SIAP: Freep Article (Sorry) on MSU "Culture of Silence"
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/28/michigan-sta…
Sure seems that this goes way beyond Nasser, or even just athletes. A student waiting 117 days for a ruling on her accusation of sexual assault against an instructor? Students unable to even get appointments with rape crisis counselors, or getting turned away from a rape hotline? This is jiust really ugly stuff. Wrap together Nasser, the Izzo (Walton, Paine + Appling), Dantonio (4 rapes last year alone, plus the other stories coming out), and what appears to be a similar attitude about sexual violence across the entire campus, and this is just really bad.
January 28th, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 11:52 AM ^
There is nothing "fun" about this. I take no pleasure in this. I was equally disgusted in PSU, Baylor, etc. I don't want to use this to make fun of our sports rival. This is a tragedy not just for MSU fans and alum, this is a tragedy for our state. Let me be entirely cold-hearted here and say this: Big, big cash pay-outs are coming to victims, possibly in the +$100 million range. That's coming from us, the taxpayers of this state. If for no other human reasons, we should be paying close attention to this story for that reason alone...
January 28th, 2018 at 3:21 PM ^
And no. I take zero pleasure at this happening at a rival. I wish it had never happened. And taking pleasure in MSU’s razing seems to take, again, precedence away from the victims.
We need to look at our own house to make sure this never, ever happens here. And MSU needs to be investigated minutely to clean out the rot
January 28th, 2018 at 3:44 PM ^
Absolutely. I know for a fact UM is not squeaky clean. Maybe something good can come out of this, in the form of UM and a whole bunch of other institutions taking a good, hard look at how these situations are treated internally. After Baylor, PSU, this, and 100 other situations similar or much smaller, this should never happen again anywhere.
January 29th, 2018 at 11:45 AM ^
re -read my original post. Meant to say 'Women's lives were shattered' Not 'Womens beds' or whatever.
But this:
"Absolutely. I know for a fact UM is not squeaky clean."
Scares the shit out of me as an alum. I want to get on top of this NOW. Find the predators. Protect the victims. If we take a black eye, who cares, but lets get it done.
Now, all that said, we need to get this done logically and transparently. No cover ups. No blocking investigations. But I also think we need clarity.
Another trend on campus that has me worried is the he said/she said situations. Those are tricky. By that I mean Boy A meets Girl B at a party. Both are hammered. They have sex that seems consensual at the time (girl takes off boys clothes, her own, etc.). Three days later I don't think it's fair if she says she was assaulted due to lack of ability to give consent due to the alcohol; as the same could go for him. So what do we do with those? Clarity. Transparency. Make sure the girl has access to victims groups and doesn't get shunted to the side. Make sure the boy has access and a fair ability to defend himself. Make sure the proceedings (minus the names) are completely public record, so the world can see that we aren't shunting things off to the side.
I realize this could end me up in Bolivia. But I want a world where we are clear, transparent, and as fair as possible to everyone. Let's judge all cases as best we can, and report them openly (don't have to use the names), and live with a goal of protecting the victims. If we do that, for the world to see, I think that will keep us out of the worst of the trouble.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
"Fun" is not the way I would describe this.
I certainly think some at MSU need to lose their jobs and possibly face criminal charges, but I don't take pleasure in that, knowing how people have suffered from their (in)actions.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:57 AM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^
Oh good, you've won karma points for the day.
January 28th, 2018 at 2:25 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^
what is RCMB
January 28th, 2018 at 3:17 PM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^
i won’t deny the fact that i’ll be happy when izzo and dantonio are fired/resign in disgrace because they’ve pretended to be hard line disciplinarians when the reality is exactly the opposite, but this isn’t fun by any stretch of the imagination
January 28th, 2018 at 12:36 PM ^
is still can't forget that famous dantonio quote
January 28th, 2018 at 11:59 AM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 12:02 PM ^
Should have said compelling*. Sheesh, I guess I lack empathy. So many morally upstanding people on the boards these days.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^
Just my two cents for you.
January 28th, 2018 at 1:24 PM ^
If he continues to stick his foot in his mouth over this, it will get ugly.
January 28th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^
so I think you are right.
January 28th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
Not me. I take my L's in stride
January 28th, 2018 at 2:17 PM ^
You were the only one to neg the next board topic. You did that just about the same time this thread got neg bombed. Anything posted a few minutes after that wasn't negged.
I suppose it's all a coincidence, but I don't believe it. And saying you take your Ls in stride is a joke. You've been insulting and arguing with people that negged you for something that even you must know was bad.
January 28th, 2018 at 2:28 PM ^
I want more L's
January 28th, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 12:11 PM ^
This is becoming glaringly obvious
January 28th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^
I for one, don't want MSU's reputation to be ruined because of this. MSU has been gaining a lot more respect academically over the past decade, and I want there to be as many quality universities/colleges available to Michigan citizens (at a more affordable price) as possible.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
When people are saying that we're happy about this it is completely false. It's money out of our pocket, as well as money out of future MSU students' pockets.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:22 PM ^
Well we're all paying for our president's golf outings anyway
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January 28th, 2018 at 12:22 PM ^
The other thing is that people often get the two schools mixed up, and so we may have to explain going forward that no, it was not our school that had this scandal.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:33 PM ^
January 28th, 2018 at 11:42 AM ^
MSU athletics is a dumpster fire right now, and soon the entire world will be saying it. This story has legs.
January 28th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 12:00 PM ^
know is yes. The cover up makes things worse, not better. We are also seeing this on a national level.
One would hope that basic human decency would be enough to stop this, but as history shows that isn't the case.
In a conflict between morals and interest it often leads to the sacrifice of the former for the latter.
January 28th, 2018 at 12:15 PM ^
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January 28th, 2018 at 2:29 PM ^
Interesting analogy, but it'd take a pretty hight bar to get to Nixon in my book. Keep in mind that, among other things, in addition to all of the shady Watergate stuff we rightfully associate Nixon with, Nixon went behind the US government's back and (successfully) stalled peace talks in the Vietnam War in '68 so he could be elected President (aka, he probably actually committed treason).
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