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Brian March 15th, 2021 at 11:52 AM

Michigan got a one seed and got put in a tournament. Let's look down the road. This post is entirely hypothetical and does not assume that Michigan wins anything. It is merely a glance through the potential matchups through the first two weekends. Begone with thy jinx assertions.

First Round

It's odd that Michigan got the winner of a play-in game since they ended up as the last one seed. Since the tourney is all in Indianapolis there's no travel reason to switch. And they seem to have gotten the easiest first round matchup, period. Mount St. Mary's and Texas Southern are the worst teams in the field, per Kenpom, checking in at #219 and #229.

The Mount—as their logo declares them to be—lost to Maryland by 18 earlier this year, largely because Maryland shot 73%(!) from two. They also lost to VCU, the other high-major-ish team they played, by 18. There it was a blizzard of turnovers and bad shooting leading them to 0.66 points per possession. They went 10-10 in NEC play. The most interesting thing about them is that they have a point guard listed at 5'8" who was the starter for his high school team as a 4'9" freshman.

Texas Southern is the SWAC representative and actually got in a fair number of games against top 100 teams. They lost to Oklahoma State by 20, St. Mary's by 12, Auburn by 17, and BYU by 16. They hung tough against Washington State, but the Cougars finished 107th in Kenpom. They have some height but not much actual size; their center rotation is mostly between a 6'9", 200 pound guy and a 6'8", 211 pound guy. Dickinson would eat those guys alive.

All due respect to the UMBCs of the world but nothing about either of these teams suggests a feisty matchup.

[After THE JUMP: more interesting teams]

Second Round

If Michigan is fortunate enough to survive the opening round they will get the winner of St. Bonaventure and LSU.

Eight seed LSU is coming off a one-point loss in the SEC championship game that has a lot of folks either bemoaning their placement—if they're Michigan fans—or looking at a somewhat adrift, Livers-less Michigan team and gesturing towards a trendy upset pick. I don't see it. The Tigers' other two games against Alabama were 30 and 18 point losses. Meanwhile LSU is incredibly dependent on their top three guys. Center Trendon Watford, PG Javonte Smart, and SG Cameron Thomas have all played more than 90% of LSU's minutes over their last five games. The Tigers have one more guy, PF Darius Days, who is a reasonable offensive player, and then you get into Andrew Dakich usage town.

Meanwhile, LSU's defense is #125 on Kenpom. That would be the worst in the Big Ten by almost fifty slots, and it looks like that might be kind. It is really uncommon to see this statistical combination:

  • Extremely bad two-point defense (LSU is 240th)
  • Buckets of threes allowed (330th)
  • Excellent three-point D (20th)

There's nothing in Will Wade's previous three years with the Tigers to indicate that three point D—which is notoriously fickle—is real. They've finished 252nd, 134th, and 193rd in 3P% D. They have given up tons of threes each year, so that's a thing about Will Wade teams. Seeing opponents hit 30% from deep is not.

The most dangerous thing about LSU is that Smart and Thomas are fairly opponent-invariant. Smart is shooting 42% from three with more than half his makes unassisted. Both guys are 6'4" and may be able to just shoot over Michigan guards. LSU's big three all hits about 40% in the midrange, with very little assisted, and there are scenarios where Michigan shoots like crap and someone goes Rocket Watts, etc. LSU's profile doesn't make that look likely. LSU is the worst team in the SEC at forcing midrange shots and gives up 64% at the rim.

John Beilein used to stuff roll-out-the-ball coaches like Will Wade in a trashcan. A dollar says Juwan Howard continues that tradition if given the opportunity.

Nine seed St. Bonaventure went 11-4 in A-10 play. The A10 is in a band of three conferences (the WCC and AAC are the others) with about the same Kenpom rating a significant step back from the high-major six, so that's a little something. They only played two nonconference games, a 7 point win on a neutral court over Akron and an 8 point win over #188 Hofstra. They picked up four Kenpom A-tier wins over the course of their A-10 schedule, going 2-1 against 10-seed VCU, 1-1 against St. Louis, and beating Richmond on the road.

The Bonnies do have a legit big in Osun Osunniyi, who's 6'10" and top 25 in block rate. Osunniyi isn't a stretch guy and mostly exists in the dunker spot; his offense is dependent on his teammates. He's not going to back down Dickinson to pick up fouls. He is enough of a defensive presence to spot St. Bonaventure in the top 20. Meanwhile drop coverage should be fine against PG Kyle Lofton, who's middling at shots off the dribble and not much of a threat from three.

Like LSU, St. Bonaventure gives up a ton of threes (321st) and hasn't suffered the consequences (32nd at 3P% D). Unlike LSU, they do D-up on the inside so some of that may be real as teams get forced into awkward threes because they can't find good shots at the rim. If you squint and tolerate a lot of scatter teams with a lot of shotblocking do seem to do a bit better defending behind the line.

St. Bonaventure does surrounded Osunnyi and Lofton with a couple of high volume ~40% three-point shooters but when the starting lineup is out there they have a wing, Jalen Adeway, who is three-averse and can probably be tagged off of as Michigan seeks to defeat what's likely to be a bunch of pick and roll.

One thing the Bonnies are not is deep. They only play seven guys and the starters all average 82% or more of their minutes.

Sweet Sixteen

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This will be the winner of the Colorado/Georgetown/FSU/Greensboro pod. I am not expecting Colorado here because of altitude effects. As Ace mentioned on the podcast, altitude Colorado is a whole different thing than regular Colorado:

  • The Buffs are 11-1 at home and the #6 team in the country.
  • They're 11-7 away/neutral and 33rd.

I don't think Georgetown is going to be the team to pick them off but unless FSU eats a major upset in round one I also don't expect them to provide much resistance. I do have great affection for C Evan Battey, who is one of those Oliver Miller Round Centers. Battey kind of looks like a basketball version of Reginald VelJohnson and was brave enough to play half his games in college at elevation.

The important thing about Georgetown is that they have the best names in the country. The starting lineup currently contains Qudus Wahab, Jamorko Pickett, and Chudier Bile. They are also 13-12 and made the tournament after a miraculous run through the Big East tournament.

Nothing about UNC Greensboro looks like a particularly dangerous 13 seed. They're the worst-ranked 13 at #100. They played one top-100 opponent, losing by 8 to #91 Winthrop. They're massively dependent on a six-foot point guard who sucks up 35% of their usage and doesn't shoot threes. Isaiah Miller is going to be driving into the Seminole forest and trying to maintain his 63% at the rim. They're 312th behind the line. Ain't happening.

So: Florida State. The general outlines of the Seminoles will be familiar to anyone who remembers the Elite Eight matchup in 2018. They are gigantic, #1 in effective height. Their skill level does not match their height. They try to block everything, which leads to excellent 2P% D numbers and bad defensive rebounding and FT rate allowed. This year their size is most notable at point guard, where freshman Scottie Barnes starts. Barnes is a 6'9" unicorn currently ticketed for the top ten in the NBA draft. Sam Vecenie:

… “do it all but scoring” wing/forward/point … terrific passer who sees the floor exceedingly well, making high-level reads. Defensively, he’s terrific as a help defender, although he hasn’t been quite as quick-twitch on the ball as expected. Ultimately though, he’s going to have to figure out a way to score, as his touch doesn’t seem to be all that good around the basket or from distance.

Barnes being a switchable NBA defender means they can switch 1-4 comfortably—their shortest starter, MJ Walker, is 6'5"—and blow up a lot of actions.

FSU has multiple dangerous shooters. Walker and 6'6" wing Anthony Polite are both knocking down threes at a 44% clip and they bring four different guys who are at 38%+ off the bench. C Balsa Koprivica is a miserably bad post-up player (5th percentile) with no shooting ability who gets his offense on putbacks and assisted dunks, so that's another relatively comfortable Dickinson matchup. Incredibly, Koprivica has faced a total of just 11 post-ups this year, so his D on them is an open question. He's given up just two buckets, FWIW.

Michigan's main concerns here are having their guards overwhelmed by FSU's size and athleticism, especially if Koprivica is up to the task of defending Dickinson one-on-one in the post.

Elite Eight

This is eight teams so we'll focus on a few that are the most likely and/or interesting. Alabama is the #2 in the region and has already drawn notice on this blog for Nate Oats's maniacal devotion to avoiding midrange shots. The Crimson Tide takes fewer shots in the midrange than any other team in the country—just one of eight attempts gets filed there. Here's this image again, newly relevant for both sides of the court:

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This is the kind of thing you'd see from Houston's G-League affiliate. Your author has seen a couple of Alabama games and they're weird because it doesn't feel like the Tide are playing particularly well and then they're up 15.

Alabama is super fast (#1 nationally in % of shots in the first ten seconds of the clock) and heavily dependent on threes (47% of their shots) despite not being great at them. They're at 35%, which is just outside the top 100 nationally. Oats believes that 35 * 1.5 = 53% and that's frequently enough to win when the rest of your shots are at the rim. A 16-2 SEC campaign and a conference tourney title indicate that's been a good bet.

But it's not the offense that has gotten them here. Alabama currently owns the #2 defense in the country. Usually fast teams aren't great on D; Oats has broken that mold. Their pace helps out there as it's tough for opponents to send a lot of guys to the offensive boards, and also a desire to slow the game down limits opposition transition opportunities. They've also scouted the transfer market really well:

"They help with the recruiting and especially in the transfer market, because they can pull up like (Jordan) Bruner for instance," Oats said. "They send us offense leverage, defense leverage — basically, are we better when you're in the game versus when you're out? Well, last year we were 12 points better per 100 possessions on the defensive side when Herb Jones was in the game, which makes sense, he was our best defender. Everybody knew it. But Yale was 18 points better per 100 possessions when Bruner was in the game versus when he was out. So as good as Herb was for us, Bruner was 150% better for Yale."

50% better, but we'll give Mr. Analytics a pass. Alabama will be a bear.

Three-seed Texas has been invigorated by new coach John Turturro. They still play a lot like a Shaka Smart team, what with giant athletic persons in the frontcourt and a near-Amaker level of turnovers. Texas has two high level centers in Jericho Sims and Kai Jones; the latter brings just enough shooting for Texas to play the two next to each other for about half of Jones's time.

They obliterated Indiana 66-44, winning by 22 despite scoring under a point per possession because their centers were able to neutralize Trayce Jackson-Davis (17 points on 16 shooting possessions but 0 assists and 5 TO) and Indiana curls into a ball and dies if you do that. This would not be a game where Dickinson is getting doubled.

Texas shoots a bunch of threes and—unlike a lot of teams in this region—prevents the opposition from getting them up. They've got relatively big guards and even though Kenpom hates them relative to their seeding (#26 instead of 9-12) this feels like it might be a bad matchup.

The most interesting team outside of the protected seeds is Connecticut. They would have been a brutal draw in an 8/9 game since they're ranked 17th on Kenpom and 11th on Torvik despite not having star guard James Bouknight for eight of their 22 games. In the eight games since his return UConn ranks 4th on Torvik. They're a brutal draw as a 7.

But, like the 2013 tournament, having a brutal draw on the other half of the bracket is often a friendly draw for you. UConn is more likely to knock off Alabama in the second round than any other seven, it's true. They're a bad draw in round two. They're a good draw in a hypothetical elite eight game.

Comments

True Blue 9

March 15th, 2021 at 12:13 PM ^

Great write-up! One other item with Florida State that I think is really critical: They only played away from Tallahassee 9 times. They lost 5 of those 9 games. 

They also lost a home to a UCF team that we beat by 22. Their height is scary but I like our odds against them. UConn is the scariest team outside of Michigan, in our quarter of the bracket IMHO. 

Go Blue!

lhglrkwg

March 15th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^

Yeah I still have flash backs to 2018 and how we were reeeally close to blowing that game if not for Leonard Hamilton inexplicably waving the white flag. I just felt like the rolled 10 deep with guys over 6'8

This squad doesn't seem as intimidating on paper. Yes, they're huge and I'm sure they're good, but they're also 16-6 in a down ACC so I don't think this is the same team we saw 3 years ago

El Jeffe

March 15th, 2021 at 2:54 PM ^

how we were reeeally close to blowing that game if not for Leonard Hamilton inexplicably waving the white flag.

That's a bit of an exaggeration--Michigan was up 4 with 13 seconds left and Duncan got the rebound and would likely have been fouled, and we were in the double bonus.

I agree that it was super weird that Hamilton chose not to foul but FSU's chances of winning were very low at that point.

bronxblue

March 15th, 2021 at 2:08 PM ^

Yeah, UConn scares me more than teams like Alabama and FSU.  Obviously anyone can beat anyone and top-15 are good for a reason but I think we've been a bit insulated in the Big 10 to assume that everyone else's top-15 team must be as good as the ones we've seen all year when that's just not the case.  I'd be more worried about FSU than Alabama anyway because of their size and athleticism, but they're not some juggernaut (they beat IU by 2 in OT, lost to teams like ND and GT twice late, etc.).

UMQuadz05

March 15th, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^

Psst...if you are looking for against the grain upset picks, the A10 was very strong this year and I wouldn't be surprised if LSU lost to the Bonnies. 

Son of Lloyd Brady

March 15th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^

Okay this is creepy. For some random reason this AM I decided to look up the name of the cop in the Die Hard movies and found out his name was Reginald VelJohnson. I haven't heard his name in years. Now Brian includes his name in this write-up. Apparently we have some weird telepathy going on today.

outsidethebox

March 15th, 2021 at 12:35 PM ^

Strange things happen in this tournament. The strange thing that would, most likely, be Michigan's undoing in this bracket is complacency-difficult to imagine it happening to this team. If Michigan gets its feet back under themselves, this bracket sets up very well-in their favor. That said, Livers is a huge loss. 

GoBlueSMB

March 15th, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^

True, that is always going to be a worry for us or any other team in the field.  However, if we play smart, we have the perfect counter for that...a 7'1 phenom at Center.

A big part of the reason we lost to OSU, besides just terrible outside shooting, is that we went way too many possessions without Hunter ever touching the ball.  He had 14 shots in the game and frankly he should have had 20+ including the last play.

My hope is that Juwan is understanding the match-ups and is drilling into the team, we have 1 of the 2 best Center's in all of college ball (Got to give Cockburn his due).  Give him the ball and force the other team to stop it.   I would also be hammering into Hunter "Channel your inner Austin Davis" meaning every time you get the ball on the block, punish your man and look to score.

My other hope is that if/when these games get out of hand and we are winning, give some run to Zeb.   We are going to need him at some point in the tournament with the size of some of the guards we will be playing against in the later rounds.  This is one of my main issues with the team management this year (and really, there wasn't much to complain about, this was an amazing year no matter how it ends) but in a lot of the blow outs we had, Zeb didn't get enough run.

Mark it, Zeb and Williams will be X factors in the tournament.

cazzie

March 15th, 2021 at 4:04 PM ^

Livers will likely be back before this is over. I say this not because I know it to be true. Rather, I’ve practiced sports medicine for 3-4 decades. Return to play with most foot stress fractures is pain determinant. After 2-3 weeks of rest his pain will likely resolve. 
But what do I know?

(MD ‘75)

RAH

March 15th, 2021 at 10:13 PM ^

It's really unfortunate that the injury wasn't recognized immediately. I believe they said it was in the Illinois game but possibly earlier. If he had rested it immediately he would almost certainly be ready to go by the tournament. He wasn't effective after the injury anyway and it would have not have changed any of the game results. 

jmblue

March 15th, 2021 at 12:36 PM ^

It's odd that Michigan got the winner of a play-in game since they ended up as the last one seed.

It's arguably a small disadvantage to not know which team we'll be playing until Thursday night.  Two of the other three 1 seeds know who they're playing.  Also, our opponent will have one tourney game under its belt, which maybe is a benefit to them.    

Kilgore Trout

March 15th, 2021 at 12:59 PM ^

The explanation is that this year they are playing the entire right side of the bracket Friday - Sunday and the entire left side of the bracket Saturday - Monday. Since the first four is Thursday night, play in winners needed to be in a Saturday bracket. Then, since Michigan is the 4th one seed to pair with Gonzaga in the hypothetical Final Four, the two play in 16 seed games line up with Michigan and Gonzaga. Whoever got the 4th one seed was getting one of the play in winners. 

One other thing is that Brian's comment that we get the worst two 16s is not correct. The bottom 4 seeds on the whole list are...

#65 - Mount St. Mary's
#66 - Texas Southern
#67 - Norfolk State
#68 - App State

67 and 68 are also in a first four game with the winner playing Gonzaga. It lines up perfectly with  the S curve.

Credit812

March 15th, 2021 at 1:04 PM ^

I wonder if that has something to do with BYU.  BYU can't play on Sundays.  If they want to have the entire region play on the same day, it had to be Saturday-Monday because of BYU.  The play in games are on Thursday, so they also don't want to make those teams play again on Friday.  Now they could have moved BYU (and the play-in teams) to a different region, but maybe they wanted to keep BYU as the top six seed.

Brian Griese

March 15th, 2021 at 12:47 PM ^

"John Beilein used to stuff roll-out-the-ball coaches like Will Wade in a trashcan. A dollar says Juwan Howard continues that tradition if given the opportunity."

 

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I thought the exact same thing when I saw LSU announced as a possible 2nd round matchup. Beilein would have destroyed them and I have no doubt Michigan can beat them too with or without Livers.  

Brian Griese

March 15th, 2021 at 1:17 PM ^

Yeah, VCU in 2013 comes to mind.  Usually "roll out the ball" means they feast on tempo and turnovers and that's something Beilein was stingy about and that has carried on to Howard (so far).  When you remove those two avenues for points those types of teams often struggle because they are not used to being challenged on both ends of the court.  

BlueLikeJazz

March 15th, 2021 at 1:38 PM ^

VCU was decidedly NOT a "roll out the ball" team. This term refers to a coach who gets super athletic dudes and lets them do playground basketball with very little coaching or intervention. Kentucky under Calipari is the Platonic ideal of this. 

VCU was very heavily coached and disciplined, in order to make up for their relative lack of athleticism and skill. Beilein stuck them in a can too but for totally different reasons.

bronxblue

March 15th, 2021 at 2:12 PM ^

To Calipari's credit I think he's a good defensive coach.  His good UK teams tended to play well defensively and that's as much of a coaching element as offense.  To me the perfect example of a "roll out the ball" coach is Tom Crean or Mark Turgeon - just recruiter types who hope to out-talent you.  

stephenrjking

March 15th, 2021 at 1:40 PM ^

To give you an idea of how long ago that was, Michigan was still trying to decide if Jaaron Simmons, Eli Brooks, or Xavier Simpson would be the heir to Derrick Walton. Simpson played 10 minutes (least of any of the three), scored zero points, netted two assists against two turnovers, and tallied four fouls.

My recollection is that after that game a lot of chatter on this board thought Eli was the starting PG going forward.

Things have changed since then. 

lhglrkwg

March 15th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^

I like our bracket. I'd really like it if Livers could play

It feels like avoid some of the dangerous underseeded teams (Okie State, Loyola, maybe Kansas, UConn on the opposite half of our region) and everyone else feels reasonably beatable. There doesn't seem to be any goliath in our region, just a lot of very good teams and Michigan has beaten a pile of teams of similar caliber this year. We'll just have to see how this goes without Isaiah

I'd be pissed if I was Illinois (and knowing Illinois, I'm quite sure they are). They got underseeded Loyola and GT in the 2nd round, then probably an underseeded Okie State in the Sweet 16. I always hate seeing top guards in the tourney because those guys can carry teams on their own

mwolverine1

March 15th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^

Georgetown is actually #23 on Torvik since 2/1. They were #103 before that. Looking at their numbers, I think the biggest difference is that they learned about the free throw line. They were #332 before 2/1 and have been #54 since in free throw rate. I think they will provide a strong challenge for Colorado. This seems like a case of a team changing its approach, and not just getting hot (though there was an uptick in 3PT% in that same split).

funkywolve

March 15th, 2021 at 7:50 PM ^

CU's home and away record is about the same as the other 5 seeds.  Creighton is 11-3 at home and 9-5 not at home.  Nova is 11-1 at home and 5-5 not at home.  Tennessee is 13-3 at home and 5-5 not at home.

Once you get into conference play, it's not easy winning on the road.  Winning on the road is what separates the good teams from the really good teams.  

Gustavo Fring

March 15th, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^

Barnes vs Franz would be a big-time matchup.  Both have recently been in a similar range in mock drafts (8-14) with Barnes being a bit higher.  But easy to see some similarities between the two as terrific, versatile two-way wings with length.  Franz is a much better shooter, while Barnes is probably more dynamic off the dribble.  

Brian's (excellent) post didn't mention this but Barnes is also very close with Juwan Howard.  He was teammates in high school with Jett Howard and Juwan was a mentor to him.  Adds even more intrigue.

Ultimately they scare me more than anyone else in the region.  A behemoth center (I wonder if those 11 post-ups defended are because other teams simply don't want to test the ent?), athletic massive wings all over the place who can double and trap and switch and cause problems for our guards.  

Having grown up in Connecticut and with a lot of friends who went to UConn, I'm very interested to see how Boukinght does in his first March action.  If we do get them, I like our chances if we put Chaundee on him for 35 minutes.

Less scared of Texas (Kai is nice, but I think Franz can handle him and I think Hunter will eat).  Alabama I don't know enough about, except that Oats is a hell of a coach and they play like the D'Antoni Suns.  I followed them more closely when they had Kira Lewis, Jr. last year.  A team that plays fast and generally wins the shot quality battle is less than ideal, especially if they have the kind of athletic wings that can either double Dickinson and recover and/or limit penetration.  

Should be fun!  I'm trying to keep my expectations tempered with Livers out.  

aiglick

March 15th, 2021 at 2:53 PM ^

I’m not giving up hope. I think anything can happen. There’s still a lot of talent on this team and we did almost beat OSU without Livers when they shot the three better than 50% on volume. We could have an early exit but also maybe can make a run. I still wouldn’t want to face this team in the Tourney despite it having a much smaller margin for error now. Would be nice for some of the x-factors to play Mitch McGary and/or Spike Albrecht but something tells me this isn’t the last time we’ll be in a pretty good position in the Tourney.

Gulogulo37

March 16th, 2021 at 2:03 AM ^

The timing is brutal as well. Not just for Livers but it would have been nice if the team got some more run with Chaundee and Johns playing more. Figuring out the best lineups and match up and minutes distribution. Of course it's not a blank slate with those guys, but it's still a bit of figuring out now. Hopefully they don't get tripped up the first weekend and can get more used to things without Livers. Would be nice if Livers can come back, but even if he does I'm not optimistic about him playing. No way in hell he'll be near 100 percent. I wonder if he could be used off the bench for limited minutes.