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|27 weeks 5 days ago||Lesson from your Elders||
For those of you too young to remember, MSU is called "Little Brother" (and Mike Hart said it) because they always have, and always will, care about beating Michigan WAY more than Michigan cares about beating them. Watching MSU unravel every year after the Michigan game is a time-honored tradition; the only reason to note MSU's existence at all is to make sure we don't slip up and lose to them, thus having to hear them consider themselves equal until we put the universe back in order again.
The last four years have been excruciating to watch Michigan fans obsess over MSU; we won; now we can stop. On to OSU and the other big boys that matter. Return MSU to the irrelevance they deserve - they're a 5-5 team that obsesses way too much about their better, more established in-state rival. Don't give them extra publicity/attention and validate them any further - what annoys them the most is us ignoring them.
THAT is what little brother is all about.
|29 weeks 4 days ago||Student Section||
The first I remember was 2002 Penn State (first Big House overtime game, a win) - I have a picture from the newpaper with players up in the stands posing with the student section in celebration (I was in the 2nd row for it).
Coming over after every d*mned home win was definitely a RichRod thing.
|32 weeks 3 days ago||Michigan 45, Illinois 6||
Michigan 45, Illinois 6
|45 weeks 2 days ago||2006||
We won 11 games in 2006. Also had a two-loss season in 1999.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||History repeats itself||
Early in the century there were many who questioned whether football could (or should) survive, and as the injuries (and deaths) continued piling up, something had to be changed, right? The century I'm referring to, of course, was the 20th.
Teddy Roosevelt as president helped bring in the era of the NCAA, eliminate unsportsmanlike play, etc., in the first few years of the 1900s. I think we'll see more evolution and protection, but just as Mark Twain's death, reports of football's [imminent] demise have been greatly exaggerated.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Michigan obsession||
Michigan losing builds their psyche and outlook on life at least as much as MSU winning anything. "Ann Arbor is a Whore." The James Madison political science program is renowned worldwide (vs. reality of unknown outside East Lansing). Obsession with their mascot. The only reason Michigan has a better reputation is historical, bias of elites.
Really - it's the entire "We're just as good as Michigan, who cares about them" strain - evidencing obsession while trying to deny it. That lack of self-awareness permeates the rest.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Non-stat||
There have been single-digit presidents in that 60 year period, and you're also starting your data set after the most recent positive example, which skews your data. It would be extremely improbable, even with a huge swath of UM grads who are qualified, that we'd hire a UM grad to run the school in that time period. Having been involved in the past, it's a complex matrix to select one, but in the end, we look for the best fit available to push Michigan forward.
By way of example - those who think like you (Michigan Man for Michigan) would have hired Joe White in 2002 instead of Mary Sue Coleman; his tenure at Illinois ended in scandal and MSC has led Michigan to new heights. Whenever a group limits its options in arbitrary ways, it's going to (over time) get sub-optimal outcomes. Thank goodness that's not Michigan!
|1 year 9 weeks ago||1999||
When I was an incoming freshman in 1999 (Tom Brady senior season), tickets were $85.00...for the six-game season ($14.17/game). Inflation has not gone up THAT much in 13 years.
|1 year 27 weeks ago||100% agree||
"Go Blue" would catch on (a key necessity - "Hoke Smash" will not and is gimmicky) and would be infinitely classier. Come on, students, let's get it done!
|1 year 27 weeks ago||Agree with sentiment||
I agree with your sentiment, but (1) it's spelled "privilege" and (2) Wisconsin is not one of the nicer places to visit for a road game in the B1G. In order of hostility, I'd rank them:
2. MSU (for Michigan fans, at least)
4. Penn State
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Exactly.||
If they manage how they do some of this stuff a bit tighter, we'll tolerate the not-so-bad parts and embrace the pieces we really like (bigger video boards probably upset some blue-hairs, but plenty love them, for instance). Nothing will please everybody. I get the sense the athletic department is "trying and adapting" with some of this stuff - the ITBH seemed to end a bit earlier when the team took the field this last week (differing from SDSU, when it rolled right through the team hitting the banner) -- maybe they'll eventually remove it, and they're just experimenting a bit with the "when" and "how".
|1 year 33 weeks ago||Survey = backup for Brandon||
Most on here are interpreting the data wrong. Brandon's marketing (roughly meant to encompass the various music piped in, Pop Evil track, thoughts of a mascot, etc.) isn't trying to find "what do a majority of people want" - with a fanbase as large as ours, that's impossible. What he's trying to do is (a) preserve the central draw (this is MICHIGAN, MClub Banner, band, etc.) while (b) adding new elements that'll draw and entice NEW audiences.
I don't necessarily agree this is the right path, FWIW - the Michigan gameday experience is unique and I'd like to see it preserved. That being said, from a "growing the brand" perspective, these actions can be disliked by 80% of the fanbase, but if it doesn't damper their attachment to the brand, then strengthening the bonds of the 20% who do like it is worth it.
There has to be a breaking point, and clearly some things are in direct conflict (ITBH during the team taking the field, for instance - that is in direct conflict with The Victors while they take the field). Other than those few places, however, it's possible to both pipe in Neil Diamond and Pop Evil and have the MMB playing Varsity.
Just saying - strong numbers "against" don't necessarily mean the marketing department is "ignoring the numbers" when they're making these decisions. Given Brandon's experience at Dominos, I'd be shocked if they didn't have a much more nuanced idea of the brand and how to build it than we do.
|1 year 34 weeks ago||Dumbest thread ever?||
Two schools with red/white playing each other isn't exactly news. I mean, Wisconsin/Indiana and Nebraska/Oklahoma do this every year...?
|1 year 35 weeks ago||Blame||
While I'm sure that to some degree everyone involved could have done better to make Lloyd Carr's retirement work more smoothly for Michigan, as the guy inside following it, knowing what he knows now, who does Bacon blame for the failure of the Rodriguez era? Bill Martin for conducting a search that found someone that "didn't fit"? Rodriguez for not adapting? RichRod for trying to win a MANBALL conference with waterbugs? RichRod's horrible luck with DCs? Michigan's fanbase for not giving him the support needed to recruit/weather storms? The media/Freep for making the path uphill more difficult? Lloyd Carr and his former players for not coming back and helping RichRod garner the power of Schembechler hall? Dave Brandon for having too short a leash?
So many possibilities, and many probably complicit - but at the heart of it, what does John U. Bacon believe was the central catalyst/cause that was irreconcilable and caused the Lloyd to Whomever transition not to work the way we would have wanted?
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Always||
Always went nose tackle up the middle for the insta-sack.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Thanks||
Thanks, this is how it was intended - Schiano hit a certain angle, but I thought this data was part of the story, too.
|2 years 18 weeks ago||Upward trajectory?||
The point of the above analysis is that we lost more games by double digits in year three than we did in years one or two; that's not upward trajectory. While some simple analysis (# of wins, yardage of offense) may have indicated progress, this post is a counter-point to that perspective.
Also - most Rodriguez teams had a history of a "2nd-year leap" (see: WVU year two), which was always promised to us here - first in year two, then in year three ("discounting" the hole of year one, which I thought was disingenuous). It never came, and these numbers/data show that it got worse this year instead of better - our points for/against were actually better in 2009, and we had 50% fewer "bad" losses.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Spot-on re Harbaugh||
Were it not for seeing what Jim Harbaugh did at SD and now at Stanford, combined with his iron-clad understanding of our rivalries, tradition, positioning, etc., I would be 100% on the "keep RichRod for year 4, it's only fair" bandwagon. He IS all of those things, though, and a coach this seemingly hand-made for the Michigan coaching job does not, and likely will not, come along very often, maybe not again in our lifetimes (other than Mike Hart someday??).
If Brandon makes the move it's probably not fair to Rich, but a fair decision isn't the same thing as the right decision. There are positive and negative impications to all major decisions at that level, which is why Brandon's the guy making them. He could very well feel Rich has done well in three years but still justify bringing Harbaugh home.
Either way, Go Blue! Thanks as always for the reasoned analysis, Brian.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||I'm pretty sure||
Those are also the two best selling brands in each conference, FWIW - featuring Michigan and Florida prominently for advertising isn't exactly something out of the ordinary.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Idiotic||
How big of an idiot are you? Talking about expected performance v. the schedule next year is one thing, but trying to say that Tressel can't win national championships or bowl games is ludicrous. OSU has owned the Fiesta Bowl for the last decade, won the national championship in 2002/03 and won the Rose Bowl last year against this year's #1, Oregon. I mean, wtf?
I put this in the same category as the poster a couple days ago who said that Michigan shouldn't go back to the days of losing bowl games all the time like we did in the '80s; calling out Tressel and Bo as not enough for your program are surefire signs that you're a mouth-breather who doesn't know squat about college football.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Gator||
With Iowa's end of season collapse relative to expectations (while we also collapsed, it was more or less expected), and our fanbase not having been to a bowl game since Henne vs. Tebow, I'm going to assume it's Outback = PSU, Gator = Michigan. My buddy in Iowa says the fans around there couldn't care less about their bowl game this year (despite their reputation for traveling).
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Agree that W/Ls contribute, but||
Fewer players than Illinois, Purdue and Northwestern? 3rd from the bottom doesn't equate with our W/L, and if our offense is "great" and defense "horrible," why are we the only ones recognizing it? It seems to me that the coaches recognized Denard for being a one-man show.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||See, the thing||
about football is, though, that "offensive ability" is not independent of little things like "turnovers" and "age" - it's about putting points on the board. A young team should have more variability (sometimes losing to crap teams, sometimes beating good ones) instead of being consistently outclassed by good teams and marginally defeating bad ones.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||Tate's Loyalty||
Will get rewarded when he becomes the starter in Jim Harbaugh's offense in 2011 (zing!).
Legit question, though - who's the likely starter in the event Jim Harbaugh is the MIchigan coach next year? I am NOT assuming he will OR calling for RichRod's head by asking this question, just thinking through an option. I actually think Tate's probably the guy (Harbaugh recruited him for Stanford, more traditional QB, etc.).
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Am I misremembering?||
"the wheels coming off" was not a "done deal." Michigan had just completed their previous campaign by defeating a Heisman Trophy-winning Tim Tebow's Florida in the Capital One Bowl when RichRod took over. In nine months, he had us losing to Toledo.
I'd even mind it less if the Defense had improved from 2008; they got worse in 2009, and (shockingly, due to the history of the whole thing) even worse now in 2010. Blame coordinator changes, but RichRod hired the first guy, fired him, hired the 2nd guy, and has made both work with his assistants from WVA. Blame recruiting, but this is RichRod's 3rd year, meaning even starting from scratch we should have at least ONE sophomore contributing (let alone a junior?) - so that's on him, too. Injuries aren't preventable, but he's not the only coach to deal with those. Obi Ezeh hasn't improved since his 2007 campaign. Who on defense has? This is ultimately the head coach's job - it was forgivable in 2008, questionable in 2009 and unexplainable (other than responsibility by him) in 2010.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Also this.||
Jim Harbaugh, was one of the most prolific passer in Michigan history, but that isn't what gets him on this list.
His love and devotion to Michigan football was Jim's greatest asset.
Jim grew up a Michigan fan. Maize and Blue was in his blood, as his father was an assistant for Schembechler from '72-'79.
While his father coached at Michigan, little Jim carried out his duties as the ball boy at practices and games.
He loved Michigan so much as a child he would stay up on Friday nights and listen to recordings of Bob Ufer and memorize all the words. He lived for Michigan.
After his sophomore year of high school his family moved from Ann Arbor to California. Jim wasn't recruited by many big schools except Wisconsin and Arizona and several small schools.
It was when one special offer came, that was when he knew where he was going. That special offer was from Michigan. Once he got that it was all decided.
He returned to Ann Arbor and the rest was history.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||It's Home.||
In Bo's 1989 book "Bo," Bo said the following:
"I guess I always knew Jim would come to Michigan. When we finally recruited him out of high school, we waited until the last minute. He came into my office, sat down, and I said, 'Jim, I want you here.' He nodded. That was that."
The kid grew up playing at Ann Arbor pioneer, his dad was on Bo's staff, and he guaranteed and backed up a victory against OSU. He would have a fellow "M" letterman as his AD and all the resources in the world (infinitely more than Stanford). I guess it boils down to asking yourself, "if the biggest stage in the world is the one I grew up on, and I could return to it and be simultaneously the hometown hero and the big-stage hero, would I?" I don't know how many people can turn that one down, regardless of profession.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||I'm not asking him to beat an undefeated team.||
Beating a team that only lost five times would be nice, though. Even vaunted I-AA UMass (who we were all claiming was one of the "better teams in FCS" just like App. St., or better than, earlier this year) is 6-5. Just read that sentence - a team took us to 42-37 in the Big House that is 6-5 in FBS. In year three. With our "unstoppable" offense.
Our unstoppable offense put up 10, 7 and 0 points in the first halves of each of the MSU, Iowa and Wisconsin games, too, BTW. Statistics don't tell any story completely (final score, tons of yards, etc.).
|2 years 26 weeks ago||Exactly||
If we're "right there" or just "inconsistent," then we should be winning SOME of these, or at least, one? My challenge to the blind followers: what performance this year (complete performance) makes you think we can turn the corner with this group of coaches?
Denard is an amazing talent, but the record he broke today was an Air Force QB's record (which most of us didn't know existed until this year, if we're honest). Denard is also the first 1,500/2,000 QB, which is great, but really, he's also the first 1,500/1 QB. Denard being good at football is not reason enough to keep the coach. If so, you'll never make a change.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||My point is that||
even Wisconsin 2008 isn't "signature" - that team ended up being mediocre, too.