Does Michigan have a disproportionate number of "miracle plays" against them?
Last night totally got me thinking, our beloved Maize and Blue seems to be the team on the losing end of the "miracle play" far more than any other (Edit) HIGH PROFILE UNIVERSITY I can think of. For Example, Colorado's Hail Mary, Appalachian State, Michigan State Punt Debacle, Northwestern last night, etc.
So any other Schools you can think of that rival us? LOL. I can think of schools with a singular massive play against them, such as Auburn running the missed FG back on Bama, but not a school with multiple such plays in the last 20 years or so. I just choose to see it that we are GREAT at lots of things. Ha!
I was saying the same thing last night, (I would add OSU's buzzer beater in the BT Tourney and the two Wisconsin miracle shots against us), but probably not. We remember ours and suffer as a result.
I don't know if I would say they seem to always come back In our favor but we have had our share of miracle wins as well. Notre Dame constantly got Denarded. Trey Burke against Kansas, the Manningham game, the Braylon game., etc.
hard to not be biased in this type of "feelings-based" analysis. of course we all remember the michigan losses, but quickly forget the devastating losses by other teams.
to really answer this, you'd have to catalog every "miracle" play (and define what that means) and then crunch the numbers over say a decade or two.
given that there's no reason to expect "miracle" plays more or less against any one team or the other, suspicion here is that the data shows that there is not much difference across teams, except of course for the normal expected variance.
I disagree...I think it is objective fact that God simply hated us for a good 10 year window.
If Tyler Ecker simply tosses the ball backwards to Steve Breaston rather than running out of bounds against Nebraska, Michigan would have the GREATEST miracle play of all time.
i'm still so mad about that
Indiana 1979 - Carter goes 50 yards for TD on final play.
OSU 1988 - Michigan goes 100 yards for a TD between the kickoff return and a big pass. All Kolesar I think.
UCLA 1989 - We score with not much time left, kick onside, recover it and score again to win.
MSU 2004 - Braylonfest comeback
PSU 2005 - Manningham TD with 1 second to go.
ND 2011 - Gallon wheel route and Roundtree pass
Northwestern 2013 - crazy sliding FG as time expires and then win in OT
I am sure there are many more, these are just off the top of my head.
95 Virginia Driesbach/ Mercury Hayes
02' Washington Phillip Brabbs winning FG (was not expecting him to make that)
Last year in the first game of the BTT Zak Irvin hit a game winning 18 footer against N'Western the day before Kam hit his game winner against Indiana.
Are we counting all buzzer-beaters as "miracles"? The Evan Turner/Ben Brust shots were considerably lower-percentage than say, that Irvin shot.
A half court Turner shot is a higher percentage than an Irvin three.
As OP stated, we tend to dwell on those that go against us and exhale and appreciate it when we pull one out that opposing team/fans feel like we do vs. CO, Appy etc. We don't hold onto it like we do those last second heart-breakers. Speaking of which:
I thought I had thought about almost all of them and then someone adds another white knuckle finish, either for us or against us vs. ND. These two teams have to have more, I would think than any other two teams that have played over a good amount of time. Another that comes to mind - and I only had Ufer to help me - three televised games pr year, plus bowl game.
Can't recall the year, but ND lined up for an "all but impossible FG attempt." Imagine Ufer is guiding you through this. Believe it was just over 50 but the wind was blowing so hard into Harry Oliver's face. Ufe said, "No Way." Then "OMG" "OMG" "OMG" "I cannot believe this. The wind has miraculously stopped blowing. It's impossible to explain. There's been a stiff wind the entire quarter, then miraculously, it stops for the attempt. The kick is on the way. It is GOOD."
Hell, thinking about it, I'm kind of glad it wasn't televised.
everyone loses close games. It seems like Michigan loses more close games because we follow ALL THE MICHIGAN GAMES and very few of anyone elses games.
Texas could lose 4 straight games by buzzer beaters and I wouldn't know unless posted here because I don't watch SportsCenter and don't search through for all the BBall scores.
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Oh, please don't misinterpret my post. I am not bringing emotion into the equation. I am simply asking do you think the number of such plays happens more to Michigan than other high profile universities. I will always believe "Who has is better than us!? Nobody!!!".
Although not "miracles" per se, I would add Scorekeeper Bob and the Desmond Trip to any list of historical dong punches.
Correct, if we were speaking theologically (not gonna go there LOL) we would be calling these "wonders" not miracles.
Yes. I think someone a lot smarter than me could actually research and prove this to be true. But I think to get the most accurate picture one would have to add to the buzzer beaters and hail marys things like the Webber time out, the Desmond trip and other game changing or game deciding weirdness or horrible officiating. I'm thinking of writing a book - "Kicks to the Balls: My Michigan Memories."
Ha! I like it! I would purchase said book and then promply burn it.
And thank you so much for bringing up such a painful subject. While you're at it, why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it.
You could restrict this topic to basketball finishes under Beilein. The Evan Turner shot, the Wisconsin half court shot, the death to backboards shot, the Kentucky 3 point shot in the Elite Eight. I like any opponent's chance against Michigan with a second left on the clock. So when last night happened, it really wasn't all that surprising.
What made this one slightly different was for once, it was less fluke like and just came down to an incredibly perfect pass to set up the shot. But the end result is still the same and it sucks.
I'm wondering if that little high school arena at Northwestern is becoming a new house of horrors for us. The last time we played there two years ago was the double overtime travesty where there were 5 separate times I thought we had the game won until NU drained a miracle 3 to keep the game going. They did it again and again and again. Two of them were well defended prayers thrown up that magically went in. That game sucked too.
Henne to Manningham to beat Penn State in 2005.
Trey Burke on Kansas in the tournament.
Last year against Indiana in the B1G Tourney.
Fire Drill Field Goal
You want predictable?! Go watch the NBA. 82 games so half of the league can make the playoffs and then every round except the first is best of 7. Although the better team doesn't always win (and neither does the house in Vegas, but...), when was the last time an NBA team that was in the bottom half of the playoff qualifiers won the Championship, or made the Finals? I can think of a Houston team with a less than stellar regular season record in the middle of the Olaijuwon dynasty; that's it.
Appreciate what you have! There is a reason most of us prefer watching the NCAA tournament to the NBA Playoffs.
No, every major team feels this way, Michigan has had a lot miracle finishes go their way too. Burke's shot against Kansas, GR3 against purdue I think off an inbounds, Northwestern fg as time expired, nw hailmary to keep the game alive that a northwestern db had go through his hands, nd first night game, minnesota choosing to only run one play from the goalline last year, etc. have all happened in the last few years right off the top of my head and if I actually sat down to think about it I'm sure there are more.
like Patriots fans with 2 super bowl losses, Alabama with the Auburn fg return...then this years nation al Championship...they can probably rattle off 10 in the last 20 or so years.
But remember 05 Penn State, Notre Dame with Tate, UTL 1 and 2..But also remember Iowa 16, OSU 16, and FSU 16...sigh and MSU 15,..
I was thinking the same thing..OR how many different ways can Michigan sports teams BLOW games
It happens to everyone (atleast in basketball)
Tie game vs. a tournament team on the road and you lose on a set inbounds play. It was a good pass, layup and bad defense.
Appalachian State shouldn't be in the OP's list. Focusing on the blocked field goal is like worrying about a chipped tail light after your car gets totaled.
This is a function of availability bias - you remember the stuff that matters to you, but not the stuff that matters to others.
When you start thinking of miracle plays that go the other way (Alabama's missed PAT in OT in the 2000 Orange Bowl, Dileo Power Slide, Trey Burke bucket vs. Kansas, Denard vs. ND, etc.) it's easier to start seeing it all come out in the wash.