Bring Out Your Dead Institutions: an O’Bannon Post-Mortem Comment Count

BiSB

Stacks on stacks

Oh, hey there. We have to stop meeting like this.

We don’t meet. We’re the same person. I just hit Ctrl-B and I’m you.

So I’m Tyler Durden, and you’re… Robert Paulson? No, that was Meat Loaf. Wait, Edward Norton didn’t have a name in that movie, did he? Huh. I guess I never realized that.

And neither of us knows Helena Bonham-Carter. But watching Michigan football these days is like punching yourself in the face in a parking lot, so I guess that works.

I’ll be over here making soap if you need anything

Anywho, the O’Bannon trial ended last Friday, and it’s time to poke the corpse with a stick for a while. Many people spent the weeks and months up to the trial saying that the NCAA was probably screwed. Many of those same people spent the three weeks of the trial declaring that the NCAA was DEFINITELY screwed (and mocking them at every turn). And then came the last day of the trial, in which the plaintiffs had a bad day and some people declared that the NCAA was only mostly dead. So, to clear things up, I’ll make the following nuanced legal prediction:

The NCAA remains deeply and profoundly screwed. I think.

We shall delve into the ways, and the likely outcomes, but if you don’t want to read beyond the impending blather and the jump and the more blather, you may enjoy this Fourth of July weekend comfortable in the knowledge that Mark Emmert will, in short order, have a sad.

So why did everyone say the NCAA might not have to go on the cart?

Well, the thing about anti-trust law…

[returns to rendering fat]

…is that it isn’t the remedy for all ills caused by gigantic douchey monoliths. The plaintiff (O’Bannon) has the burden of showing violations of antitrust law, not just terrible behavior; the NCAA could have burned the entire 1995 UCLA Bruins basketball at the stake and it wouldn’t be an antitrust violation. As sports law and antitrust guru Michael McCann put it, antitrust law is “about protecting competition in the marketplace for the benefit of consumers and marketplace participants.” O’Bannon has to point to a specific defined market that the NCAA is harming, and to identify who the buyers are and who the sellers are in the market, as well as the specific harm created to consumers or market participants. If you can’t figure out how that works when we’re talking about college sports, you’re in the company of at least one federal judge.

The plaintiffs struggled to articulate these things at the weird closing argument Q&A the judge did, because it doesn’t really map to college football very well. But while it is understandable, if O’Bannon can’t explain how the NCAA is harming consumers in a specific market, the NCAA could skate.

[AFTER THE JUMP: NSFMBF]

So you’re saying the NCAA might actually WIN this clown show?

Gotta Do It

Not so fast my bolded friend. The plaintiffs put all of the pieces of an antitrust violation into the record, and they still get to submit a final brief to tie it all together. They can also throw a few theories out there, and as long as something sticks, the plaintiffs are in business.  As McCann points out, there is a decent argument in the rubble of these three weeks:

Watch for O’Bannon’s lawyers to simplify their argument in forthcoming filings. They will likely define the relevant market in a straightforward way: Colleges are the buyers and prospective and current student-athletes are the sellers. Through this lens, athletes sell their athletic services to colleges but are denied compensation for the commercial use of their names, images and likenesses. The denial arises because of amateurism rules, which allegedly reveal collusion by the NCAA and its member institutions.

And given how one-sided the trial was generally, any colorable theory will probably be good enough. My guess is that the transcript from economist Roger Noll will probably have more than enough by itself. 

What about all of those arguments you claimed the NCAA had? Did any of them stick?

Yeah, notsomuch. As we discussed, the NCAA put forth several theories of about how their rules provided a net positive; that they provided more benefit to the athletes than they did harm. Those arguments played out very not well for The Man. The four arguments were as follows:

1)  Competitive balance: The current NCAA structure fosters a competitive balance that would be significantly altered by the elimination of these restrictions, to the detriment of the athletes.

Sure, in the abstract, Middle Tennessee State is operating under the same rules as Alabama, and that they are therefore theoretically on equal footing. But you the plaintiffs didn’t have to dig too deep to prove that this was… uh… not remotely true. Several plaintiff witnesses (especially Roger Noll, who was worth his weight in gold) provided evidence that there is no competitive balance. A ‘fair’ fight is not the same as a competitive fight. You can’t put Tyson in the ring with a 3rd grader, lay down some ground rules, and expect a healthy competition. The numbers bear that out; in both football and men’s basketball, top recruits ALL choose FBS schools, and the vast, vast majority of them choose schools in power conferences. A small subset of teams always comprises the Top 25, an even smaller subset always comprises the Top 10, and an even smaller subset of the subset comprises the Top 1.

Sure, if Big Ten teams decide they can pay players, and Sun Belt teams don’t, Sun Belt teams will probably be at an even greater disadvantage. But how is this any different than the current regime? Teams face these kinds of keeping-up-with-the-Joneses pressures anyway. Wanna compete with Bama and Michigan and Texas? You’d better pour some serious resources into recruiting, facilities, coaches, and unlimited snacks. And despite the fact that those pressures have grown stronger, teams keep trying to join the highest echelons, not flee them.

This was a constant refrain from the plaintiffs: the college football industry does not show the hallmarks of a struggling industry that can’t afford to pay players. Rising salaries, participants trying hard to get INTO the market, and significant capital investments aren’t the kinds of things you expect to see in a struggling industry.

Benjamins

2) Integration with the University: The current NCAA structure helps to facilitate the integration of academics and athletics in student life, and it provides for more competition for athletes, and eliminating NCAA restrictions would destroy that integration.

This has been tricky for both sides, because they’ve had to argue in anecdotal evidence. The plaintiffs try to paint a picture of athletics as a full-time job in which kids are athletes first and students second. They also tried to argue that it sets students apart from mere mortals; they introduced plenty of evidence, pointing out several athletes-only dorms and other athletic support facilities. The parties argued whether athletes take the same classes and majors, or if some of the “classes” and “majors” were specifically designed to get around the whole “college” aspect of college athletics.* Some of the dumbest pieces of evidence have come out of this topic. The NCAA pointed out the fact that a player tweeted about watching television, because if he has time to watch TV he’s just a regular student with down-time to be all normal and stuff.

The NCAA’s problem was that they introduced NO evidence that players receiving money will somehow make them less integrated into college life and academics, or that there is any benefit to competition from the purported integration. Their attempts to do so haven’t been very effective from a legal standpoint, and have been disastrous from a PR standpoint. NCAA witnesses pontificated about the importance of players playing for school pride and “love of the game," and how playing for a paycheck would be different, but in what can only be a news flash to the NCAA, EVERYONE GOES TO COLLEGE FOR MONEY. No one gets an engineering degree because they love circuits.

Judge Wilken determined before the trial that the NCAA “must present evidence to show that (1) the ban on student-athlete compensation actually contributes to the integration of education and athletics and (2) the integration of education and athletics enhances competition” among the universities for football and men's basketball players. I don’t think they did either part, at least not well.

[*North Carolina, we’re looking in your direction. And we just received 3 credits in “Looking in North Carolina’s Direction 101,” which is a pre-requisite to that coveted Visual Acuity major.]

3) Amateurism is vital: Amateurism is a key component of college sports, and the current NCAA model reflects and provides for that “amateurism” in a way that would be materially degraded if these rules were eliminated or weakened.

Possibly the crux of the whole dealy. The NCAA has argued that no one will watch college football if players get paid. It’ll blend into the background of other sports, because it will lose its unique cache. To support this point, the NCAA introduced public opinion surveys in which people said they don’t want players to get paid, and that players getting paid would affect their interest in the sports. There are, however, two problems with those surveys. The first is that this kind of polling rarely matches actual behavior; people often say they believe one thing, and might genuinely think that, but their actions don’t match their words at all. It’s called the value-action gap (or the attitude-behavior gap). For example in every poll most people hated the old division names, but that had virtually zero effect on 2011 ticket sales.

The second problem is that they didn’t really ask clear questions. Getting players “paid” can mean everything from boosters cutting $500k checks to players being full-on professionals to players getting a couple thousand dollars in stipends or letting them sell their signature.

The bigger issue for the NCAA is the mountain of evidence from the plaintiffs demonstrating that the players are already commercialized within an inch of their lives. They showed players wearing Tostido’s jersey patches, in front of sponsor logo backdrops, on sponsored promotional materials, and in and around corporate sponsors in about 12 other ways. They showed that players are ALREADY PAID, and that the NCAA has talked about increasing the amount players can receive. There is no reason to see this any differently than the NLRB saw it; the only difference between these guys and professionals is that you don’t cut them an actual paycheck.

The most amusing exchanges have been when NCAA witnesses have tried to warn of the potential for reforms to open the door for third parties (such as boosters) to pay players. The judge reacted to those argument with a resounding “and?”  It’s sort of fun watching someone who hasn’t been bathed in NCAA hysterical doctrine reacting to such things.

4) The Zero-Sum Game Argument: forcing schools to pay money will mean there will be fewer opportunities for players 

The NCAA tried to argue that much of the college football giant Scrooge McDuck coin vault fountain revenue stream goes to things like academic support, player scholarship, etc., and if the schools have to pay revenue to players, they would have to either cut back on spending in such support areas or just offer scholarships to fewer players which would result in fewer opportunities for players. The problem is that the plaintiffs were VERY effective in showing the places that money currently goes that could be otherwise directed to the players. Long story short, coaches’ salaries are out of control and Bama is building waterfalls. Wilken seemed very interested in the NCAA’s explanation of where all of their revenue goes (especially when the NCAA literally couldn’t account for it all).

The broader point is that even if SOME teams wouldn’t be able to afford as much other stuff, some would be able to provide MORE stuff. That’s how free market economics work, and it’s kind of the plaintiffs’ whole point; the market would have a natural equilibrium without these restrictions, and said equilibrium would involve players receiving more than they currently do.

Scrooge

Okay, so does the NCAA have ANY shot?

I see three ways the NCAA can actually win the case:

  1. O’Bannon can’t put together a coherent antitrust theory. Likelihood: 10%
  2. One of the NCAA’s justifications is actually good enough to save the current system. Likelihood: 4%
  3. Wilken buys some sort of overarching penumbra argument that college sports is good and if you change this it might kill it and Y U HATE AMERICA? Likelihood: 1%

So by my amazingly unscientific reasoning, the NCAA is about a 5-to-1 dog at this point, and even that seems generous. They do, however, have a couple of backdoor cover opportunities:

  • Appeal. An appellate court doesn’t even need to reverse Wilken’s ultimate decision and almost inevitable injunction, because even if they just reverse some of her rulings (such as her decision to not permit the NCAA to offer an alternative defense that the rules protect non-revenue sports), it could result in a reversal or a new trial.
  • Winning by not losing too bad. At this point, I think the NCAA would take a simple “you can’t require players to sign over their NIL rights to you” injunction and run SCREAMING naked through the park. The NCAA knows it has room to absorb a blow, so if they don’t get hit with anything that involves paying players for broadcast rights or fundamentally altering the NCAA rules around athlete compensation from schools, I think they’d call that a decent result.

KenPom time: what does the injunction look like?

Just a complete wild-ass guess, but I’ll say it consists of the following:

  • Prevent the NCAA from forcing players to sign over NIL rights, or to use them for commercial products (i.e. video games) without OPTIONAL player consent and compensation.
  • Force the NCAA to permit players to take advantage of their own NIL rights through endorsements.
  • Force the NCAA to allow schools to compensate athletes through group licensing rights without eligibility restrictions.
  • Athlete NIL compensation must be placed in a trust until graduation
  • Doesn’t touch NIL broadcast rights.

I’m iffiest on the concept of third-party endorsements, but I think it happens.

Comments

Monocle Smile

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:06 AM ^

If the NCAA was really setting up the best system for everyone involved and honestly had the best interests of the athletes at heart, their case would already be made and they'd have the obvious upper hand from day one.

Instead, they got their asses absolutely handed to them on AT LEAST points 3 and 4. Like, they hired expensive lawyers and trotted out a bunch of witnesses and it STILL looked like no effort was sunk into the case.

GoWings2008

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:14 AM ^

Dude, I love reading your stuff, but you are either extremely gifted or very disturbed.  Or maybe a combination of both.

But....bravo.  Great read and very informative.

Ivan Karamazov

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:29 AM ^

I appreciate the legal insight combined with just enough wit to make legal proceedings sound fun.  As an engineer though I do take slight offense to the subtle jab that engineers only get engineering degrees to make money, we can enjoy our jobs too.  If I wanted to get a degree only make money I would have gone for an MBA.

BiSB

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:14 AM ^

It was just an example. Lots of engineers very much enjoy engineering school (which is why I got out of there: I DIDN'T love it, so I realized I didn't really belong). But I'd venture a guess that every single person in engineering, just like every other student in every other major, has an eye on the career aspects associated with a degree, including future salary.

spacemanspiff231

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:25 AM ^

I know plenty of people that chose majors just for love of the subject and didn't care at all about what might come after, especially those who majored in things like English literature, art, dance, etc. The same applies to literally thousands of student athletes that play whatever sport they're in, including basketball and football, knowing full well they'll  never be stars or go pro. Some examples: Andrew Dakich, Spike Albrecht, Jack Wangler, Bo Dever, etc. Do they hope that maybe they might break out and become a star? Sure. Do they expect to? I highly doubt it.

JeepinBen

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:31 AM ^

But did they graduate? And is their BA on their resume? Then it does help with job prospects. You could study dance and not go to college, but you wouldn't benefit from it either. I did lots of "extra curriculars" but I wasn't paying tuition or going to use it for a job/grad school/something besides enjoyment.

TennBlue

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^

For 99% of college athletes, a college scholarship is the only compensation their athletic abilities will ever get them.  Their market value is actually negative.

 

The idea of destroying the system and screwing that 99% so that the top 1% can get wealthy a couple years sooner seems outrageously wrong. 

 

College athletics has plenty of problems that need to be fixed, but overt professionalism doesn't fix any of them.

HipsterCat

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^

But it wouldnt destroy the system to allow athletes a percentage of the use of their image. Schools would still bring in money, NCAA would still make money, just probably not as much. Michigan would still get a cut for any jersey sold since they own the rights to the logo, name, i assume the colors or something but all those 98 jerseys sold after Gardner got the legend number would have a portion go to him. Maybe it causes prices to go up as schools try to compensate, but it would allow the free market to act as its intended. 

TennBlue

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^

Player endorsements were a major source of corruption in the past.   College athletes as pitchmen for commercial products is a bad idea if you're serious about amatuerism and fairness.  At one time, the Michigan football captain had a wardrobe supplied by a Detroit clothier so that his fans would all shop there and dress like him.  Another Michgan captain had a brand of cigars from which he got a cut of the sales.  Yale's captain had his own brand of cigarettes, conveniently displayed on the counters of all the businesses frequented by Yale fans.

 

The players become professional athletes, but with compensation coming from businesses rather than the university.  It's a distinction without a difference.

 

It's not about players signing autographs for money, it's about Phil Knight offering blue-chippers a million dollars a year for endorsing Nike products if they'll attend Oregon.

 

You have to think in terms of how the process could be abused, because it will be.  Most NCAA regulations exist to restrict alumni from abusing the system to the benefit of their alma mater rather than the actions of the players.

AeonBlue

July 3rd, 2014 at 1:38 PM ^

"Player endorsements were a major source of corruption in the past. College athletes as pitchmen for commercial products is a bad idea if you're serious about amateurism and fairness."

 

The NCAA isn't serious about amateurism and fairness. If that were the case there would be a hard-cap on coach's salaries, on facility expenditure, and enforced income distribution between the sports a school has. Middle Tennessee State cannot compete because they don't have the money to pay a coach $6M/Year or build a stadium that holds 80k+ fans. They can't put in a rec facility with PS4s and pool tables for their players.

The current system is unfair not only to the institutions but to the players as well. Allowing the players to benefit off of their likeness is at least fair to the players. Nothing major will change. The institutions that can afford new facilities and 7-digit coach salaries can also afford some form of player compensation. Those that can't, can't. You're still going to have the same top-50 you do every year. It's. Not. Different.

Those points aside, I'm fairly certain that you're still not going to see just whomever is QB at Oregon in a Nike ad on national TV. You'll probably get the top 10 or so players from the previous year film some endorsements in the off-season but 90% of what you will see is Devin Gardner's face on a WTKA billboard on M-23; small-time local endorsements. If I'm Nike I'm not shelling out big dough to put someone's face on an ad that only maybe 4-5% of the population will recognize. I want the Manziels, the Tebows, the T'eos, or I'm going with a pro-athelete.

Bronco Joe

July 3rd, 2014 at 9:12 PM ^

I believe this was addressed in the article: 

"The most amusing exchanges have been when NCAA witnesses have tried to warn of the potential for reforms to open the door for third parties (such as boosters) to pay players. The judge reacted to those argument with a resounding “and?”  It’s sort of fun watching someone who hasn’t been bathed in NCAA hysterical doctrine reacting to such things."

What difference does it make if Denard's face sells cars for the local dealership or some other endorsement? I worked at Detroit Edison as an engineering student, and aside from getting some experience in the field I pursued, it also paid almost twice as much as the gas station where I was working midnights. 

There simply is no rationale for why the players shouldn't get paid if they are able to sell their NIL, except that someone says, "I don't like it." 

TennBlue

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:30 PM ^

that goes back to the 1880s when colleges discovered that the general public would pay good money to watch college football.  We're not going to settle it here.The fight against professionalism and commercialism in college football existed long before the NCAA did.  My point was that we've been here before, and allowing player endorsement of commercial products resulted in lots of problems that colleges found objectionable.  We don't need to reinvent the wheel.

 

At the heart of it was that long ago colleges decided they weren't in the entertainment business, and paid athletes had no place in the college world.  The reality has rarely matched the ideal, but that doesn't mean the ideal should be abandoned.  It is difficult to reconcile professional athletics with the educational mission of a university.

 

The irony is that while college football's commerciallism is at unprecedented levels, college athletics currently comes closer to the amateur ideal than at any point in its previous history.  My personal preference would be to get rid of the commercialism rather than abandoning amateurism.

BiSB

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^

If a B-Schooler takes a paid internship between his junior an senior year, his motivation suddenly changes and he is not the same student as a senior? Because that's the NCAA's argument.

People go to college for money. Not all, maybe, but most. We never care about that outside college athletics.

ifis

July 3rd, 2014 at 5:17 PM ^

One can go to university for professional - not always synonymous with money - and personal (e.g. love of learning, personal growth) reasons. University is not trade school. Also, the humanities are not necessarily a bad career move, depending on one's goals. This is especially true in undergraduate education. I can honestly say that a broad, liberal education served me well personally and professionally.

JeepinBen

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^

And Circuits suck.

However cars are awesome*, have thought so forever, and now I design car parts. It doesn't hurt that Mechanical Engineering is typically a top-5-starting-salary-4-year-degree, but that's not why I chose it.

To BiSB's basic point, the reason to go to college is to get a degree, the reason to get a degree is to get a better paying job than you could get without one. Expedited - go to college to get more money.

Getting a degree that you want to (like if someone, Brian, for example, likes circuits) isn't in his argument.

*Why are cars awesome? Stuff like this:

 

Hail-Storm

July 3rd, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

I am an engineer but started in the SNRE.  I found that I did not belong and was weird for taking calc and physics classes as my electives.  I decided to switch to engineering where I'd get to do the stuff I really enjoyed.  I still was going to college to get a career so I could live, and was lucky enough to get a field that matched what I like.

I also think it is ok for players to enjoy football AND get paid for it.  I don't think it has to be one or the other.

Snake Eyes

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:32 AM ^

If your predictions hold true and recruits can receive endorsement deals, let's get a MGoBlog collection going to start buying commitments of 3-5 recruits each year.  It shouldn't even be that hard.

There were 1562 backers of the season preview kickstarter.  I assume each of those people would be willing to give $15-25 a month each year to actually make a tangible contribution to The Team, The Team, The Team!  That's close to $300k each year to buy the commitment of.... erm fairly compensate for their endorsement of the blog... several recruits each year.

MGoBlog annually raises $10k in one week for one of Brian's friend's charities that nobody ever heard of because it is kind of neat to see Michigan at the top of a tote board.  Imagine what we could raise if our money directly affected something we truly care about.

Brandon already has all their contact info.  He just needs to let them know that once a prized recruit signs on the dotted line, they don a photobomb shirt and collect their pay check.

Alton

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^

An interesting fact that nobody seems to be discussing is that the Big Ten (along with, presumably, several other conferences) most likely has its own amateurism rules that actually predate the NCAA amateurism rules.

This excellent summary by BiSB includes the idea that the court might "[f]orce the NCAA to allow schools to compensate athletes through group licensing rights without eligibility restrictions."  Fine, let's say this happens.  The NCAA, by court order, repeals all of its bylaws that prevent athletes from receiving licensing money.  The Big Ten constitution or bylaws somewhere states that it is an amateur athletic conference, and the court order most likely can't apply to the Big Ten, right?

(I Am Not A Lawyer, but since Mr. O'Bannon himself had nothing to do with the Big Ten, and the Big Ten is not a defendant, and it operates entirely outside the court's jurisdictional area, I'm assuming the Big Ten bylaws won't be touched as a result of this case).

If the Big Ten Conference declares that their amateurism guidelines don't permit athlete compensation for their "NIL rights" (sorry, I don't know what NIL stands for), will this upcoming ruling on the O'Bannon case even change anything at all here at Michigan?

jwendt

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^

Obviously a lot of speculation about possible outcomes involved in both the article and your comment, but supposing that all comes to pass ...

While the Big Ten may not be immediately the subject of the ruling, the ruling would establish the precedent by which a similar case could immediately be brought against any conference attempting to do those things that the NCAA was just told it couldn't do.  I doubt they'd bother.

That said, there would be a lot of change coming and a whole bunch of schools and conferences would have to establish their own rules for dealing with whatever the new landscape looks like.

Alton

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:14 AM ^

But wouldn't a suit against the Big Ten have to start from a significantly different premise?  It is pretty easy to prove that the NCAA is a trust, since to have any success at all in college athletics, a school is pretty much required to belong to the NCAA.  (No, the NAIA doesn't count).

But you can't really say the same thing about the Big Ten.  The Big Ten can point at Notre Dame, and say look--the Big Ten doesn't even dominate its own region in terms of television coverage, so how can you call them an illegal trust?  They are just an association of 14 schools who have set up some rules for themselves to facilitate athletic competition.  Or something like that.

Your third paragraph is spot on--there is a lot of change coming to the landscape, and the Big Ten would certainly be well served to get out in front of this instead of reacting to it.

BiSB

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:19 AM ^

Just because the NCAA rules vanish doesn't mean individual schools or conferences can't have rules. And most still would to some extent, and they would probably look similar to current rules in many respects. Which is part of the reason the NCAA's OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN is overblown.

GoBlueNorthside

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^

As far as I know, normal students are allowed to monetize their skills while they are in school. They can start businesses, they can enter in to paid competitions, they can go on internships. As an engineer, I went on 3 summer internships where towards the end I was earning above the median household income. I'm not trying to brag, I'm trying to say that during the summers I could monetize what I learned in school, but these student-atheletes are being told they can't because that's not what normal students do. As BiSB said, school is entirely about making money

El Jeffe

July 3rd, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^

I am far from a free market zealot, largely because there are no free markets--they are all regulated by human intervention to one degree or another.

/ Marx

However, it absolutely boggles my mind that it is illegal for someone to pay College Denard Robinson to appear at some golf outing by taking a cut of whatever entrance fee human beings with free will paid to be there, in part to see College Denard Robinson.

It also boggles my mind that when sales of blue jersies with maize number 16s suddenly spike in both volume and price, coincident with the attendance of College Denard Robinson at UM, probably 1,000 people are making money off of those sales and not one of them is College Denard Robinson.

I'm a little skittish on Michigan being able to offer KLS the Robert and Nancy Teitelbaum Endowed WDE position for $1.1M, but surely there are ways to distribute a bit more of the giant Scrooge McDuck Doubloon Swimming Pool to the people who fill it with doubloons.

jwendt

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^

Keep in mind that when you buy Denard's NFL jersey, he doesn't get an extra cut of that either.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but NFL licensing is split amonst the teams and the players.  The NFLPA has agreed to all sorts of uses of the players names and likenesses (Madden, jerseys, t-shirts, etc.).  For those, the NFLPA receives some amount which is then distributed to the players in equal proportions.

JeepinBen

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:29 AM ^

And if you are correct, it shows why the NRLB union ruling for northwestern is critical. In the NFL, the NFLPA agrees to things like jersey sales. In the NCAA, the players have ZERO representation of any kind.

It's fitting that the NCAA, with their "we're great for the student athletes!" didn't call a single one to the witness stand.

The FannMan

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

The NFLPA represents all players in the NLF.  In college, it goes by schools.  The public schools are not even under the jurisdiction of the NLRB. Some states do not allow public employees to unionize at all.  Therefore there will be no collective marketing. 

TreyBurkeHeroMode

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^

My understanding of NFL licensing is that individual NFL players sign their image rights away to the team for anything NFL or team-related but retain those rights for other endorsements. The NFLPA only gets involved when there's six or more players involved.

As far as individual players getting paid, my understanding is that the NFLPA gets something like a 10 percent cut at the wholesale level of jersey sales, with (IIRC) 75 percent going to the individual player and 25 percent going to a pool for all active players.

(Note that this is possibly outdated info from a one-time engagement on behalf of a potential sponsor. I am neither Darren Rovell nor a lawyer.)

saveferris

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^

It also boggles my mind that when sales of blue jersies with maize number 16s suddenly spike in both volume and price, coincident with the attendance of College Denard Robinson at UM, probably 1,000 people are making money off of those sales and not one of them is College Denard Robinson.
It's not just sales of jerseys with the Number 16 spiking, it's how retailers stock large quantities of jerseys in only certain numbers that just happen to correllate with the some high profile players currently on the roster are wearing. I was in Ann Arbor last weekend and wandered into the M Den and the only football jersey you could buy off the rack was Number 98. Now talking heads like Delaney and Brandon will probably claim coincidence or honoring the memory of Tom Harmon so some other lie like that, but it's obviously bullshit.

snarling wolverine

July 3rd, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^

There is a more plausible counterargument, though, which is that most fans don't really care what the jersey number is - they just want a Michigan jersey.    You don't see many people buying new jerseys each year to get the latest star player's number.  Most people have their one jersey that they bought sometime in the last decade and stick with it (I'm still rocking a jersey I bought in 1998).

 

 

MadMatt

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^

Dude,

I am a lawyer, and that was about as comprehensible an explanation of a complicated legal concept as I have ever read.  Well done sir.

youn2948

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^

Would this allow Nik Stauskas to have that 3-point competition in his back yard with Stephen Curry?

Does this make it likely that athletes can get paid and a NCAA Football 15+ could be created?

Great post, so much better than the standard:  OMG College sports dead, NCAA Retarded, O'Bannon is just stirring shit, LAWYERS GET PAID OMGZ.

Everyone Murders

July 3rd, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

This is a nice write-up, and I assume many of us appreciate the effort and thought behind it.  I'm not as invested in this whole issue as many around here seem to be, so I throw this out there without having drilled deeply into this case.

With that preamble, I think you touch too lightly on the issue of appeal.  Unless I'm missing something, whoever loses this case will almost certainly appeal it.  And, since the vast majority of the issues at play seem to be legal (rather than factual) in nature, it seems that the bulk of the case will be re-heard de novo - i.e., without the trial court's determinations on such matters having any binding effect on the appellate court.

So whoever wins this first round, in my eyes, should not be popping the corks on the champagne just yet.  Maybe just open some Champale, and see how it goes on appeal. 

BiSB

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^

I intended to go deeper into the appellate stuff, but I was already at like 2200 words and I wanted sleepy. You're right, though. On appeal, everything is up in the air... which will hopefully provide fodder for another article. Summer content ain't easy.

readyourguard

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:19 PM ^

Are those on the plantiffs side there just because they despise Mark Emmert, Jim Delaney, and Dave Brandon? Why not similar hate for Brady Hoke? He's making $4.5Million a year off the backs of these kids too? Isn't that what this is all about? Rich white millionaires making loads of cash?

Everyone Murders

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

There's a lot in your short post.  (TWSS.)

First, it's interesting that you seem to think it may be partially a racial issue ("rich white millionaires").  The EA case is a lot of things, but it seems a stretch to think the racial component - to the extent there is one -  is significant. 

Second, many are sympathetic to the plaintiffs here because O'Bannon et al. had their images appropriated by EA years after they left college.  Disliking Emmert, Delaney and Brandon has little to do with that aspect.

Third, a lot of us would love to have Brady Hoke "make his living off of our back".  (I say that having been a non-revenue athlete in a grueling sport.)  I believe, without knowing, that the bulk of the revenue athletes truly are playing college sports for the love of the game.  In short, I don't think Hoke is making his living off his players' backs.  I think he is working hard to set them up for success, and the market pays him silly money to do so.

(Also, as I post this it's just about 10 to 1.  Unfortunately, it's not Guinness time here just yet.)

SECcashnassadvantage

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^

Well we can now enjoy World Cup style advertising. Staee and others will sell to sign the big dollar guys once paying players hits, which is inevitable. Sad that free food, room, education, and first class travel isn't enough for an 18 year old. Let them join the military and get paid. Goodbye soccer, lacrosse, etc,.

falco_alba15

July 3rd, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^

Where I am fine with paying elite players. With one caveat. Those elite players must meet the admission standards of the school, not the NCAA. If the players were all scoring 29 - 36 on their ACTs and holding a 3.3 - 4.0 GPA through high school, then sure. They deserve to get paid. But frankly, because of the difference of admission standards, that is major compensation. This issue wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the NBA and the NFL putting a time gap for draft eligibility and not developing their own minor leagues for underage athletes.

DrewGOBLUE

July 4th, 2014 at 6:42 AM ^

Think how many kids would then end up passing on a scholarship because they don't want to play school? 17-18 year olds are often pretty naive and after being stars at the high school level, may not fully grasp how tough, and in most cases, unlikely it is they will make millions in the NFL or NBA. So after choosing to play in a minor league, lots of these guys would realize a few years later they aren't going to have lucrative pro careers, with no degree either.