when can we start panicking?
I GIVE UP ON HATING WISCONSIN
This has been the hot rumor the past couple days and TomVH has confirmed that redshirt freshman safety/LB Brandon Smith has received transfer papers and is looking to move on. Hurray.
Smith was a top-100 "athlete" in the hybrid Rodriguez/Carr class who technically committed after the transition had been announced but, like JT Floyd, was a Carr recruit all the way who was just stringing out his commitment for reasons unknown. So this could be a "Carr guy" moving on to a place he'd rather be. In any case it's the departure of one of the most highly rated players in a class entering its third year at a position, be it linebacker or safety, of desperate need.
Smith didn't seem to be working out, as he was too big and slow for safety and spent his game as a quasi—linebacker starter on skates, but there's zero upside here. He could have put on 20-30 pounds easily—his "frame" was a reason he was rated so highly—and eventually turned into a contributor at linebacker. At the very least he would have been a relatively veteran body on a defense that needs every last potential contributor. BONUS: Michigan can't even add anyone to replace him because of a mysterious but apparently real oversigning change that prevents Big Ten teams from backdating players who enroll early*. DOUBLE BONUS: Before the season I took a look at Michigan's APR and concluded that sanctions resulting from transfers were unlikely, but the attrition has continued at a pace that makes me nervous.
*(Which will definitely help the struggling conference compete nationally.)
when can we start panicking?
OK, my fingers are in my ears and I am officially yelling Laa, Laa, Laa, Laa for the next several months.
Some comments from him and Toney Clemons.
What the fuck man
Just poop all over the place
And I will proceed to continue to cry myself softly to sleep.
you know, when RR's still coaching in 2011.
Oh you mean Mary SUE Coleman the University of Michigan President. Yes given her track record with coaches he should get more time.
You obviously show that you know jack shit about Michigan when you get the name of the President wrong.
Next time when you want to stir up the pot/be a douchebag try to get your facts straight.
Maybe he was watching Gilligan's Island.
Since when did the board evolve to such a classy place?
My sign up date does not reflect that I am a veteran of the Haloscan era...when things were completely "Wild West" on the board. I lurked the new site for quite a while before deciding to jump in an comment for periods of time and then retreat into the Canadian wilderness after signing day (mostly).
I never encountered the sort of banhammer inducing idiocy that I have run into on the board in the last two weeks. First TomHagan, more recently that guy with 7 new names every day...and now this.
It is not hard to stay classy. Remember, Michigan Man?
As such, 8 wins in two years is not acceptable to me.
Get over yourself. It happened, and you have no say over it, or the road to improvement.
the name is Duuumaas.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say because your typing at an OSU level and not a Michigan level...
what your game, can anybody play?
No, that's Carrie-Ann. Who is Mary Ann?
But I realize, and you all will to, it will just take you a bit longer for you, that it hasn't worked and it won't worked.
Wow, that sentence is like a punch to my English Language Dong...
...will you agree never to post on this board again?
How ISN'T the phrase "Angry Michigan Safety-Hating God" used somewhere in this post?
and change it to "Angry Michigan-Hating God".
That is all.
My dong is down for the count. I can't take any more punches.
#1) SHUT UP!!! The sky is not falling.
#2) Redshirt frosh Brandon Smith had a lot of potential, yes. But he was also listed behind walk-on soph Kevin Leach at WLB. And walk-on frosh Jordan Kovacs at FS. He didn't have the man-to-man coverage skills to play SLB, and if S. Brown would have gotten hurt, walk-on frosh Floyd Simmons would have replaced him. His best bet was probably to put on a ton of weight and stick at WLB. He probably would have started at some point. He probably would have been average to above average. Nothing more, nothing less.
MLB: Ezeh (Sr), Fitzgerald (Jr), Demens (So), Bell (Fr)
WLB: Mouton (Sr), Leach (Jr), Jones (So)
SLB: Hawthorne (Fr), Kovacs? (So), Simmons (So), FURMAN? (Fr)
Most of the mistakes Ezeh and Mouton made last season we're mental, and are thus correctable. Those two will be better next season. Still, Fitz and Leach are going to puch both of them. Demens and Jones are going to get better as well. Bell adds to the position this season also. Save Leach, these are all great athletes with a lot of potential. We'll be fine!
you've gotten such poor reviews for this post, you haven't said anything to warrant it. guess it's a sensitive sunday today
I could not have put it any better. Things will improve in the second year under the same DC. Depth will not be so big of an issue and the athletic ability is there.
I am very concerned, however, about unused scholarships. Is there some kind of hardship waiver that UM can apply for to get in more than 25?
Nice post blueadams.
You're right, the sky isn't falling. It's already fallen. What else do you call 8-16 over the last two years at a place like Michigan? The main reason for this year's collapse was a defense that had been decimated by attrition. The problem is that Brandon Smith's transfer seems to indicate that our problems with attrition aren't over.
Brandon Smith was barely in the two deep. From the two deep the team loses, at most, 3-4 players for 2010. Plus, the following players become available and probably will contribute:
The Talbott kids
2-3 more commits (Hankins? Ash? Furman? Parker? Beachum?)
I see 12 actual contributors coming on board next year, and Brandon Smith is out the door. Why come you're so concerned?
don't forget Thomas Gordon, there have been some positive reports about him
So you think the 250 lb DT Talbott Kid, and the Two-star CB Talbott kid might contribute? In what way, exactly?
You're just listing young players randomly. Let's all admit the defense is screwed next year and (without a signing-day bonanza and all the greyshirt skeeziness that would involve) likely for years to come. Brandon Smith, of course, being merely the the icing on the cake here.
All these kids transferring probably does not help our recruiting pitch much, I'd imagine.
folks are a bit sensitive...what with Bowl season coming up and having to watch Little Brother and the Tebow love fest...
It's officially female.
My new course for hope: a hell of a lot of patience, with Mike Stoops/Arizona results. Forget dreams of national prominence in 2010 or 2011, but there is still reason to believe that Rodriguez will get the program where we want it to be, given time. There is also little reason to believe that a coaching change would lead to immediately improved results; the issues with the program will take some time, whether with Coach Rod or Coach X.
(Ask me again this time next year if I'm still willing to be that patient).
But if you were, this would be the most amazing act of trolling ever, if results were to be judged on its negative effect on the collective psyche of the board:
"My new course for hope: a hell of a lot of patience, with Mike Stoops/Arizona results."
That honestly made me feel nauseous.
It seemeth that the "remain calm" poster is an endangered species on this board. Hard to call this one - if he couldn't earn PT on that defense......
the guy's a project player on a deficient defense...what does that tell you? I wish him well and hope he can find a situation educationally that is good for him.
How much would APR reduction of scholarships really affect us? It seems that the "no back-dating" scholarships rule already seems to limit us. Can we just count those?
Does anyone know the rule for that? I guess Michigan's academic rules make it harder than usual, but is it not possible to poach a few players from elsewhere in college football -- have them come in with two years of eligibility left or whatever? Could the lost scholarships be used on them?
Otherwise, it doesn't seem like we'll be back at truly full strength until Rich has five full classes under him. Next year is only the second, really.
Recruiting is a crapshoot -- B. Smith is a perfect example. There are going to be a lot of recruits who never start or even play much. That's why Rich needs time. He was 15 scholarships short in 2009. Next year he'll be, what? 10 or so?
i couldn't care less about losing a guy who couldn't beat out a walk on. it's getting really old when people freak out over every bench player that wants to transfer so he can play instead of watch.
@brianshall - seriously? maybe you should think about transferring too.
its depth at a position of need, on a unit of need (defense), we're already dangerously below the scholarship level, he was a redshirt freshmen, and, finally, i dont know about everyone else, but i am really starting to get sick of the mass exodus of transfers.
we'll see if brandon smith is the only one but the more this happens the more i begin to think that whatever is going on over there doesnt look like its working. or at least the players dont think so.
...it's "depth," but it didn't appear to be depth that the coaches valued all that much. rarely has there been a better setup for a talented kid to get on the field, and smith wasn't able to do so. i hope he makes it somewhere else, for his sake, but i'm not hopeful.
He isn't very good yet, but sometimes those overmatched young players grow into serviceable veterans.
When you don't have established players, you need numbers because the more candidates you have, the better the chance that some of them will turn out to be good enough. Our numbers just went down by 1.
Is it too early to start drinking?
Please God - Help me. I can't take much more of this.
That oversigning rule really makes this a double whammy. No one will know if Smith would have ever developed into a contributing LB but the signing rule just delays a replacement for a year.
It would be nice if we could have brought in a LB in his place this year, redshirt next year and be a RS FR in 2011 in possible position to contribute since Ezeh and Mouton will be gone. Instead that spot will be a true FR thanks to this rule. Thanks Big Ten!
Anyone got some kittens? They might be good right about now.
Nope, didn't help me either. But vaguely metaphorical.
but you seem to have a problem with the term "vaguely".
Frustrated to near-insanity, despondent, and starving within inches of sustenance is a 99% EXACT metaphor for Michigan's football program at the moment.
One could achieve 100% metaphorical accuracy, but that would entail a Taser shot to the genitals.
Frustrated to near-insanity, despondent, and starving within inches of sustenance...
...set back by a temporary condition which, painful as it may be at the moment, ensures long-term strength and stability.
Still, as I sit here looking at the food just beyond my reach, I can't help but think...
especially if it works as it did with my cat. (As an aside, and not related to the metaphor, I believe that the kitten in the picture realized that it was possible to make a mess under the guise of trying to eat, and suddenly found that more entertaining than actually eating.)
At first, she saw the e-collar as evil. It sucked to wear and interfered at all times, regardless of its necessity. (She couldn't very well heal if she were pulling at her stitches.)
Later, she figured out that what was tightened by man could be loosened by cat. It was not unusual for me to come home and find either one or two paws through the e-collar. If she'd been a touch thinner, she might well have got all the way out of it herself.
Eventually, she was healthy again. The collar was removed, and she's been running around like a terror ever since. (Little sister cat stands up to her pretty well, though, so we can stop the metaphor right there, especially since little sister cat doesn't go outside and knock random neighbor cats senseless.)
i'm disappointed. Smith is an excellent athlete and could have helped us.