How this loss can be turned into a POSITIVE

Submitted by DrWolverine23 on

First of all despite everything, Rich Rod deserves a fourth year. Because otherwise the suffering will have been for naught. The fourth year should bring the most progress, with a NEW DC, who coaches his own defensive scheme not this 3-3-5 bullshit.  Also the defensive side needs to be purged. 

There's my rant......now on how this can be a POSITIVE. In TomVH's post Crawford said he would still come here with the allure of early playing time.....if we can get some more defensive recruits based on this allure then it wasn't a total loss. The recruits can see how horrible our defense is. 

WIth another year of these young defensive players growing up, with JT Floyd,and Troy Woolfork back, with a new chest bumping DC, combined with another year of Barwis .....the defense next year could be this years Denard.....showing IMMENSE improvement.  And of course only if Rich Rod stays, or our program  could take several steps back with even more rebuilding in store ....ughhh

That is all I can hope....Now only post if you have something POSITIVE to add

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AMazinBlue

January 1st, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^

There are no positives to draw from this game except no one was seriously injured.  This game was an exclamation point on the fact that this offense cannot succeed against a decent defense and that RR's meddling into the defense has cost this team and this program victories.

RR does not deserve a fourth year.  Period.  His job is to win football games and graduate players.  The first part is not happeneing unless we play the MAC and the worst teams in the B1G.  Thes econd part is still under consrtuction, but in the end the winning it what he is hired to do and he has failed to that.

Unfortunately for RR the looking back down the road of the last three years is strewn with the wreckage of the Michigan football program.   The inability to compete against MSU, OSU, Wisconsin and even middle teir SEC teams, plus the worst defenses in the history of the program and an offense that still has yet to prove it can succeed against good defenses is proof that the experiment failed.

The 3-3-5 is a failure and there is no denying it.  RR's insistence on runnning and forcing it on every DC he hires, brings his decision-making into question as well.  Rich is a nice guy and a great offensive mind, but in big boy football(not the BigEast) he may in over his head at this stage.

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The Barwis Effect

January 1st, 2011 at 8:25 PM ^

Hardly.  This offense has yet to prove it will work consistently against top comptetition in this conference, especially when the game is not already out of reach.  I think it's idiotic to not recognize the offense is also part of the problem -- just not as big of one as the lack of defense and/or special teams.

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Fuzzy Dunlop

January 1st, 2011 at 7:45 PM ^

If this wasn't the dumbest post of all time, the reference to Troy "Woolfork" pushed it over the edge.

If there is one positive from today's loss, it is this -- assuming Rodriguez was going to be fired regardless of what happened today, I feel a lot less shitty with it going down like this rather than him being fired after the team pulled out a great victory.

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UMxWolverines

January 1st, 2011 at 7:45 PM ^

Unless we can get one of the BEST DC's out there, and Dee Hart sticks with us, there's no reason we should keep him. I mean seriously, we have no running back and we haven't had one ALL SEASON. 

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Indiana Blue

January 1st, 2011 at 7:48 PM ^

that I will be in my seat on September 3, 2011 ready to start another year of Michigan football ! 

No one (save maybe DB) knows who will be coaching ... you cannot be positive of anything else be it coaches or scheme or whatever.  I've been loyal to the Maize and Blue since 1962 ... but I have never been through a year like this.  2008 & 2009 were somewhat expected (though we all wanted more) ... but I feel worse today than I ever have before ....

Go Blue !

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foreverbluemaize

January 1st, 2011 at 8:11 PM ^

My guess here is that if RR is gone in the next few days and we bring in JH, next year we will be 7-5 or 8-4 and that will be the building block that he starts from instead of his best achievement in 3 years.

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JeffB

January 1st, 2011 at 8:21 PM ^

I don't know how you can say this.  How do you know that if JH is here that there will be 7 or 8 wins?  Who's to say that 20% of the team doesn't transfer, since RichRod brought them here, and there'll be another bunch of freshmen starting and doing all of those things that freshmen do that we've been frustrated about all year?  Plus, what about the recruits that end up going elsewhere?

Also, who's to say that even if RichRod is fired, that JH will come here?  What happens then?  We end up with Brady Hoke and turn into Notre Dame?

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JeffB

January 1st, 2011 at 11:47 PM ^

I'd like to think you're right, but I'm not sure.  I also would've thought that Les Miles had been contacted and was all set to take the job when it became public, and we all saw how that played out.

 

I'm also not sure what the rules (if any) are about contacting a coach or his people when he's under contract at another school.  With the Miami job, didn't they try to talk to Bo Pelini, and Nebraska denied permission?  Yes, DB could have talked to JH's agent or his brother, or someone else, but who's to say that it was "Yes, I'll come no matter what?"  I would actually think that any contact wouldn't have been in the last week.  Additionally, the SF 49ers have come out publicly saying that JH is their number one choice - we do not know how that changes things, including JH's mind.

 

Also, by saying a coach is already lined up means that DB has not only been stringing the fanbase along (end of year, end of season, etc), he's been stringing his coach along, and if that's the case I've lost a lot of respect for him - in my mind that's one of the worst things a boss can do to an employee.  That also means that all other UM coaches need to keep that in mind that when they deal with DB.

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mGrowOld

January 1st, 2011 at 8:17 PM ^

I have officially left the pro-RR camp as of today.  He had 30 days to get his team ready and we got treated to.....to.......whateverthefuck that was today. 

I'm hoping for the JH announcement now.  How's that for a positive?

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Tater

January 1st, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^

Why on earth would you let today's game sway you that way?  They can prepare all they want, but they obviously didn't have the athletes or experience on defense to stop MSU.  Have you noticed how badly the Big Ten is doing aganst teams that run anything remotely resembling a spread? 

Michigan needs to retain spread principles if they want to turn the Big Ten into a modern conference that wins National Championships and BCS bowls on a regular basis.  Why not keep the guy who invented the spread option?

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jmblue

January 1st, 2011 at 11:29 PM ^

Have you noticed how badly the Big Ten is doing aganst teams that run anything remotely resembling a spread? 

It can be easy to miss this point when our team, featuring a spread offense, loses 75% of the games it plays against the Big Ten.

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AMazinBlue

January 1st, 2011 at 8:22 PM ^

then Bill Martin failed as AD.  This program was not in need of a complete overhaul.   No one in this fanbase or alumni or the program itself would have selected this change if 3-9 and 5-7 are the first two seasons.  With the current defense, there is no guarantee that Michigan would win more than 7-8 games next season.   Everybody said just wait until year two, that's when the big jump happens.  Then they said wait until year three, now you are saying wait until year four.  This isn't the Detroit fucking Lions under Matt Millen.

There is no evidence that thie schemes that this staff have have implemented will be successful here.   We can't stop ANYBODY, including a horrible Indiana team or UMASS.  We can't score against any tem in the B1G with a winning record or even a middle-teir SEC team.

I ask you again, what criteria, what evidence, what proof do you have that shows that this coach should be allowed to stay another year?  NONE.  Because there isn't any.  He had a chance to show improvem,ent with amonth of practice to show something different, a new wrinkle on offense or the ability to make just one damn tackle.  Nothing!

It's time for a change.  And yes, I may get what I'm asking for, but I'll take my chances with Harbaugh.

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mfan_in_ohio

January 1st, 2011 at 8:29 PM ^

and assumed it might have recipes for tasty and highly intoxicating beverages.  Because tonight is a night for heavy drinking, and tastier drinks would be a POSITIVE.

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bacon

January 1st, 2011 at 8:38 PM ^

Next year will definitely be better, with RR or with someone else.  The thing is that I just can't see RR keeping his job after today.  This morning I thought he should be retained, now I'm pretty sure he should be let go. It is what it is. I think that it's probably best for both the school and the coach to part and start fresh.  

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M2GoBlue

January 1st, 2011 at 8:45 PM ^

The one positive that came from this game is that now there is no doubt this program will be going in a different direction in about a week. Thank goodness. Rich Rod you were a class act, but take no responsibility for any of the losses that have occured in 3 years. Good luck elsewhere

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MaizeHornet

January 1st, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^

If you were at the game, like I was, there's nothing to be positive about. The only positive from my whole trip was the Marching Band, that I got my picture with Lloyd Brady yesterday. He's everywhere!

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