Exit David Dawson Comment Count

Seth

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[Bill Rapai]

Senior OG Dave Dawson announced today on Twitter that he does not plan on returning for his grad year:

Despite a relatively soft depth chart and high rankings as a recruit (the sites rated him around the same spot as they did fellow Technician Michael Onwenu) the big Cass Tech product struggled to crack the lineup in four years. Offensive line recruits are notoriously late to develop and hard to predict, however the more time spent behind some below-average starters the less likely it seemed that Dawson would meet the expectations of a top-150ish prospect.

The closest Dawson came to starting was in the 2015 offseason, when classmate Patrick Kugler was hurt, Dawson returned from the offseason 20 pounds heavier, and practice rumors suggested he was pressing Braden at left guard. This site held out hope that Harbaugh and Drevno would manage to tap the potential of a guy Joe Mathis described as “one mean cuss” coming out of high school.

Dawson was running with the ones while starting right guard Kalis was nursing something just last August, but remained buried all season despite plenty of opportunities for OL to crack the lineup. Kugler earned an early start at left guard in place of Braden, and true freshman Ben Bredeson passed both RS juniors to start the remainder of the season at left guard once Newsome went down and Braden shifted out to left tackle. Onwenu, also a true freshman, siphoned seasoning snaps at right guard during this year’s garbage time, but Dawson played some right tackle against Illinois and even a little defensive tackle in the Rutgers blowout.

Just sticking around even this long was remarkable within the context of his class. In 2013 Brady Hoke brought in six offensive linemen rated 3 stars or above on the 247 composite, not counting the scholarship long-snapper. OT Chris Fox lost his career to a knee injury before he got to college and late offer OG Dan Samuelson retired from football before ever threatening a depth chart. OT Logan Tuley-Tillman was kicked off the team for some very bad behavior, tried and failed to transfer to Wazzu a year ago, and wound up at Akron, where he started 12 games at left tackle. The only significant contributor was OG Kyle Bosch, who transferred due to some personal issues when Harbaugh arrived, and wound up starting the last two years at West Virginia, earning all-Big XII this year. Kugler, the only one rated higher than Dawson, should have his chance to salvage the class of 2013 this spring.

With Kalis and Braden graduating, Bredeson expected to kick out to RT in place of Magnuson, and left tackle an open question thanks to Newsome’s injury, playing time on the offensive line was wide open for Dawson. Even a position switch to DT was an outside possibility given Michigan’s needs. If Dawson still didn’t like his chances to pass Onwenu and the other underclassmen, it’s probably best for for him that he use his grad year to go somewhere he can play. Meanwhile Michigan loses another bullet in a rather bare chamber for upperclassmen OL:

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Via that depth chart Michigan now has 61 scholarships committed to currently returning players (including Peppers) and 26 commits, putting them 2 over the 85 they need to be at by the start of next season. Expected attrition from here gets that class to about 30 with room for some walk-ons to earn scholarships.

Comments

schreibee

January 1st, 2017 at 11:05 PM ^

I posted in the Orange Bowl open thread I think 14 might be the number of OL we should shoot for - we need lots of bodies, lots of competition on the line. They were manhandled most of the night including the final drive (yes, offsides, I know)

I'm watching G. Glasgow starting right now for the Lions so I can tell you the high ranked guys aren't always the best guys. If we lose out on any other recruits I just hope they have a list of lesser ranked guys who have the type of fortitude to maybe be Glasgows or Kovacs If given a shot.

Look how many high ranked guys have transferred out when they didn't get everything they wanted when they wanted, from Bosch on down to this news today (and as big11 is saying, more likely to come).

I know people on here are stargazers, and will cite chapter & verse about how starz really do bear out - but all I gotta do is compare Glasgow to Kalis (or M. Hart to D. Green) to show you they aren't the be all-end all. These raters are human, fallible, have prejudices & preferences...

evenyoubrutus

January 1st, 2017 at 8:24 PM ^

Wait, do you have inside info on Newsome or are you guessing? Brian stated that Newsome's longterm prognosis was fine, presumably based on "sources." Are you disputing this? Because that's a huge deal if true.

SeattleWolverine

January 1st, 2017 at 11:25 PM ^

Hmmm, what about Kugler at C and Cole moves out? Seems like Kugler might be 1 of 5 best OL and might be worth shuffling Cole.

 

Did not love what we saw of JBB this year. Hope another offseason helps or some young guys push him. 

Mr. Yost

January 1st, 2017 at 6:27 PM ^

Dang, I wish him the best.

I've been saying for a couple of weeks that I hope he stays because we need the depth. Today with the news of Solomon and I thought maybe he could switch to DT for his 5th year. He's a leader on the team as well.

I hope the Runyan rumors are true and he's ready. All the best to big Dave - a classy guy. Hilarious young man.

jalenwestman

January 1st, 2017 at 6:27 PM ^

Getting Hall and Ruiz in early will help with depth. Hoping Wheatley is moving to tackle on one of the lines. He could make real money there. Best of luck to Dawson.

learymike6

January 1st, 2017 at 8:18 PM ^

They need to get a juco to fill the left tackle spot- not all of them are academic misfits. 2012 wasn't that long ago, and the Orange Bowl was a reminder of what a game-long o-line mismatch looks and feels like. And that's with 3 fucking seniors and another almost 40 starts from Mason. Go get an upperclassman with a big body and some experience. Otherwise next year will be a disaster (again) up front.

alum96

January 1st, 2017 at 6:55 PM ^

Original Hello post(s) - he decommited for a while there ....well Hoke's policy decommited him.  Yes better OL coach now but these guys are so hit or miss at this position it seems.

http://mgoblog.com/content/hello-david-dawson

http://mgoblog.com/content/hello-again-david-dawson

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

Dawson should slide in at guard along with Kyle Bosch in this class, giving Michigan a pair of top-notch interior linemen. Given Dawson's frame, I think it's also a possibility that the Wolverines think of him as a possibility at center, a huge need for this class. Either way, Michigan could use the depth on the line as soon as the 2013 season, and Dawson provides a high-quality option moving forward along the interior of the line.

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

I've said my piece on Dawson—he's a major talent at guard and should be a starter there down the road. In a pinch, he could also figure into the rotation at right tackle (or, with lefty Shane Morris at QB, left tackle). With Michigan looking to go MANBALL with their running game, he's a perfect fit up front.

 

Don

January 1st, 2017 at 7:17 PM ^

then I guess I can understand the desire to get some PT elsewhere. I just wonder if he'll regret passing up the opportunity to be a contributing part of a BIG championship next year.

 

MinWhisky

January 1st, 2017 at 8:38 PM ^

Drevno has had 2 years to have a significant impact on developing players like Dawson and the 3 graduating 5th-year seniors.  It hasn't happened.  Tired of hearing their relatively poor-average play blamed entirely on Hoke and his staff.  Why do Harbaugh and his coaches get a free pass?  They should be held accountable, especially for what we saw during the last 4 games of this season, IMO.

1974

January 1st, 2017 at 8:53 PM ^

You're completely ignoring another possibility: Lack of talent.

Keep in mind that Chris Fox was injured, so he doesn't really count. Kyle Bosch had another issue and is actually playing for West Virginia, so he doesn't count, either. Samuelson was the least highly rated and, by appearances, the least talented. It happens. Finally, LTT had, well, an issue of his own. He wasn't on a great trajectory, but he was a boom-or-bust guy.

That leaves Kugler and Dawson. Both had the stars and high ratings, but the O-line is really difficult to scout and no-name guys often end up doing well. It could be that Hoke just wasn't very good at identifying talent there. His hit rate looks brutal.

MinWhisky

January 1st, 2017 at 10:42 PM ^

They are the 3, 5th year seniors I specifically referenced.  Drevno worked with them for 2+ years, but they didn't seem to improve much, if at all.  I think Drevno has to take responsibility for that lack of development.  If you tell me that's the best that could he could have done with those players, then I think he should have gotten some younger players in there and developed them.

ca_prophet

January 2nd, 2017 at 12:31 AM ^

That seems like some nice development to me.  He was also solid last year after vexing inconsistencies before Drevno, and his UFR grades demonstrate some serious improvement over the last two years.

Magnusen has not taken a big leap, but he has improved at the margins - he's making fewer mistakes and his UFR grades reflect that.

Ben Braden went from a guy who couldn't ID his assignment and would fall over in a stiff breeze to a solid OL with flashes of excellence over the course of last year, and continued to be at worst solid this year.  Again, check UFR.

Overall, what I see is an OL which was pretty much the sum of its parts, but where Drevno managed to improve most of the parts.

If you look at how Kalis/Magnusen/Braden were playing before Drevno, and how they're playing now, and you don't think they've "really improved at all", you're not watching the same game the rest of us are.

Our biggest problem is that our OL is not yet championship caliber.  With the increased degree of difficulty in picking up Harbaugh's run game, we need top-caliber lineman in waves, so that they have a year of apprenticeship and strength training before we need them to perform.

Our OL recruiting might need to be even better than it has been.

 

Bertello NC

January 2nd, 2017 at 10:00 AM ^

Ya there is no question Drevno is a solid developer of Olinemen. Our issues are in the identifying talent department. Which really doesn't have anything to do with our current Oline and JH and TDrev. We just need better athletes along the line plain and simple. It's why it really sucks we missed on Wilson. But Figaila looks like a solid athlete for a tackle, let's pray we can woo him. Ruiz looks good as well. I think we have to give JH and Drev a few cycles and a chance to develop their own before we come down hard.



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MinWhisky

January 2nd, 2017 at 10:20 AM ^

I would expect some Oline improvement during a 2-year period, even if there wasn't an OLine coach, simply because of experience, maturation, etc.

I've been watching the same team as everyone else and I just haven't seen any significant difference in the OLine play, especially against decent teams.  What I see is that the holes aren't there, the QB runs for his life, and there is no push on short yardage plays and / or inside the 10 yard line, especially in the 4th quarter .  

You talk about needing "a year of apprenticeship and strength training" in order to perform.  Most of this current Oline has had 2 YEARS under Drevno and the Strength & Conditioning coach.  So that argument doesn't wash.

So, I maintain that the Oline problems persist and the coaching is not there.  

Most worrisome is that if a problem is not recognized and addressed, then it will continue to persist.

Getting other players is NOT the solution.  The quality of the incoming players, according to the recruiting rankings, has been fine.  This graduating class, in particular, by their 4th and 5th year, were supposed to be a BEASTs, according to many posters on MGoBlog.  That hasn't happened and none of the newer classes have as many highly rated prospects the one I'm talking about. 

Seth

January 2nd, 2017 at 1:57 AM ^

Drevno has a track record. Developing OL takes a long time even when it's guys you recruited. OL were a problem across the conference this year to attest to that. Ohio State started a true freshman at LG too and that went as badly as Bredeson. Mags hit his ceiling long ago. Kalis was good at times but that was a long term reclamation project, and what goes for Kalis is true for Dawson. And Drevno did wonders with Braden. And there is a huge gap because the 2014 and 2015 classes were recruited under bad conditions. So the guys that Drevno really could pick put were true freshmen this year. Do you really want to give up on the guy who developed great offensive lines at Stanford and San Diego because this year's performance wasn't up to your standards? That's why I find complaints about Drevno the hottest of takes right now. Right up there with hating on Speight.

MinWhisky

January 2nd, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^

Yes, the teams on which Drevno coached were very successful.  But how much of that was due to his coaching is up for debate. 

If it takes 2 years to develop OLinemen, then you have to throw out the 1st two years of any college tenure.

And you have to be very careful about comparing coaching in the pros to coaching in college.  Huge differences and being successful in one doesn't necessarily transfer to the other.

Cherry-picking data like "Ohio State started a true freshman at LG too and that went as badly as Bredeson" because I'm sure I could find multiple examples where freshmen did an outstanding job.  (I believe Penn State and Indiana are good examples) 

I'm not at all sold on Drevno, but I admit there might be other factors that contribute to making it difficult for the OLine to look good (e.g. average, at best, QB play, a corps of RBs with limited capabilities, predictable play calling, etc.)

Amaznbluedoc

January 2nd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^

Absolutely, OL development takes time and usually more so than with other skill positions.  Most OL guys come in with physical acumen but lesser training than say backs or WR.  Doubt me?  Look at the NFL and those teams with young OL's - and those kids spent 4-5 years at the highest level in college.  Blocking skills, reading D's, knowing assignments, adjusting, and executing take time to acquire and perfect.  It's easier to learn how to run a dozen routes and rely on athleticism and timing than it is to be an OL.

Devno has some cred and has worked with Harbaugh since his early days at SDSU all of the way through to the '49'ers.  If I have any criticism, it's that Drevno may have too many responsibilities as both OL and OC.  Personally, I would rather see Harbaugh go out and find the best OC in much the same vein that he went after Don Brown.

MinWhisky

January 2nd, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^

Haven't seen him in person, but he looks huge.  Plus, he's got to be very athletic, especially relative to other OL players.  Seems like a sure bet.  I know we're all familiar with the 'tackle eligible' play, but I wonder if it's possible to get imaginative and create a whole scheme of plays built around a 'tackle eligible' POSITION.  Wouldn't Wheatley be a natural for that twist?

NJblue2

January 2nd, 2017 at 2:07 AM ^

He's a funny guy, his twitter cracks me up sometimes. It's a shame he's leaving. Thanks for everything and good luck in the future. Next year is really scary though. Pretty much no OL depth, replacing 3 starters, and losing starters everywhere. I really hope we pull an OSU and all our inexperienced guys step up.

Magnum P.I.

January 2nd, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^

I really sympathize with a kid like Dawson. He and his whole network probably felt like he was on the NFL track while he was a senior in high school and started to embrace those expectations and all the material rewards that come with them. 

Four years later, here he is: one last chance to break out and make it to the league. Harbaugh was probably honest with him about being behind Onwenu and Bredeson on the depth chart. So, what do you do with so much potentially on the line? Sure, you could say that he had little chance of making the league since he hasn't been able to get playing time at Michigan, but I guarantee you that Dawson and his family still believe that he has what it takes. 

I hope he finds a team where he can start, and I hope he does make it.

Sinner

January 3rd, 2017 at 3:00 AM ^

I never really see this happen head FOR Michigan. Or at least I can't think of a time when we brought someone on. Does it ever? Has it panned out?