question mark for the Las Vegas native. The shot mechanics aren’t great, but not broken by any means. His off-hand placement is on top of the ball rather than on the side, and he doesn’t get a ton of elevation in the lower body either. That said, the shot doesn’t look bad. Frankie gets good arch and there isn’t a ton of extra motion on his shot.  He displays the ability to hit pull-ups from midrange, which isn’t typically a tool for complete non-shooters. Still, the low volume of jumpshots here suggests Collins may need development in that area but the jury is still out. 

Physically, Frankie is a bit undersized but is a plus athlete overall. He’s above average in terms of lateral agility, first-step acceleration, straight line speed and strength. He’s got some pop as a leaper, particularly when elevating off two feet. His athletic ability will suit him just fine offensively, but he may run into some trouble on the other end depending on the matchup.

Defensively, Collins is likely to defend the opposition’s smallest on-ball guard exclusively. He slides his feet at the point of attack and should be able to stay in front of the average B10 guard. But as we’ve seen with Xavier Simpson, even players with outstanding lateral agility are prone to get blown by or bullied when presented with shiftiness and/or legit size. Inherent physical traits matter, and you can expect Frankie to get picked on a bit in certain matchups. 

Third party scouting reports on Frankie are rather scant for a prospect of his caliber that suits up for a prominent shoe-circuit club (Dream Vision/Adidas Sponsored) during the Summer. Rivals’ Eric Bossi is enamored with the playmaking ability as well:

“A driver who sets up teammates, defends well and plays above the rim, Collins is a high octane guy who has been a steady performer.”

In May 2019, Bossi appreciated the combination of athleticism and physicality during a Compton Magic event:

Collins is athletic, tough and gives it to you on both ends of the floor. He has no fear as a driver who seeks contact and makes toughness plays for himself and others at the rim. Defensively, he will sit down and make life difficult.

The evaluation from 247 in April of 2019 was a bit of a head-scratcher, with high praise for his physical profile and versatility at the guard spot:

Collins raised his profile this weekend after showing his impressive versatility for the position. He has good size and length for the position, is a high-level passer, plays at his own pace, an improving shooter/scorer especially from midrange and in and also is a plus defender due to his length, feel and quickness.

OFFERS

Frankie chose Michigan over remaining finalists Kansas, Arizona State, Georgetown, Vanderbilt, Auburn, USC and New Mexico. Collins also reeled in offers from Oklahoma, TCU, UNLV, Virginia Tech, Minnesota and others. 

HIGH SCHOOL

Frankie will attend Coronado HS (NV) for his senior year, home of 2021 5-star Jaden Hardy. While I think the chances of landing Hardy are less than 5%, this development certainly cannot hurt. 

STATS

Collins put up 13.9 points and 6.2 assists per contest during his junior year at Arizona Compass Prep. 

VIDEO

2019-20 Season Highlights:

2019-20 Mixtape:

2019 Big Time Vegas AAU Highlights:

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

It is not entirely clear whether Michigan is done taking on-ball types this cycle, but Collins is going to have a chance to crack the rotation as a freshman. At this point the roster features only two primary half-court shot creators in Zeb Jackson and Kobe Bufkin for 2021, so Frankie may find himself as a third guard if he can hold his own defensively while grasping the playbook.  

In any event, Collins will be ready to compete from a physical standpoint the day he steps on campus and I’d expect him to become a legit rotational piece as an underclassmen under most circumstances. 

His projected role is clearly defined as an on-ball guard that runs pick and roll sets at a high rate. Frankie’s biggest value to the team will be setting the table for bigs/wings with dumpoffs/lobs/kickouts after breaking down the opposition with dribble penetration. Hunter Dickinson, in particular, should get a few easy baskets per game because of his ability to get two feet in the paint and compel a secondary defender. 

While I believe Collins’ optimal role for Michigan is a creator for others, I do expect him to bring some scoring punch as well. He’s relentless attacking the paint, doesn’t shy away from contact and is a solid finisher for his size. Considering that playstyle, he’s going to draw fouls at a reasonable clip and convert his fair share of layup attempts in both the half-court and transition. 

The biggest wildcard here is the jumper. While the low volume of attempts and slight mechanical quirks suggest there is some work to be done before Frankie is an average shooter, I think the eye test gives reason for optimism. For the most part, guards/wings simply don’t attempt pull-ups unless there is a certain level of confidence the shot will go in. Collins’ mechanics aren’t broken, the arch is good and his release isn’t overly slow. 

Once he settles into a starting role where he’s on the court for 25+ minutes per game, a reasonable expectation for Collins is probably in the 10-13 PPG range while dishing out 3-5 assists per contest. 

Frankie is a solid defender at the point of attack, but there are always going to be some issues on the defensive end with guards that stand below 6-foot. There will be certain matchups where the opposition will hunt Collins because he lacks the size to prevent the opposition from walking him to the rim or simply shooting over him. For the most part he’ll be fine, but Ayo Dosunmu types will probably give him the business. 

My archetype for Collins is poor man’s version of former Texas standout D.J. Augustin. Both players have a similar physical profile, shiftiness off the bounce and good playmaking ability. The biggest distinction is Augustin was a much better perimeter shotmaker at the same stage. If Frankie can shoot a respectable 31-34% from beyond the arch, I think he’s going to be a very good player in the B10 that helps Michigan win a ton of games. He’s a multi-year college player with a high-floor that doesn’t possess physical attributes that will attract the NBA as an underclassmen. These are the type of “return value” players that help college programs have sustained success. 

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Michigan has at least 1 more available scholarship, with 2-3 more likely. With a bonafide lead guard in the mix, the priority now shifts to landing a legit center. Beyond that, Juwan Howard is shooting for the stars with remaining scholarships. The Wolverines are squarely in the mix for 5-star forward Harrison Ingram and recently offered 5-star guard Hunter Sallis. If we land one of those two, or any other top 25 prospect for that matter, the Wolverines have a legit shot at reeling in a top 3 class in the country.  

Comments

OkemosBlue

August 20th, 2020 at 8:09 AM ^

Great comment!  There's no way to know if he's done growing at age 17.  If he reaches a true 6 foot two or three, he's a. five-star prospect.  If he stays at whatever size he is, he's got a great chance to be a star in college.  His chances in the NBA would be proportionately smaller, but it's been done.  As far as his shot, who knows.  It looks like he might become a shooter with good coaching.

Megumin

August 19th, 2020 at 10:27 PM ^

Maybe I'm off-base here, but I'm getting deja vu vibes to that 2016 recruiting class where we were beat by MSU for the presumed high guy on our board (Winston/Akins) and then immediately found our guy, seemingly from out of the blue (Simpson/Collins).

Now I know the situation was a bit different (that was much closer to the signing period) and the players shouldn't be compared (I really like Akins's film, but him turning into Winston is unreasonable and would give me a migraine), but there are definitely shades of Simpson in Frankie's game.

Definitely agree that his size will likely make Collins should be a multi year guy like Simpson, since he's going to have defensive difficulties as a pro. Hopefully that jumper can come along for Collins, it was the one piece that never really clicked for Simpson, as solid as he was. Loving the athleticism, that's already a step above Simpson though and a good place to start building a lead guard.

Blue Middle

August 20th, 2020 at 12:10 AM ^

Wow.  This is the kind of facilitator that makes everyone better and is so important in college hoops.  Amazing handles, great vision, quick twitch.  If he's 5'10" he's got serious bounce to be able to dunk two-handed.  A college strength program will only improve his already excellent athleticism.

If he can defend as well as he can attack, or even pretty well...he could be the kind of multi-year starter that wins the B1G and makes UM a threat in the tournament.

Collateral Whiz

August 20th, 2020 at 6:52 AM ^

First of all, great pickup for Juwan and M hoops, and I think Frankie will be a great addition to the team.  Also, great write up and scouting report Matt.

However, I was a bit taken aback by this sentence: "Back to back classes in the 5-15 range met with complaints seems indicative of just how much Juwan Howard has raised Michigan’s recruiting profile."

Honest question, has Howard really raised the recruiting profile that much?  (I'm taking "raised the recruiting profile" to just mean he has improved recruiting; maybe I'm misinterpreting that.)   My initial feeling was that he had improved recruiting a bit compared to Beilein's last few years, but really the results weren't that different.  So, I went to the 247 composite to check.  

First off, class rankings are kind of a silly way to evaluate recruiting as class size is so important to that method and class sizes vary dramatically.  I think looking at average recruit ranking is better so I'm going to look at those numbers instead.  From '15-'18 Beilein got 16 commits (I'm giving him credit for Jalen Wilson who decommitted after he quit, and Zeb Jackson who he got to commit) at an average ranking of 93.298 per player.  Howard has received commitments from 10 players* in the '19-'21 classes at an average ranking of 94.364 for a difference of a little more than 1 point per player.  

*I wasn't sure which coach to give Franz to as he committed to Howard, but I believe he was trending to M before Beilein quit.  I gave him to Howard up above as he did officially commit to Howard, but if you switched him to Beilein it wouldn't really change the numbers much.  It would change the numbers to Howard at 94.387 and Beilein at 93.349.  

Now I'm probably implying too much from too little data, but a 1 point improvement doesn't seem like drastically improving Michigan's recruiting.  It feels like a new coach bump, which I think should be expected the first couple of years when a coach inherits a healthy program and I would expect that bump to get Howard's average player closer to OSU, who has averaged over 95 points per player the last two years.  I know things would be different if Todd stuck with his commitment and Christopher ended up picking U of M which seemed like it was going to happen, but Beilein was the victim of the same thing with several players including Jaylen Brown and Devin Booker.  

I'm not freaking out or anything, I think recruiting is fine right now and I think Howard shows really good potential as a head coach, but I guess the way Howard is talked about as a recruiter, I was expecting even more success.  Am I wrong here?  Is a 1 point increase in player average ranking a bigger jump than I'm giving it credit for?  

AZBlue

August 20th, 2020 at 8:24 AM ^

Seems to me he is referring to expectations rather than results and I agree with him.  

(Some) fans are worrying and complaining over recruiting “woes” that - by your analysis - exceed the best results of the Beilein era.  Howard appears to be a great recruiter and should actually see improved results once he has had more time to get in early on the younger kids - given the on-court results show the same promise.  Players like 5-stars or locally the 3 top MI kids this year have been recruited by Izzo (and others) probably since middle school and it is a tough thing to waltz in and overcome in a short time unless you are “dropping bags”. 

Matt EM

August 20th, 2020 at 9:31 AM ^

This. To sort of put this in perspective, Juwan Howard is expected to land 5star/one and done types, whereas most were elated for John Beilein to land top 50-100 types. 

In talking to HS/AAU coaches/prospects, I don't think there's any question that Coach Howard is a tremendous recruiter that resonates with just about everyone in a room. Coach Beilein was an outstanding coach, but realistically he wasn't on the same level as a recruiter and generally targeted a lower caliber of player. 

Collateral Whiz

August 20th, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^

Okay, so I was misinterpreting that quote.  The fact that fans are complaining about recruiting when it is a step up from Beilein's, shows how much recruiting expectations have gone up with Howard.  Got it.  Thanks for the clarification.  

There is no doubt that Howard is in on more top players than Beilein was.  It would be nice to land a five star here and there, but honestly I like the majority of the players being in the 30-100 range as they're more likely to stay around for a few years.  Seems like the teams made up of a majority of freshman blue chippers generally come up short of expectations, and I think only two of those teams have actually won the national championship despite Duke and Kentucky pumping out these super teams for the better part of the past 10 years.  Plus it's just more fun to root for guys over two to four years than just one.  

Looking back at Beilein's classes it amazes me that he was never able to take recruiting to a higher level.  You would think top recruits would see that he was regularly taking teams with recruiting rankings in the 30s up to sweet sixteens and beyond, and was putting multiple recruits ranked 80 or higher into the NBA, and they'd want to get involved.  Oh well.  I guess I'm still a bit salty how little respect the bball program got when Beilein was around. 

Matt EM

August 20th, 2020 at 10:34 AM ^

As someone that is surrounded by the recruiting process on a daily basis, I can tell that objective basketball factors aren't as influential as one would like to think. Kids want coaches to "show them the love" in terms of prioritizing them on a daily basis with no assurances of a commitment. Coach Beilein just wasn't that guy, he wasn't looking to date for a year or two prior to getting married if that makes sense. 

Coach Beilein wanted to coach basketball, whereas other coaches may embrace off-court relationships a bit more to a certain extent. This is why, despite what we may think, former Michigan State players absolutely love Tom Izzo and consistently come back to support the program years after they depart East Lansing. You just never saw that level of support from former Michigan players under Coach Beilein. 

KTisClutch

August 20th, 2020 at 10:58 AM ^

Juwan's average is brought down quite a bit by the fact he recruited his son who was prepared to not take a scholarship if need be (JC and Todd coming). He's signed 4 top 100 players so far, while his 2nd class isn't finished and he had a very late start on the 1st. That's as many as Beilein ever got in a 2 year span, and without the handicaps Juwan has had. 

 

So I think it's fair to say he's elevated recruiting. Just need to hit on a 5 star sometime to really cement it.

Collateral Whiz

August 20th, 2020 at 11:23 AM ^

That's a really good point.  I just re did the numbers without Jace in it, and without him Howard's player average shoots up almost a full point to 95.207.  That's about where OSU is the last couple of years, which makes me feel a bit better.  I was not happy that they were recruiting better than us despite 10 years or so of regularly finishing behind us in the Big Ten and NCAA tournament.  

KTisClutch

August 20th, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^

10 years of regularly finishing above OSU? OSU was in their Matta prime until 2014. Plus Holtmann won the B1G regular season title in 2018 and they were pretty equal with us this year. They're a good program, and Holtmann has an ace recruiter on his staff.

 

Regardless, Howard pulled in a significantly better 2020 class than they did, and will pull in a very similar class this year (they will likely have an advantage in avg star ranking just by matter of us needing to fill so many spots). 

Collateral Whiz

August 20th, 2020 at 12:31 PM ^

Damn it you're right.  OSU and Michigan have the exact same Big 10 record over the past 10 years, 115-69.  Both have one and a half regular season championships, and both have two tournament championships.  I guess my memory is skewed because we've gone farther than them in the NCAA tournament every year but one since 2013. 

crg

August 20th, 2020 at 8:43 AM ^

Are the current team recruiting rankings made assuming that all commits will actually play for these teams?  I would be curious to see them revised after various 5* (and maybe some 4*) players leave for the pros before getting to play at their committed schools.  Our relative ranking would probably be even higher.

bacon1431

August 20th, 2020 at 12:59 PM ^

The fact that Juwan is likely to have two top 10 classes (and I know class rankings aren't as relevant for basketball as they are for football due to class sizes playing such a big factor) without multiple 5* is a big sign that he's gonna be a good coach IMO. If you would have told me that we'd have 0 5* in his first two classes, I'd assume we were headed for disaster. But he's been doing his due diligence and has Plans A-Z. Can't wait to see what the future holds because I expect that the 5* drought will end, whether it be this class or next.